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#81 Jaeger Panzer

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Posted 02 June 2010 - 02:45 PM

ND7, Apache vs. Pirate would be a good match up. Apache's used Bow and Arrows, Spears, Shields made from Buffalo hides and routinely carried rifles and guns stolen during raids. They would be very able to handle the Pirates.

This Pirate has a form of a grenade... and a flintlock pistol.

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Posted 02 June 2010 - 03:34 PM

Mh, it was never expanded on as they used their Katanas much more than the arts so that would be expected...

That guy in the platemail in the link you provided on how to kill em runs a bit slower despite being a west point cadet... Samurais are faster still and even so more if this is the ancient Knight where you claim that modern age humans are much better physically than these humans. :D

And the Samurai can hit in these spots as well... and the Kanabo can do the same hitting the guy on the hit as the other end of the sword can do.

a naginta is a wakashizi that's like a katana, only on a stick, correct? They can do the same stabbing... and much more penetrative at that.

1) ???

2) That guy wasn't in Platemail, he was in heavy chainmail. Chainmail is inefficieant as an armour, when deployed by itself as it then has to be thick enough to counter thrusts and such. Which is why Platemail was invented. Thinner plates would actually reduce the weight of the armour.

"While it looks heavy, a full plate armour set could be as light as only 20 kg (45 pounds) if well made of tempered steel. This is less than the weight of modern combat gear of an infantry soldier (usually 25 to 35 kg), and the weight is more evenly distributed. The weight was so well spread over the body that a fit man could run, or jump into his saddle. Modern re-enactment activity has proven it is even possible to swim in armour, though it is difficult. It is possible for a fit and trained man in armour to run after and catch an unarmoured archer, as witnessed in re-enactment combat."

Were as just a Chainmail shirt alone is roughly 10kg, a whole suit might put it well above 20kg to cover legs feet and head.


3a) The thing is thought that the Knight can use his sword more as a tool to get better penetration out of his sword, where a Samurai only has a straight thrust with his sword, something that could easily be deflected or rolled with, as well as only being able to do that kind of move at the swords maximum range. The Knight can effectively preform his armour piercing moves at a much shorter range.

3b) I never talked about the Kanabo because that would really be the Only weapon in the Samurais arsenal that could even stand a chance at killing the Knight effectively. But the weapon is unwieldy and a knight may able to deflect it's blows long enough for the Samurai to try something else.

4) Yes, but most Naginata were forged purposely to have a much greater curve at the end of their blade in order to make Slashing more easier. They were a slashing and chopping weapon, not a thrusting weapon, and the Knights armour is 100% resistant to slashing and (Though not as much) perfect against chopping weapons.

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Posted 02 June 2010 - 03:48 PM

Ah, screw it, lets just say stalemate.

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Posted 02 June 2010 - 03:53 PM

This Pirate has a form of a grenade... and a flintlock pistol.


Flintlock Grenade is a very weak grenade. Apache carried rifles and a six shooter most times. Flintlock is also a weak pistol compared to the six shooter.

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Posted 02 June 2010 - 04:10 PM

Flintlock Grenade is a very weak grenade. Apache carried rifles and a six shooter most times. Flintlock is also a weak pistol compared to the six shooter.

It managed to knock over a knight in heavy armor... the armor saved him. But yeah.

The Apache from Deadliest Warrior, did he use six shooters?

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Posted 02 June 2010 - 04:23 PM

The Priates had guns yes, but they were not like guns now a days. Sometimes they would backfire or not shoot at all. Apache vs Priate would be great.

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Posted 02 June 2010 - 04:24 PM

I agree, lets call this match a stalemate. It could go on and on and on.

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Posted 02 June 2010 - 05:01 PM

The Priates had guns yes, but they were not like guns now a days. Sometimes they would backfire or not shoot at all. Apache vs Priate would be great.



Yeah with the Apache dieing in 15 seconds. Ninje vs Apache would be good.

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Posted 02 June 2010 - 10:04 PM

Final Judgement: With what has been provided and with only one person defending the Samurai asgaint two others who provided very good facts(You did too Eth.) but I have made my mind up and the Knight wins this bout.


Sorry to alll those who wanted the Sam to win..

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Posted 02 June 2010 - 10:20 PM

Yeah with the Apache dieing in 15 seconds. Ninje vs Apache would be good.



The Apaches used stealth, were the greatest and still are the best knife fighters in the world, had long range weapons as well. How do you figure the Apache dying in 15 seconds? When as mentioned before some of those Priate guns would back fire and such.

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Posted 02 June 2010 - 10:22 PM

Final Judgement: With what has been provided and with only one person defending the Samurai asgaint two others who provided very good facts(You did too Eth.) but I have made my mind up and the Knight wins this bout.


Sorry to alll those who wanted the Sam to win..



Its cool. Very understandable.




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