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  1. Hi all I was just wondering what everyone's favorite movies where to the following genera and sub genera. My purpose in this is to find out some good movies that I haven't seen, so feel free to also name movies that you thought were worth watching even if they aren't your favorite. Also, if you can think of any other sub genera of fantasy let me know. I'll let a few people post first before I post my own list. I don't want to take all the good choices, because lets face it, there is a certain amount of joy one gets from bringing to another's attention a story that you love. FANTASY favorite all time fantasy move: Any movie falling into one of the following sub genera or any other type of fantasy setting is allowed High Fantasy: -Non-human sentient beings are possible (elves, goblins, ect..) -Magic is possible and probable, but not necessary -Story usually revolves around your basic "good" vs "evil" story, though again not every time -Examples: LotR, Willow, Dungeons & Dragons Historical Fantasy (Fiction Included): -Has some sort of historical bases of no later than the Renaissance: setting, characters, events. -Examples: Braveheart, Rob Roy,King Arthur (2004), 13th Warrior (although its arguable) Pre-Fantasy: -Anything that takes place before the dark ages: Roman, Greek, Egyptian, ect... -Examples: 300, I Claudius, Rome Modern Fantasy: -A movie mostly set in modern times -Some fantasy (not scifi not superhero) element (magic, sword fighting) -Examples: Highlander, Dresden Files, Buffy, I may add some sci fi ones later.
  2. Yes, Saruman is a demi god in human form, although subject to all the weaknesses of humans. In this setup, Saruman had time to prepare anything he wanted. He also appears to know at least the basics of what he is getting into. Given this, I don't see how he could lose, when the Prince is caught without any preparation time or foreknowledge of his opponent.
  3. To be honest the Samurai is going to kill the Ninja with his bow 9 times out of 10. All he has to do is stand in such a place where he can make several shots before the Ninja gets to him. The Ninja's Shuriken cannot compare. It would be like running down a long hallway at a person with a gun. That being said, if the Ninja did get close enough to use mid range weapons, then he would have the advantage, because he has two weapons that are very good at distracting and entangling. The Samurai is basically left with his Naginata, which at least still has a reliable range advantage, but it would quickly be tangled and would have to be abandoned. The Samurai's other two weapons would be almost impossible to use with so little footing.
  4. Just making sure your alive. : )

  5. Doesn't Lain basically become God at the end of the series? This line comes from the wiki: "In the end, the viewer sees Lain realizing, after much introspection, that she has absolute power over everyone's mind and over reality itself." As powerful as Neo is, he cannot claim to have control over everyone's minds and not "absolute" control over reality. Neo cannot win this. I doubt that there are many who can beat Lain. After all, she can simply think her opponents out of existence.
  6. I agree that Kenshin will take this. I liked the match well enough. I feel like it is a little one sided, but I don't really have any reason other than Kenshin is one of the top tier swordsman in terms of skill. However, I'm not so sure Kuchiki's Zanpakutou is the ideal match for Kenshin. I think he would be better off with something that retains it's sword form so he can fully utilize his training with some kind of power that would complement is incredible speed. I will think on it.
  7. If Shingi was able to actually move and pull Rei into the eva then I think he would snap out of his emo state first. Usually when Shingi is in full emo mode, he won't even bother to move or do anything but sit and cry or whatever. This, combined with the fact that Asuka and Misato were killed, and that Rei is there to logically tell him what to do will spur Shingi into action. PS. Thanks for the Neon match. I don't see enough of those.
  8. These other events do exist (cutting the power, using the elevator, escaping from the cell), but your attributing them to conditioning and I'm attributing them to a basic understanding of the action. There is no proof either way. Concerning the poll. Aren't polls how we decide everything in CBUB like all the matches and tournaments? Why should this topic be the exception to the norm? I too disagree with the results sometimes, but that is simply one of the flaws of the system. Also, I was trying to be civil, but your comment about how nobody backed up their opinions was rude and ignorant. If we haven't given you a single good reason in over two pages of discussion then why are you still responding? If you didn't have good points then I certainly would not have bothered responding, but you do so I continue the discussion. I am going to make this a poll, but before I do why don't we each write up a closing argument and pm it to a third party to be posted at the same time. That way we can't see what the other wrote before hand and cannot edit it after. I will ask Skirmisher to do this if that is acceptable to you. You can even have the last word. I won't respond to whatever you say about my latest posts.
  9. I have actually. Pavlov and his conditioning reflex. I still don't buy that conditioning is what randomly allowed the aliens to cut the power from the right building. If aliens pick up conditioning so easily, then why don't you see them picking up a gun and pulling the trigger (which they certainly have seen enough) or any other activity they may have watch the humans perform before killing everyone. Also, it is safe to assume that nobody was actively imprinting these conditions in the xenos, and therefore (if what you say is true) the xenos learned this conditioning on their own. Why would the xenos pick this action up on their own? If they aren't smart enough to understand about power then that action yields no benefit to them that they would know of. If they do just pick up random actions, then why don't we see any other worthless conditioning they might have pick up from humans? I admit that the out of universe argument was a poor one, but you still have no in universe proof that the xenos were able to do these things by accident or conditioning. Maybe they saw those things and are just repeating what they saw, or maybe the saw and understood those things on a basic level. Since these supposed events happened off camera, there is no proof either way. Obviously they did not read the floor plan, that is a silly thing to say and just as obviously they did not know what to do right away. The fact that their first plan in the hallway failed is proof of that. After that they moved on to a different plan. They found the crawlspace by simply looking for it. Finally the difference between the Monkey see method and mine is that they can understand the abstract meaning of what they see on a basic level. You could teach a dog to push a button, but if you then show that same dog a completely different looking/smelling ect. button, the dog would not know to push it for a response. I'm saying that the Xenos are able to understand that a button is a mechanism which initiates some response. The xenos did not just push a button to cut the power from the building. You could teach a prime-ape to cut wires, and I agree that the animal would not understand why he is doing it. He would only understand that he cuts the wire and he is rewarded in some way. What reward do the xenos get for cutting wires if they don't understand that that action also cuts the power? They don't have any eyes, so what do they care if the light is on or off? They might be able to perceive that the electrical currents are gone, depending on the variety of sensory organs that they have, but it doesn't seem like there is any benefit to them, except that it hinders their opponents.
  10. I think this thread could also include the firepower of real ships. I would be interested in seeing more discussion about historical combatants, although my particular period of interest is anything before and including the Renaissance
  11. All species can make stupid mistakes, but it is not possible that these incidents you are referring too are among those mistakes? **********************************' It does not seem likely to me that a consensus is going to be reach through debate. I'm going to make this a poll and let the people vote in true CBUB fashion. I was thinking the options would be: Xenos > Humans Xenos = Humans Humans > Xenos > Dogs Xenos = Dogs Dogs > Xenos If you don't think these options accurately describe your position then of course I would be willing to modify them. Let me know if you have any suggestions.
  12. Dogs can be taught to respond to stimuli in a specific and even complex way. They would not be able to use an elevator after only seeing it used once. Also, a smart dog like a border collie would be able to figure out that hitting a switch causes a certain response, but dumber dogs would not be able to figure out that relationship, and no dog could be able to figure it out after only a few trials. I was just going off what they said in the movie. I assume that they know more about the technology than us, so I ask how we can't go with their opinion. I doubt that "any" shot would detonate the reactor, but even if there was a 1% chance of destroying the whole base, then I would think they should try to avoid it. Especially considering how many bullets those automatic weapons fire. But aren't we using humans (and other animals) as our basis of comparison? It is completely relevant that the IQ standard (humans) that we are comparing the Xenos to, can make the same mistakes. It doesn't prove anything directly about Xeno IQ, but it more accurately sets the scale of measurement that we are using. So your saying that a direct quote from the movie (written by the writer and directed by the director) is false, based only on the possibility (which has no supporting evidence in the movie) that the aliens "might" have picked up a trick in a "monkey see monkey do" method and then randomly picked the right wiring, or an accident? Personally I'm going to go with the dialog specifically included by the writer to relay to us information. Your claiming that Xenos are no smarter than dogs, but then your also claiming that glowing lights are an obvious indicator that there is this energy which allows specific buildings to perform various functions and that this energy can be cut off. I do not see Dogs making this connection.
  13. I said you can't judge them by human standards, not that you can't judge them at all. Your assuming that the Xenomorphs hold each xeno life as precious and I'm saying that they don't. They would throw away as many as it took to kill whatever life stood in front of them. You say this means they are not intelligent, but in all fairness, the plan was seconds away from working. If the xeno's had pushed the assault for a few more seconds then the guns would have run out of ammo and they would have been down the hall. Humans also plan for an acceptable percentage of loss of life. Because of the way Xenomorphs think, this percentage is a lot higher. Also, since they were able to easily route the marines when they did get in, they must have known that they had the numbers to spare. I do agree that in this situation that the Xenomorph method of reasoning did not yield the most effective course of action. However, it is unfair to base your judgment entirely on this one situation. There are situations where human method of reasoning would also yield less effective strategies. How many people would willingly sacrifice themselves for the greater good? Many might say that they would, but I suspect that the stakes would have to be very high for anyone to follow through. But every single Xenomorph would willingly die for the good of the hive, even if that good was not a matter of survival or destruction. Which could have just as easily destroyed everyone as save them. They got lucky that they didn't blow the whole place up There are situations where a human's method of reasoning would look just as bad. A commander might forestall a winning strategy, because pows or other humans that he cares a lot about are at risk; sacrificing the many for the few. A Queen would not allow the needs of the few to come before the needs of the many. This really isn't an answer at all. You basically just reiterated your opinion. The queen had to be smart enough to recognize that the building needed power. There is no obvious indicator of this and would require abstract thought processes. This is way more intelligent than any species on earth except humans. Just so it's clear, I'm not saying that they are as smart has humans. I'm saying that they are not far behind.
  14. Humans suffer from this same stupidity. The good of the hive may not be their primary motivation, or at least not their only primary motivation. In the Anchorpoint essays, the argument is made that Xenomorphs are a result of bioengineering and not a normal evolutionary process on some planet somewhere. You can read that argument here: http://www.anchorpointessays.com/essays.html <About The Essays> A.4 Origins of Internecivus Raptus The essays continue to theorize that since the Xenomorphs were created that they must have been created for a purpose which was probably either warfare or to terraform a planet. Given this, it would be logical for the creators to "program" the species to place at least as much importance on destroying any other forms of life as their own survival. Yes this would be a handicap to them using their full potential to achieve a desirable situation, but the same could be said about human morals or emotions. If one of their primary motivations (alongside the survival of the species) is to kill other forms of life, and you combine that with the hive mentality where they would accept heavier losses than humans, then I would argue that the losses the Xenomorphs sustained would be an acceptable risk in their minds. Is this pattern of thinking as desirable as that of a human? Perhaps not in this situation. In other situations where the mass sacrifice of individuals would result in a desirable outcome, then the human pattern of thinking would be less desirable. My point here is that you can't judge the Xenomorphs with human motivations and standards. They do have different motivations, standards, and methods of thinking. Or it could be that the individual xeno is somewhat intelligent, but always has to follow orders from the Queen. I'm sure military commanders have given orders to units of soldiers that the commander knew was going to result in their death. You might argue that the commander had a purpose in making those orders, distraction or whatever, and that the Aliens did not gain anything from their suicidal action. I would retort with saying that I'm sure not every commander's suicidal orders successfully achieved the task ***************************** Also, if they are so dumb, then how do you account for the way they cut the power to the building? ***************************** Hey Skirmisher, I think this is a question which you would be good at answering. Of course anyone can reply. How many bullets would it take from those machine guns to cause the Xenomorphs to literally explode the way that they do?
  15. Might it be conceivable that the Aliens thought that the machine guns would run out of ammo sooner than they did? After all, they had just fought the marines with their hand-held weapons earlier which must have had shorter clips. Having never encountered mobile turrets like that before, they might assume that the ammo capacity would be the same as that of a marine weapon. or Again they did just get finished owning the marine squad. Perhaps it was hubris that kept them attacking. They underestimated their opponent's technology, because of their earlier victory. Keep in mind that the Xenomorphs will not think like humans. Humans will take cover to save their own lives, because we are more individualistic. Xenomorphs are part of a hive, and they are more willing to sacrifice themselves for the good of the hive. It is also conceivable that it was the Queen who was overconfident. She might have ordered her minions to keep attacking even when they were being cut down, because she assumed that they would get the victory like they did before.
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