Indolent Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 He only pinned him underwater - Namor was conscious but he managed to free himself shortly after Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest thanosisawesome Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 Well, unless I'm missing something, Thing isn't winning here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest thanosisawesome Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 Last one, I promise. Any Thing victory over Namor is an out of context feat, jobbing, or PIS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hayesmeister5651 Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 He only pinned him underwater - Namor was conscious but he managed to free himself shortly afterRight, he incapacitated him. The whole fight was pretty even, but Ben ended up defeating him. @Thanos-If Ben who isn't even a 100 ton in strength could over power Namor under water, then what will happen when he fights someone who can match Superman in strength? EDIT: Also, just because you think something is "jobbing or PIS" does not take the validity of what happened. If you were a writer for Marvel, then I'd say you have the authority to make such claim, but you are not. Most people call things "PIS" when it works against their argument, but at the same time will use feats that other fans deem "PIS" to help their argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest thanosisawesome Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 Right, he incapacitated him. The whole fight was pretty even, but Ben ended up defeating him. @Thanos-If Ben who isn't even a 100 ton in strength could over power Namor under water, then what will happen when he fights someone who can match Superman in strength?See above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 If Black Panther who's not even a 10 tonner can overpower Silver Surfer, then what happens when Surfer fights someone who can match Superman in strength? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hayesmeister5651 Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 The scans you posted are 20 years old, where as Avengers VS X Men is a year old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 Queen Veranke: When we invade Earth in our secret invasion we will need to take out the major players. That means Tony Stark, Reed Richards, Robert Reynolds, Namor... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest thanosisawesome Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 The scans you posted are 20 years old, where as Avengers VS X Men is a year old.Isn't that the arc where Iron-Man beats Magneto? Yeah, I thought so. And anyways, I go who battles Thor evenly on land wouldn't get beat by Thing underwater. It's terrible writing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hayesmeister5651 Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 If Black Panther who's not even a 10 tonner can overpower Silver Surfer, then what happens when Surfer fights someone who can match Superman in strength?Ahh yes the number one feat to make the fan made term PIS credible. I was waiting for someone to mention that. People act as if Black Panther bent Surfer over and stuck it in his ass. If something happened and it is canon, it is canon. No amount of whining can change the past. EDIT: Why is it so inconceivable for Iron Man to beat Magneto? DOUBLE EDIT: Let's not turn this into a PIS debate, if you wanna continue it either PM me or take it to the derailment thread. Then again, I don't care enough to change your mind about it anyways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 Oh ho ho, I'm glad you said that Hayes. Now that proves you a hypocrite. "Oh ho ho all those scans that vastly outnumber this one scan are 20 years old, they're not as relevant!" "Canon is canon...if it happened it happened." Haha, what a maroon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 Right, he incapacitated him. The whole fight was pretty even, but Ben ended up defeating him. @Thanos-If Ben who isn't even a 100 ton in strength could over power Namor under water, then what will happen when he fights someone who can match Superman in strength? EDIT: Also, just because you think something is "jobbing or PIS" does not take the validity of what happened. If you were a writer for Marvel, then I'd say you have the authority to make such claim, but you are not. Most people call things "PIS" when it works against their argument, but at the same time will use feats that other fans deem "PIS" to help their argument. Eh, Namor's been proven capable of handing Grimm his ass swiftly and soundly. The fact that Namor has done so and was only pinned underwater instead of actually being defeated outright should speak clearly about the difference in their capabilities. What's more is, Namor let Thing go after he freed himself. Namor was stricken with stupid in his fight in AvX is pretty much a sound fact given all other facts and evidences. Also Thing is capable of lifting past 100 tons As for the Black Panther feat, iirc, the writer apologized for it and agreed to its supidity. What was that argument you made for writers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest thanosisawesome Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 Ahh yes the number one feat to make the fan made term PIS credible. I was waiting for someone to mention that. People act as if Black Panther bent Surfer over and stuck it in his ass. If something happened and it is canon, it is canon. No amount of whining can change the past. EDIT: Why is it so inconceivable for Iron Man to beat Magneto? DOUBLE EDIT: Let's not turn this into a PIS debate, if you wanna continue it either PM me or take it to the derailment thread. Then again, I don't care enough to change your mind about it anyways Magneto is LEAGUES above Iron Man in power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hayesmeister5651 Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 Oh ho ho, I'm glad you said that Hayes. Now that proves you a hypocrite. "Oh ho ho all those scans that vastly outnumber this one scan are 20 years old, they're not as relevant!" "Canon is canon...if it happened it happened." Haha, what a maroon.Cowboys beat the Redskins 20 years ago. They lost to the Redskins twice last year. Next year when they play should we look at the game from 20 years ago, or the one from the previous year? Also something being not as relevant is not the same as something being considered not to happen. No? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 Iron Man defeated Magneto soundly in AvX pretty much due to being immune to his magnetism iirc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 Cowboys beat the Redskins 20 years ago. They lost to the Redskins twice last year. Next year when they play should we look at the game from 20 years ago, or the one from the previous year? Also something being not as relevant is not the same as something being considered not to happen. No? Except you should consider the fact Namor's flat out owned Thing underwater and on land in the past. The fact that Thing was only able to immobilize him underwater still speaks a lot about the difference. It was a victory sure, but that doesn't mean Thing can deliver a swift asskicking. It does mean that it was weird how that happened despite Namor's clear and obvious superiority underwater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 That is a piss poor analogy. Neither Namor nor Thing change rosters, coaches, or stuff like that, which affects performance. Even then, a smart person should consider it all. The one time Thing had a clearly one second pinning on Namor, as well as the numerous times Namor beat downs Grimm and vice versa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hayesmeister5651 Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 Agreed, but a lot can change in 20 years. I never said to ignore the feat, or call it PIS, or pretend it didn't happen. I just think that a feat from last year is more relevant than one that happened 20 years ago. Especially considering how many times writers contradict another ones writing by not following an already established time line.EDIT: They can't change coaches or rosters, that much is true, but their powers have fluctuated over the years, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 No, not really. Namor's only gotten more powerful since. The Thing has too but he's still leagues beneath Namor. It just means the likelihood of what's happened then is greater to happen again. Though the difference is Namor didn't get a sound asskicking but pinned in place which is different then the circumstances Namor puts Thing through, i.e. a swift and sound asskicking. If it was a fight to determine their physical superiority... who do you think should win? This is precisely why Thing would have had to pinned him though arguments could be made that it should've been impossible... more correct to say highly unlikely but the point's made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest thanosisawesome Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 Cowboys beat the Redskins 20 years ago. They lost to the Redskins twice last year. Next year when they play should we look at the game from 20 years ago, or the one from the previous year? Also something being not as relevant is not the same as something being considered not to happen. No?That's a horrible analogy. Namor isn't a sports team who gets new players every couple years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hayesmeister5651 Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 Ya know, I agree with you and Nova. I just enjoy going against the crowd Too many people have the same answers on a debating forum. Someone has to be the guy with the opposite view point. To quote DMX "All my mother *vulgarity*in life I've been a devils advocate, mad niggas never even knew the devil had a kid." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest thanosisawesome Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 After re-watching the Mags fight, Magneto kind of let him win. The fight was still fairly poorly written. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSkillz Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 Eh, if Lobo was paid to frag this bastich, it's over. The Main Man always delivers, after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 After re-watching the Mags fight, Magneto kind of let him win. The fight was still fairly poorly written. Not really - I mean there's ways Magneto might conceivably win but Tony Stark is pretty much immune being manipulated, can withstand Magneto's high end attacks due to his shielding, etc. Though I can see him spacedumping Tony into the sun or configuring a high tech equipment to hack his armor and whatnot. Multitudes of ways to go about it if he prepped but in a straight up fight out of the blue like what we saw it's highly likely Stark would win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comic_book_fan Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 No, not really. Namor's only gotten more powerful since. The Thing has too but he's still leagues beneath Namor. It just means the likelihood of what's happened then is greater to happen again. Though the difference is Namor didn't get a sound asskicking but pinned in place which is different then the circumstances Namor puts Thing through, i.e. a swift and sound asskicking. If it was a fight to determine their physical superiority... who do you think should win? This is precisely why Thing would have had to pinned him though arguments could be made that it should've been impossible... more correct to say highly unlikely but the point's made.the thing was never leagues beneath namor he was always right there with him in strength the main advantage namor had was his speed and flight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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