Bergy_Berg Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Why? Namor literally has every single advantage. He has flight in a zero gravity environment, he is much faster, and a fair ways stronger. How could Morlun possibly win?Morlun can fight nonstop for an extended period of time, and has an extreme resistance to physical damage. Namor loses power over time if he isn't in contact with water. Namor can't generate more punishment than the entire Wakandan military, so this is going to be a very long fight that Morlun wins. So what if Morlun were draining Namor and got shocked by a blast that hurt Hulk? He would only try to drain Namor once he was defenseless. As in, Namor is unconscious. The scenario you just suggested won't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest thanosisawesome Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Morlun can fight nonstop for an extended period of time, and has an extreme resistance to physical damage. Namor loses power over time if he isn't in contact with water. Namor can't generate more punishment than the entire Wakandan military, so this is going to be a very long fight that Morlun wins. He would only try to drain Namor once he was defenseless. As in, Namor is unconscious. The scenario you just suggested won't happen.It isn't going to be a long fight, It will be a quick brutal fight. All I ask is, show me Morlun fighting anyone on the level of Thor, Sentry, Hulk, ect. So far Morlun has fought a ten-tonner and the military. And contrary to common belief, Namor doesn't curl into fetal position when he is out of water for a couple minutes. He has beaten the tougher opponents and shown the better feats. How come Namor made Spider-Man his bitch when they fought, and Morlun barely beat Spider-Man? In most fights, the stronger, faster, more skilled warrior wins. That is what Namor is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Void Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Spiderman said Morlun was the toughest person he ever faced. Morlun appeared in less comics compared to Namor. So of course Namor would fight top tier people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest thanosisawesome Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Spiderman said Morlun was the toughest person he ever faced. Morlun appeared in less comics compared to Namor. So of course Namor would fight top tier people.But we don't get to assume that Morlun could fight Thor, and there is no evidence that he could. Morlun's feats are nothing compared to Namor's. We have more to go on for Namor, and he holds every advantage in this fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bergy_Berg Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 How come Namor made Spider-Man his bitch when they fought, and Morlun barely beat Spider-Man? In most fights, the stronger, faster, more skilled warrior wins. That is what Namor is.This?Spidey is such a bitch. As for fighting Thor, there won't be any water to run to against Morlun.And, of course, we only have three comics with Morlun to go off of. One where Morlun took on and easily bested Spiderman+Ezekial, and Spiderman was so desperate he risked suicide to beat him. Another where Morlun kills Spidey. And finally, one where he tanked missiles and laser cannons, and was only "beat" by being sent to battle the never ending hordes of Limbo.So, if Namor were a totem, and had the foreknowledge to goad Morlun into feeding, then Namor might win. Of course, he is neither a totem nor does he have that knowledge. And I know Namor can't send Morlun off to another dimension either. Namor has nothing he can possibly do that will even phase Morlun, and after a couple of days of the two going at it(if Namor could possibly last that long) Namor is going to be so tired that even Aunt May could punch his sorry face into the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bergy_Berg Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 And to put Morlun's strength into perspective, Titanium alloy has a tensile strength of around 200,000 psi. Adamentium is a much tougher material.Although I'm nowhere near as good with all this sciency stuff as someone like Dinsdale, I believe this means we can put Morlun's strength around at least 100 tons. I don't believe Namor has that strength advantage anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Void Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 But we don't get to assume that Morlun could fight Thor, and there is no evidence that he could. Morlun's feats are nothing compared to Namor's. We have more to go on for Namor, and he holds every advantage in this fight.How do you know? Like I said again Morlun appeared in less comics compared to Namor. Morlun is like a D list character in Marvel. Like Berg said Namor has nothing that can even phase him. IIRC Morlun was able to survive a vibranium bomb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 If he actually had that much strength, it'd mean Spiderman should've exploded apart from his best hit. -.- Also - any instance of Adamantium being broken apart in Marvel Canon are Secondary Adamantium - i.e. not overall an impressive feats since many characters have done it. :/ Namor still physically outclasses Morlun until he weakens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bergy_Berg Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 If he actually had that much strength, it'd mean Spiderman should've exploded apart from his best hit. -.- Also - any instance of Adamantium being broken apart in Marvel Canon are Secondary Adamantium - i.e. not overall an impressive feats since many characters have done it. :/ Namor still physically outclasses Morlun until he weakens.Actually, even secondary stuff is a lot strong than titanium, so that's still a fair assessment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Void Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 I don't know about Morlun being a class 100 tonner, but I still believe he can take some of Namors blows. Especially when there is no water for Namor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Actually, even secondary stuff is a lot strong than titanium, so that's still a fair assessment. So aside breaking secondary adamantium which seemingly everyone has done occasionally (Even the hulk's broken secondary adamantium with just his face in future imperfect), do you have anything else that suggests his being class 100? Because aside your speculation, there's nothing else that suggests so. Also the entire Wakadan military firing everything at Morlun doesn't equate to being superior to what Namor can output - it's not as if every single little thing all at the same time hit him at once - from the scans, most were misses and some hits. -.- Namor still has the physical superiority and if he's trying his damnedest, he's going to conk Morlun out just as he's done Hulk, Thing, and many others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Spider-man Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 The area favors Morlun actually. He feeds off of cosmic particles or some sh** like that. I don't know if that is true. But Namor I got love for you but you're S.O.L on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest thanosisawesome Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 The area favors Morlun actually. He feeds off of cosmic particles or some sh** like that. I don't know if that is true. But Namor I got love for you but you're S.O.L on this one.Unfortunately, that's completely untrue. He only feeds of totems. Tell me how a guy who can't fly has an advantage over one who can in zero gravity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigballerju Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 I have never seen Morlun feed off cosmic particles or anything like that. He also is not in Namor's range physically. People are just assuming Morlun is in Namor's power level. Namor at his most powerful for this slot would kill Morlun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dinsdale Piranha Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Okay, to break it down. Namor is very strong, he's fast, skilled and aggressive. We know a lot about his abilities because he's been around for a long time and has been tested in many situations. He's beaten the Hulk on several occasions, though always in the water (IIRC.) The fight with Thor that's been mentioned is (I think) the one from Submariner #59. I also remember him fighting Thor in Invaders #33. If you read the full issues, it's clear in each case that Thor is more powerful and would eventually win, but Namor gives him a rough time. Namor actually beat Hercules in Avengers #40, using the Cosmic Cube to keep his body moist. He's vastly more powerful than Spiderman. We don't know whether he's stronger than Morlun because we don't know how strong Morlun is. We have very limited data to evaluate his strength. He hit Spider-man and Spidey said it was the hardest blow he'd ever taken, even harder than he'd been hit by the Hulk or Thor. The author's intent is clearly to establish Morlun as an unbeatable threat, but it's not clear what that means in a real assessment of his strength. I agree that if Hulk or Thor ever got in a full force punch, Spider-man would be a red and blue smear, so he's probably comparing Morlun's punch to punches that are much less than Thor and the Hulk's best. Tearing the adamantium net is easier to evaluate, but still very hard because we don't know the tensile strength of secondary adamantium. It does put him up there because only Marvel's top tier in strength have ever done this. The closest thing to this feat I can think of happened in the Fantastic Four in the 70s (I don't remember the issue #). The FF was in an alternate world where they met their counterparts. In this world Reed has become the thing and Johnny was a cosmic hockey player called Gaard (yeah, really...) Ben was shackled with adamantium cables that he was not able to break until the Reed-Thing somehow forged a mental link with him, doubling his strength. Based on this, I'd guess that Morlun is quite a bit stronger than the Thing, possibly twice as strong, though that's hard to know because we haven't ever seen his limits. Namor is stronger than the Thing as well, but it's not that big a difference. When they fight on land, they seem evenly matched in strength and Namor wins because of speed. Underwater he's clearly stronger. I haven't ever seen Namor break adamantium, then again I haven't ever seen him try to break it and fail. The closest I can think of were the bars of a mysterious metal that he couldn't bend in the Latverian Embassy in Submariner #47. Namor was not at his peak in that issue, BTW. He had amnesia following the shock of seeing his father murdered and had been out of water for several days. Could Namor at full strength tear an adamantium net like Morlun did? It seems likely, though I could see a writer going either way on that. My best guess is that Morlun and Namor are in the same general category of strength. Spiderman beat Morlun but from what I've read it was only after mysteriously transforming into some kind of powerful spider-human creature. The only thing we can reason from this is that Morlun and Namor are both more powerful than a normal Spiderman. The attack in Wakanda shows that Morlun has a very high level of durability. Again, the obvious purpose of this is the "oh shit" factor, making him look unstoppable. Namor is very durable but he never just stands there and lets people shoot him like this. Morlun might have the edge here, but it's iffy. Morlun can't fly in space. Namor can's fly in space either. He flies in earth's atmosphere using his little ankle wings (when he temporarily lost those wings, he couldn't fly at all.) Wings don't work when there's no atmosphere. They also don't work when they're covered up by a spacesuit. Both these guys are going to struggle to get around in this environment. Morlun can't drain Namor because Namor's not any king of totemic character. This looks to be a physical fight only. Namor can's survive in space if his suit gets shredded. It's unclear whether Morlun could survive or not. Namor's not at his peak strength here. He's still strong but he's far from his natural element. I still don't have a good idea who would win. The problem is that there's so little good information on Morlun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Magnetrex Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Namor has always been a badass, but that's only when he is around water. Since there is no water in outer space, then my vote goes to Morlun at the end of the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest thanosisawesome Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Namor has always been a badass, but that's only when he is around water. Since there is no water in outer space, then my vote goes to Morlun at the end of the day.Since you obviously know nothing about the character, educate yourself.http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t360473.htmlYou might have to read a ways in, but anyone who reads this thread will see that Namor would beat Morlun with a little bit of difficulty. Secondly, there could in fact be H2O deposits in the asteroids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dinsdale Piranha Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Not really. Any water you'd find on an asteroid-sized body would be infinitesimal. It would also be in the form of ice because liquid water evaporates instantly in the vacuum of space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dinsdale Piranha Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Though he's pretty much a badass anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bergy_Berg Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Dinsdale, I don't want to quote your entire long post, but thanks for it. I think it's a pretty fair assessment of the characters here.Strength for Morlun is somewhat debatable, as an exact number is nigh impossible to figure out from his appearances, but he's obviously monstrously strong. What can't be debated is his durability, seeing as Morlun withstood the massive onslaught Wakanda threw at him with incredible ease.I think the real deciding factor will be endurance. Both characters can withstand a massive amount of punishment. However, Namor begins to lose power when he's outside of water for extended periods. Morlun is never going to slow down, he'll be going full tilt while Namor slowly loses his strength and durability. As I said earlier, after a long fight, Morlun wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Spider-man Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Thanks Dinsdale, now I have clearer knowledge on Morlun, I never took it in to consideration of what Spider-man meant about Morluns punches. I mean if Hulk is fighting Spider-man he'll most likely hold back on his strength while if Thor was fighting Morlun he'd probably say. "Ai, Morlun's punches stings, not hurt. But stings. He is far from Hulk's strength."So for a street level character Spider-man probably took a lot lesser punch than Namor or Thor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest thanosisawesome Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Dinsdale, I don't want to quote your entire long post, but thanks for it. I think it's a pretty fair assessment of the characters here.Strength for Morlun is somewhat debatable, as an exact number is nigh impossible to figure out from his appearances, but he's obviously monstrously strong. What can't be debated is his durability, seeing as Morlun withstood the massive onslaught Wakanda threw at him with incredible ease.I think the real deciding factor will be endurance. Both characters can withstand a massive amount of punishment. However, Namor begins to lose power when he's outside of water for extended periods. Morlun is never going to slow down, he'll be going full tilt while Namor slowly loses his strength and durability. As I said earlier, after a long fight, Morlun wins.Namor is much stronger. He throws tanks at 747's on land and causes earthquakes that destroy superstructures by striking the ground. When has Morlun ever taken a blow the strength of Thor's hammer to the head, and immediately got up? Never. Morlun is going to slow down when Namor slams his fist through his skull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bergy_Berg Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Namor is much stronger. He throws tanks at 747's on land and causes earthquakes that destroy superstructures by striking the ground. When has Morlun ever taken a blow the strength of Thor's hammer to the head, and immediately got up? Never. Morlun is going to slow down when Namor slams his fist through his skull.I can't show you Morlun taking s hot from Thor, but I can show you Namor getting knocked out like a punk.Didn't even use the hammer. Can Namor hit harder than a nuke? Because if not, I really doubt he'll be punching through Morlun's skull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest thanosisawesome Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 I can't show you Morlun taking s hot from Thor, but I can show you Namor getting knocked out like a punk.Didn't even use the hammer. Can Namor hit harder than a nuke? Because if not, I really doubt he'll be punching through Morlun's skull.I can show Namor easily taking a shot from behind.namorfeat367wt.gif How did that go for him? Here is another fight with Thor. namorvsthor13er.gifnamorvsthor28gf.gifnamorvsthor34rr.gifnamorvsthor41dv.gifnamorvsthor57vi.gif Now, Namor does gain the upper hand under water, but he is just as strong out of water as in for the first several minutes of the fight. Oh, and Dinsdale, here Namor is completely replenished by several drops. namorfeat177fq.gif .......Are you joking? Of course he hits harder than a nuke. I have used this feat before, but he shattered the crimson bands of cytorrak. You know, the ones that restrained Juggernaut? He knocked out Genis-Vell in 2 punches. While being restrained by Magneto, he brought his fists down on the ground, shaking an entire island and toppling a gigantic magnet. Here's the feat. namorfeat255ii.gif Here Namor does an 160 ton pushup. namorfeat894jt.gif Captain America's shield is made from vibranium, and can absorb kinetic energy. Since Captain America grunts in this scan, the shield couldn't handle the energy. To put this in perspective, Captain America has been able to stand up and laugh of a hail of punches and heat vision blasts from Gladiator. The superman level guy. namorfeat973kv.gif And if you want to talk about durability, show Morlun shrugging off blast from Iron-Man, who can carve up mountains, or holding Human Torch (with difficulty) as he goes nova. Sorry about the long post, but I like facts and evidence as opposed to rampant speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bergy_Berg Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 I can show Namor easily taking a shot from behind.namorfeat367wt.gif Yes, his cry of pain is most intimidating. How did that go for him? Here is another fight with Thor. namorvsthor13er.gifnamorvsthor28gf.gifnamorvsthor34rr.gifnamorvsthor41dv.gifnamorvsthor57vi.gif Now, Namor does gain the upper hand under water, but he is just as strong out of water as in for the first several minutes of the fight. You have once again proved the fish-man has the advantage in the ocean. Congrats. Oh, and Dinsdale, here Namor is completely replenished by several drops. namorfeat177fq.gif Vacuum of space. No water. .......Are you joking? Of course he hits harder than a nuke. I have used this feat before, but he shattered the crimson bands of cytorrak. You know, the ones that restrained Juggernaut? He knocked out Genis-Vell in 2 punches. While being restrained by Magneto, he brought his fists down on the ground, shaking an entire island and toppling a gigantic magnet. Here's the feat. namorfeat255ii.gif If, while restrained, he was able to cause a small earthquake, would he be able to cause a city leveling one while unrestrained? Seems logical that he could, in which case that feat definitely breaks anchor rules. Here Namor does an 160 ton pushup. namorfeat894jt.gif There, Namor plants his hands in the ground and is still stuck in the ground. Captain America's shield is made from vibranium, and can absorb kinetic energy. Since Captain America grunts in this scan, the shield couldn't handle the energy. To put this in perspective, Captain America has been able to stand up and laugh of a hail of punches and heat vision blasts from Gladiator. The superman level guy. namorfeat973kv.gif I'm sure Namor is the only character to ever cause that shield problems.Oh wait http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120405004613/marveldatabase/images/0/0f/Steven_Rogers_%28Earth-616%29_Scott_Summers_%28Earth-616%29_Avengers_vs._X-Men_Vol_1_1.png And if you want to talk about durability, show Morlun shrugging off blast from Iron-Man, who can carve up mountains, or holding Human Torch (with difficulty) as he goes nova. Sorry about the long post, but I like facts and evidence as opposed to rampant speculation. This may seem a little broken recordish, but I think this scan says a lot for his durability. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/52246/2207297-morlun_36.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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