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#1 zig7

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Posted 19 December 2009 - 12:16 AM

Ok first of all sorry about the long wait. Hopefully this is interesting enough to warrant the wait.

As a refresher, here are the missions.

One: Ship vs Ship Dogfight

Both ships start with all their crew members aboard. The fight takes place in an asteroid field much like the one Han Solo escapes into to hide from the star destroyers. In this mission several members may not have much to do. For example, obviously the fighter is not going to be using his hand held weapons against another ship while flying through space. The main things to consider are the skills of the pilots, the gunners, and the mechanics. The cunning of the captains may come into play, however both ships know that the other is there and at this point there isn't much strategizing to do. However if valid arguments are made then fine. The other members of the crew can attempt to help in any logical way. Some may be able to be more gunners or use some other power to help. Being that this match is a dogfight, good characters will not revolt from killing in this scenario.


Two: Ground Fight

Both ships start off on the ground at either end of a large spaceport. The ships cannot see the other from their starting locations and they cannot leave the ground. The spaceport has many buildings and hangers in between the ships. There are people in this spaceport, however if there are any obvious signs of fighting then they all run and hide. The objective is to either blow up, or board and take over the other person's ship. The ship will generally be locked unless someone with access is going in or coming out. Identity is confirmed by both biological and a ��‚��“password��‚�� system. The lock can be hacked by someone capable of computer like functions, but they must be at the ship. It cannot be done by remote. Secondly the door can be forced open. This takes a variable amount of time decided by weapons. The ship can also be blown up. Each team has enough explosives to attempt this once. It takes 5 mins to set the bomb and the bomb has a 5 min timers. During the second 5 mins the other team can deactivate the bomb via a crew member who would reasonably know how. The ship��‚��„�s onboard weapons can only be used for defense. You can��‚��„�t just send a missile over to the other hangers and blow them all up.


The circles on the map are the hangers. One color is for one person and the other is for the other person. Your opponent will not know which hanger you are in. All buildings can be entered or climbed upon. Identify corners of buildings by the building letter and corner number. Notice that some open areas are also identified by letters.


spaceport map



Three: Shipwreck Mission

There are two ships which have crashed on the same abandoned planet. There is one escape craft found on the planet for some reason and it can only support one crew. However the craft��‚��„�s fuel rods have been taken by the native populations. There are six fuel rods which must be taken from the native��‚��„�s camps. There are three separate camps each with two rods. When a fuel rod is taken back, that camp of natives will find out and attack the escape craft. It must be defended while the rest of the crew��‚��„�s strategies are being implemented. Your original craft can be used as a defensive location, but nothing of use can be salvaged from it for the escape craft.


And here are the two teams:

NovaForceNova:
Captain: Revan-One of the most talented and powerful Sith ever...possible even more powerful as a jedi. Great Tactician- able to fight the Mandalorian Generals to a standstill and then start beating on them...ending the Mandalorian War at Malachor V.

Pilot: Carth Onasi-Hailed as one of the best pilots in Star Wars. Able to land the Ebon Hawk on Rakata relatively well, despite the fact many systems were fried, and a tractor beam was pulling them. Successfully got them off The Star Forge as it blew. Became an Admiral, and fought Darth Nihilus at Telos IV.

Mechanic: Lighter-than-some = Huragok from Halo: Contact Harvest. Great with machines.

Gunner: Fox Mcloud- Starfox

Fighter- Serg. Avery Johnson- Nuff said.

Medic: Julian Bashir- Star Trek

Ship Computer: Cortana- Halo.

Wild Card: Rtas Vadum- Halo


KevinDWolf93:
Leader: Anakin Skywalker(Star Wars)-Reckless, and intelligent. Jack of all trades,proficent with most other jobs.

Pilot:Im gonna say Wedge Antilles(Also star wars)-man survived 2 death star raids, and rogue squadron leader for quite awhile

Mechanic:(Star Wars again)Chewbacca-Good mechanic, constantly tinkering with ship...not bad in a fight either.

Gunner:(Star wars)Generic gen.1 LAAT Clone Trooper gunner:Survived tussles, ready for fight

Fighter:Arbiter(halo)-Skilled warrior Elite.

Medic:ODST Filed Medic(Halo)Skilled, and ready fro most situations

Computer:R2-D2 (Star wars...again)-The droid can do loads of stuff,nuff said.

Wild Card:Gene Starwind(Outlaw star)-Tough , and ready for a fight.Carries a load of weapons, but main draw is caster gun that'll be an interesting fight when hose come into place.


The strategies will be forthcoming in a few mins.

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Posted 19 December 2009 - 12:22 AM

Ha! I'm going against Kev? Whooo... I feel a lot better. I could've gone against Skirmisher.

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Posted 19 December 2009 - 12:22 AM

This is Kevin's Strategy:

Fight one:
Everyone not checking maintenance can jump in for spare gunners

Wedge is fairly good pilot, and can a cct on own when strategizing is busy. Anakin can cover for pilot if they need more fire on the enemies. Anakins cunning, force abilities and ingenuity comes into play here.

Fight 2:
My ship starts in green-hangar2 for versatility in defensive shooting. The LAAT Gunner, Chewbacca, and Gene Starwind stay in the ship/around it to man guns and defense from ship takeover. The Gunner is the only one in the ship, the other 2 members stay around it for an ambush. Outside the hanger in a corner.

Rest of team split up: into two groups:
Anakin, R2-D2, and
Arbiter, Wedge, and the ODST medic.

Team 1 goes through sect. H to hangers and searches 9 and goes up until finds, while team 2 takes stealthy route behind D-C building into area J and search 16 down until finds


Fight 3:
Same teams (guard/be near ship)(attack 1) and (attack 2), search different camp areas.
Team 2(led by arbiter) will try and be stealthy, but team one(led by anakin) will run in deflecting bolts.
The defense will attack anyone, and if offense meets anyone they will break off and fight them, unless overrun, in which case they run for cover.

If they find rods, they will bring it straight back unless engaged (by other team only) even then they’ll have a runner(r2, and anyone who isn’t arbiter) who’ll make a break for defense perimeter

Once all the rods are taken the team groups up.

If the enemy team beats us to the rods, the team that was to retrieve it will try and ambush said team.





And here is Nova's Strategy:
Fight One:

Revan-Captain
Carth-pilot
Fox-Gunner
Johnson and Vadum- Counter-boarders
Bashir- Medic
Lighter-than-some- Mechanic
Cortana- A.I.

Two: Ground Fight


Alright, my strategy for the ground fight. Revan, Fox, Lighter-than-some and Johnson head off from hanger 13, but head off for G-corner and head around A building, going from hangar to hangar until they find the ship. Meanwhile, Rtas Vadum and Carth Onasi stand guard at the ship, with Cortana supervising the area from several cameras scattered around. There are two cameras, spread by Johnson before he left, and they are located on the starboard side of the ship and the wall opposite it.

When the ship is found, Johnson and Fox lay down cover fire on the guards, while Revan and Lighter-than-some go around, and Revan cuts a way into the ship. Inside they head to the control room and Lighter-than-some attempts to override their systems. Failing that, Revan orders Fox and Johnson inside, and place some explosives in hard to reach places, and guard them for three minutes, then hightail it outta there. In case they manage to stop the explosives, Lighter-than some sets the ship for self-destruct. In addition to that, Johnson has placed C-4 on their hull, ready for remote activation. If there are no guards, then they will all sneak in and place explosives, set self-destruct, ect.. as previously mentioned.

Meanwhile, Vadum and Onasi have likely encountered opposition and activate the Lotus minefield that Revan and Johnson placed in preparation for this incident. When Revan arrives, he force pushes the enemy down, and Onasi deactivates the mines, while Vadam lays down covering fire for the others to get in the ship.

Lotus Minefield: It's a Halo minefield, right at the ship, but they are designed to focus all their energy upward, so no mass destruction to the ship.

Three: Shipwreck Mission

Here, my strategy is to have Revan, Fox, and Johnson attack the natives from the front, while Vadum, Onasi, and Bashir neutralize the light opposition likely guarding the rods, who manage to squawk for help, which forces their main force to reinforce the rods or risk losing them.
1. If they reinforce them, Radum and Onasi take cover and fire upon them till Revan and the others finish the smaller force in the front and then come up from behind to attack the group sent to reinforce the rods, which due to attacks from both sides, is obliterated. Then, Revan, Onasi, Vadum, Fox, Johnson, and Bashir each take one rod and head to their ship.
2. If the natives decide not to reinforce the rods, then Onasi, Vadum, and Bashir bring the first three rods back to the escape ship and return for the others. If the natives have finally decided to reinforce them, they are quickly demolished as in the first scenario, and Vadum, Onasi and Bashir take the rods to the ship, while Fox, Revan, and Johnson cover them in case of any surprise attacks.

At the second and third camps, Revan will be the only one attacking from the front. Fox and Johnson stay behind at the escape ship to guard the rods. If any are stolen, we will counterattack. If they attempt to steal, We will have rotating guard shifts. And If they try to stop us in the first place, we will have all our combat specialists(Revan, Johnson, Fox, Vadum, Onasi) attack while The others make off with the rods.



Ok, so which strategy will prevail? If we come to a point where a decisive winner cannot be decided, then we could determine a fair stable point and get more strategies from the two players.

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Posted 19 December 2009 - 12:24 AM

Ha! I'm going against Kev? Whooo... I feel a lot better. I could've gone against Skirmisher.


Wow... brutal... :lol:

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Posted 20 December 2009 - 06:18 PM

Hmm I think I take fight 1:
Both our commanders are force users(two of the most powerful ever at that), but I think anakins ingenuity and all around skills win it. R2 was made for this.Also I could probably get more firepower on ur ship, most of my guys would make fair gunners.

Fight 2 Im not sure: My team is spread out... not sure how that ll play out. I think my side has a weaponry advantage though

Fight 3:Ur guys are itching for a fight while my team has a runner for rods, being defended by 2 most powerful guys. Though u have a plan vs natives.Again I may have some more firepower on the field.

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Posted 20 December 2009 - 06:19 PM

Ha! I'm going against Kev? Whooo... I feel a lot better. I could've gone against Skirmisher.


Ouch man. Im hurt...but:

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Posted 21 December 2009 - 10:03 PM

Hmm I think I take fight 1:
Both our commanders are force users(two of the most powerful ever at that), but I think anakins ingenuity and all around skills win it. R2 was made for this.Also I could probably get more firepower on ur ship, most of my guys would make fair gunners.

I don't know about that. Revan's pretty skilled too. Also, he and Carth have a history together as do Johnson, Cortana, and Vadum, meaning that they know each other strengths and weaknesses and can adapt on the fly, and on your team only Anakin and R2 have a history.

Fight 2 Im not sure: My team is spread out... not sure how that ll play out. I think my side has a weaponry advantage though.

Not sure. Revan can take Anakin, Cortana can most likely hack into R2, Vadum(white elite from Halo 2 and 3, aka Half-Jaw) and Johnson both know the Arbiter and can deal with him if needed, and Fox vs Chewbacca would be an awesome battle(plus Johnson and Vadum can help after taking the arbiter down), Carth and Wedge would probably be blasting on each other. I'd give the edge to Carth. So then, it would be Vadum, Johnson, Fox, Carth, and maybe Revan against the ODST.

Fight 3:Ur guys are itching for a fight while my team has a runner for rods, being defended by 2 most powerful guys. Though u have a plan vs natives.Again I may have some more firepower on the field.

Same as above



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Posted 22 December 2009 - 01:15 PM

*Cohesivness may be advantage in other scenarios, but the mission is shoot down the other ship...I think I have more manpowe r to do that. Also I have no clue of Revans prowess, but Anakin is the best from his time, and Wedge is..well hes Wedge

* What power level is Revan here? Cause Anakin is like right before episode 3, round his peak(Ya know, the chosen one),plus I wouldnt call a stretch for him to tap in darkside during this duel. Not sure about cortana hacking R2. And for everyone else, again I think I can put more fire to your side than you to me.

Hmm, we may need an outside opinion, on this.

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Posted 22 December 2009 - 03:17 PM

Not sure about cortana hacking R2. And for everyone else, again I think I can put more fire to your side than you to me.

Hmm, we may need an outside opinion, on this.

This is why I am afraid of Cortana... Yes, in the Ship to Ship mission she could very well Virus Dump the enemy ship, hack all it's systems, and basically make it her plaything...That's if the ship doesn't have any countermeasures to electronic warfare, note too that R2-D2 is not a valid countermeasure... and even good countermeasures can be overcome given time

The only thing that could stop her would be to completely cut the ship off from outside electronic communication. Which is pretty much what the Covenant and UNSC have to do against AI intrusions. Though Basic Radio can still operate if the system is properly isolated.

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Posted 22 December 2009 - 04:20 PM

I've updated the spaceport map with the movements of both crews.

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I would say that either crew's attack teams will confront each other while searching for the other ship. It also seems like Nova would find Kevin's ship first, because it would be in the second hanger that Nova's attack team searched while Nova's ship would be in the fourth hanger that Kevin's team two searched.

Now, Kevin said his guards are either in the ship or hiding. Therefor Nova's forces attempt to sneak in. They would be ambushed by Chewbacca and Gene from behind and the LAAT Gunner from in the ship. Revan with the force precog stuff would probably sense the ambush just before it happened, but I'm not sure if he would have time to warn the others.

So here we have a fight with Chewbacca, Gene, and the LAAT Gunner on one side and Revan, Fox, Lighter-than-some, and Johnson on the other. I would say that Team Chewi has a slight ambush advantage. To be honest here, I don't think team Chewi has much chance. First of all Revan is just way to powerful. On top of that they are outnumbered. However I do not think it would be impossible for Team Chewi to win. It would not be super surprising if Revan was taken out by Gene's caster. Revan would not expect the gun to fire magic and might try to block it like a normal blaster bolt. Obviously this would fail and he would take a direct hit. I'm not sure how the force stands up to magic, but it seems to me that they would be at least evenly matched. If Revan is taken out then team Chewi might have a chance.

Somewhere in the middle of the fight above, Arbiter, Wedge, and ODST medic find Nova's ship in hanger 13. At this time Anakin and R2-D2 will be searching hanger 12 right next to them, so they will not take long to respond to Arbiter's signal. Now this is where my Halo knowledge fails.
Arbiter is from the Haloverse and would know about the Lotus Minefield. If the minefield is visible then he would tell them to stop before hitting it. At that time I would assume that Anakin would be able to disable them using the force or something.

Then I guess they bum rush the ship so it is a fight with Anakin, R2-D2, Arbiter, Wedge, and ODST medic on one side and Rtas Vadum, Carth Onasi, and Cortana on the other side. I would assume that team Anni would take this due to Superior numbers and how powerful Anakin is. However I could be wrong as I am not familiar with all these characters.

Well this might be a tie. Both ships might be destroyed. What does everyone else think of my analysis? I'll comment on the shipwreck mission later. Might be after X-mas though depending on when I leave for home.

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Posted 22 December 2009 - 04:24 PM

Also, I will make this a poll after X-mas. Whoever wins the poll will be the next Master of Ceremonies and will pick the next two crews to fight. Those players will pm their strategies to the MC and so on and so forth.

Also, one thing that I learned from this first match, is that we might have to make rules for how much technology the crews can use. It wasn't to bad in this match, but other matches might take advantage of that and deck out their units in crazy gear and stuff. What do you guys think?

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Posted 22 December 2009 - 06:11 PM

This is why I am afraid of Cortana... Yes, in the Ship to Ship mission she could very well Virus Dump the enemy ship, hack all it's systems, and basically make it her plaything...That's if the ship doesn't have any countermeasures to electronic warfare, note too that R2-D2 is not a valid countermeasure... and even good countermeasures can be overcome given time

The only thing that could stop her would be to completely cut the ship off from outside electronic communication. Which is pretty much what the Covenant and UNSC have to do against AI intrusions. Though Basic Radio can still operate if the system is properly isolated.


Well first off I dont believe zig ever said we could pick kinds of ships, or even mention what kind of ships we'd be using! So the hacking and countermeasure thing seems a bit unfair as thats not a variable we really had a say in.

Second, I remember reading something like cortana need to be physically loaded into a large system(at least in certain situations). Correct me if Im wrong.

Lastly what do you mean cut off frequency? Cause considering theyre both already trying to kill each other Im not sure communication would be on anyones mind.

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Posted 22 December 2009 - 08:04 PM

Well first off I dont believe zig ever said we could pick kinds of ships, or even mention what kind of ships we'd be using! So the hacking and countermeasure thing seems a bit unfair as thats not a variable we really had a say in.

I'm actually asking him about that in PMs... I guess it would have to basically be a ship from either the Captains universe or the Pilots universe to be feasible. Which means that I'm probably getting a UNSC ship... Everything they do is freakin large...

We should have done an Equipment section alongside our Characters...


Second, I remember reading something like cortana need to be physically loaded into a large system(at least in certain situations). Correct me if Im wrong.

Early model Ships had to have large computer storage tanks. But once she's in the ship she can tap into any system from planetary satellite systems to military databases in other star systems. All in addition to running ship systems...


Lastly what do you mean cut off frequency? Cause considering theyre both already trying to kill each other Im not sure communication would be on anyones mind.

If the ship is open to receiving communications signals, say from an internet or Holonet, even IFF transponders that hook up to the computer, and even the radio comms if not isolated are all viable.

Given time to figure it out and some special equipment to pull it off, I would guess that she could even hack into a ship through it's radar...

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Posted 22 December 2009 - 09:00 PM

*Cohesivness may be advantage in other scenarios, but the mission is shoot down the other ship...I think I have more manpowe r to do that. Also I have no clue of Revans prowess, but Anakin is the best from his time, and Wedge is..well hes Wedge

* What power level is Revan here? Cause Anakin is like right before episode 3, round his peak(Ya know, the chosen one),plus I wouldnt call a stretch for him to tap in darkside during this duel. Not sure about cortana hacking R2. And for everyone else, again I think I can put more fire to your side than you to me.

Hmm, we may need an outside opinion, on this.


Revan is at his peak as well.

Here are some of his abilities.

"...Your potential is unlimited..."
―Zhar Lestin[src]

Revan had a wide variety of skills and abilities. The most prominent are listed below:
Combat skills

"You, Revan, are the single greatest warrior of this age, and any battle we fight will bring me honor."
―Canderous Ordo[src]

Revan was known as a highly skilled warrior, having defeated some of the greatest and most accomplished fighters of his time during the Mandalorian Wars and the subsequent Jedi Civil War, including the former Echani general and senator Yusanis, Mandalore the Ultimate, and Darth Malak, who was counted among the skilled swordsmen of the era.[5]

While he was stuck on Taris, he participated in the dueling ring to earn some credits. Under the alias of "The Mysterious Stranger", Revan defeated the top five duelists, Deadeye Duncan, Gerlon Two-Fingers, Marl, Ice, and Twitch, to become the champion. His dueling sparked the interest of the former Mandalorian Bendak Starkiller, who only fought in death matches, but it is unknown if these two met in the ring. Perhaps one of Revan's more impressive feats was his single-handed slaying of a pair of terentatek in the depths of the ancient Sith Lord Naga Sadow's tomb on Korriban.[5]
Force powers

"Revan was power. It was like staring into the heart of the Force."
―Kreia[src]


Revan was an incredibly talented and diligent student of the Force— the most gifted of his time—and eventually, by all accounts, became a very powerful Force practitioner. As one of the few individuals in galactic history to reach the heights of Sith power and return to the Jedi, he proved himself highly skilled in the use of both the light and dark sides of the Force.

As a Sith Lord, Revan used a variety of Force powers. He could use the Force to create a whirlwind of Force energy that would encircle his opponent. He also used the Force to grip and choke his enemies, and was proficient in the use of Force storm, and was able to use the dark side of the Force to tap into his innermost fears, pain and hate, and convert them into intense anger, channeling it to increase his speed, strength, and ferocity. Revan also used powers that were able to afflict his opponents, and was capable of using the Mind trick.[2] He also used the Jedi healing technique.[9] Though the full extent of Revan's abilities is unknown, before his and Revan's final duel, Darth Malak stated that Revan was stronger in the Force than he ever was as the Dark Lord of the Sith.[5]

Five years later, Revan's first Jedi Master Kreia would tell the Jedi Exile that staring at Revan was like staring into the heart of the Force.[6]
Strategy

"His strategies and tactics defeated the best of us. Even Mandalore himself was taken aback by the ferocity of his attacks, the tenacity of his defenses and the subtlety of his plans."
―Canderous Ordo[src]



Revan was an exceptionally brilliant strategist and tactician. Certain individuals, such as Canderous Ordo, went as far as to place almost the entirety of the Republic's victory in the Mandalorian Wars on his success.[5] Likewise, before his capture during the Jedi Civil War, there were those that believed that it was only a matter of time before he conquered the entire galaxy.[6]

Revan's ingenuity as a battlefield commander would earn him the undying respect of both the Mandalorian and Echani warrior cultures as according to the former, Revan represented a supremely worthy foe—one that both embodied their philosophies and showed them their weaknesses.[5] The Echani, on the other hand, believed that Revan represented the epitome of what one could achieve in the arts of war, and that his skill was born out of a highly advanced battle precognition.[6]
Other skills

"What can I say? I'm a talented individual."
―Revan[src]

In addition to his combat prowess, Force mastery, and clever battle strategies, Revan spoke and comprehended a variety of languages, including Basic, Mando'a,[33] Binary, Huttese,[2] Shyriiwook, and the Selkath and Rakatan languages. It is unknown whether this was an intuitive understanding born of his Force sensitivity or the result of his previous application of Force techniques, but the The One, the leader of the Black Rakata, stated that during his time as a Dark Lord of the Sith, Revan ripped the language from the mind of one of the Rakata. Interestingly, he was unable to understand the language of the Sand People, requiring the use of HK-47 as an interpreter.[5]

Like Anakin Skywalker millennia later[34], Revan was a skilled mechanic. According to Kreia, the first of his Jedi Masters, Revan exhibited a natural talent and interest in machinery, particularly droids. While Kreia held a great deal of pride for her Padawan's unique abilities with the Force, she was nevertheless confounded by Revan's preference of droids as she herself could find little to no interest in "all things dead to the Force." Years later, Kreia stated to the Exile that she believed Revan's talent for building droids stemmed from his desire for followers that obey orders without question. With that in mind, Revan would come to succeed in creating his ideal droid not long after recreating himself into the Dark Lord of the Sith.[6]

Shortly after the Battle of Malachor V, he built the sophisticated "protocol droid," HK-47.[6] He also displayed this skill during his time searching for the Star Forge, when he was able to repair HK-47 enough to regain many of his old memories and combat programs. However, HK's memories of his previous service with Revan would remain locked deep in his memory core and untouchable until Malak revealed to the re-programmed Revan his true identity. He proved adept at repairing abandoned, decommissioned, or rusted droids encountered on his journey and could program them to fight for him.[5] Furthermore, Revan proved himself adept at racing swoop bikes. His first known taste of the sport was on Taris, where he defeated the veteran Black Vulkar racer Redros, taking the Sector Championship to win Bastila Shan's freedom. He continued to compete professionally, eventually winning both the Tatooine and Manaan sector championships.[5]


In other words, don't underestimate his power.
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Posted 22 December 2009 - 09:31 PM

I aint your the one underestimateing Anakin .As for your proof, its impresive but hell at least twice, the thing compared him to Anakin! Also I saw things like pod racer, and mechanic, but I didnt see the word pilot anywhere there...also not to be rude, but I couldve read the link, didnt have to post nmost of the stuff. Lastly I wouldnt count quotes from other people as feats.

Enough of that though lets compare the rest of our team...we aint getting nowhere in Revan vs Anakin.

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Posted 22 December 2009 - 09:45 PM

I aint your the one underestimateing Anakin .As for your proof, its impresive but hell at least twice, the thing compared him to Anakin! Also I saw things like pod racer, and mechanic, but I didnt see the word pilot anywhere there...also not to be rude, but I couldve read the link, didnt have to post nmost of the stuff. Lastly I wouldnt count quotes from other people as feats.

Enough of that though lets compare the rest of our team...we aint getting nowhere in Revan vs Anakin.



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Posted 22 December 2009 - 09:48 PM

Okay in a straight out fight Nova takes this but if we are talking about more practical stuff and how long they can last in space traveling I give this to Kevin.

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Posted 22 December 2009 - 09:53 PM

Okay in a straight out fight Nova takes this but if we are talking about more practical stuff and how long they can last in space traveling I give this to Kevin.



Give a good reason for why me or Kevin would win in those situations.

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Posted 22 December 2009 - 09:57 PM

Give a good reason for why me or Kevin would win in those situations.

Scratch that just looked over the rosters again.

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Posted 22 December 2009 - 09:58 PM

Scratch that just looked over the rosters again.



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