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Posted 30 July 2013 - 08:45 AM

So while browsing through some older topics (since the site is shutting down and all), I came across this thread, which gave me the urge to share a few thoughts on the show. Since I'm a fanboy and I didn't want to bump an old topic, I figured I'd make a new one for this dying site. SO, without further ado:

 

1. While I don't really like comparing the various actors who've played the role, Matt Smith is my favorite Doctor.  I've gotten people telling me David Tennant is better without giving any real reasoning as to why, so I figured I'd just share why I prefer Smith. Tennant was very good (and, honestly, overall he might be a more talented actor than Matt by a small amount), but Smith plays the role itself better in just about every way imaginable, in my opinion. More emotive, compelling, funnier, less of a superheroic swashbuckler (something that really annoyed me about the Tenth-- though he still has some elements of this, it's toned down quite a lot) and above-all, he plays up the alien, nutty professor-esque card (similar to Tom Baker and Patrick Troughton, two of the best of the classic series). 

 

Tennant was nothing like that - rather, he was one of the most human-like Doctors. Seriously, he pretty much acted 99% human, if a hyperactive, bubbly human. Tennant was the one who could walk into a crowd of normal people and have them loving him within five minutes 'cause he's just plain witty and fun. Basically, Tennant did not come across as an alien personality-wise. At all. Just a normal, slightly-eccentric, highly intelligent bloke. 

 

With Smith, on the other hand, you can tell he's an alien-- as I said, cranks up the nutty professor aspect of the character. Thing is, though, while his eccentricity is more profound, his humanity isn't really any less so. He could also walk into a crowd of average people and have them loving him within five minutes (he pretty much did this in one of the episodes-- got a job in the shop, everybody working there knew and adored him by the end of his first day). He knows how to be funny, intelligent without coming across as condescending, and the eccentricity only adds to the likability factor.

 

Essentially, even objectively, I think Smith is a superior Doc simply because he captures the pure essence of the character. He IS the Doctor - a madman in a box, so very clever and so very kind, with the mystery and wisdom and sadness and anger of a thousand years behind his lively persona. Tennant was more like an extremely funny guy who got really pissed off occasionally.

 

Oh, and I've seen a few people complain Smith's portrayal is too childish, not intelligent or mature enough and the like-- that's not true. He's whimsical and eccentric, sure, but whimsicality and eccentricity do not equal stupidity. He's energetic, he's mad, and he enjoys what he does, but it's still made completely clear that he's an absolute genius, and he definitely knows what he's doing.

 

2. The premise of the topic I linked to (that Doctor Who has gone downhill since Matt Smith got the role) is one I wholeheartedly disagree with. Series 5 is my favorite of the revived series of DW-- it's nice and simple, honestly, I don't see where the confusion is coming from. Doctor regenerates, has a bunch of random adventures, Rory dies several times, cracks in time keep cropping up, turns out it's cause the TARDIS explodes, Doctor saves the multiverse by piloting a life support system of sorts into the heart of the exploding time machine and, well, Big Bang 2. It's not even proper sci-fi, it's just nice, silly, well-written fun.

 

I'll give you 6-- they put far too much focus on the frankly irritating River Song, and it all got a bit convoluted around halfway through. Still, it had some of the best individual episodes of the revived series-- The Doctor's Wife, anyone? One of my candidates for best Who episode... ever. The Girl Who Waited and Closing Time were pretty great too.

 

Series 7 was a return to form, in my opinion. They learned from the last season, dropping the overbearing plot arc (well, it was still there, it just built up to the final episode rather than having a lackluster climax halfway through the season then a more solid one six episodes later) and opting for more disconnected, individual episodes that stand perfectly on their own instead. 'Cause that's what Doctor Who is, really-- a madman and his companion(s) travelling around the universe in a box, having one random adventure after another. I honestly can't think of a single episode I didn't enjoy from this season, with the possible exception of the Rings of Akhaten (which was essentially a rehashing of series 5's second episode). Also, the Statue of Liberty being a Weeping Angel was stupid. Really stupid. Still, the episodes were well-written and the acting (as well as the chemistry between actors, particularly Smith and the new companion) was excellent. Plus... River Song only turned up in two episodes. Yay! 



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Posted 30 July 2013 - 05:34 PM

...The Statue of Liberty was a Weeping Angel? WHY ISN'T NYC OBLITERATED FROM THE MAP.

 

Other than that, I know jack shit about Dr. Who (Well pertaining to the characters extensively but I know bits and pieces there from the wikia - you know this obviously but others might not.) so not much to input other than: I thought the 9th was hardcore, love the 4th for his personality (JELLY BABEH), etc, etc, tid bits of useless common commentary. 



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Posted 30 July 2013 - 05:48 PM

Wow. That's an amazing response. I'm pretty much in agreement from the 5th series being the best (including the best finale imo) to Matt being the better Doctor (you just managed to articulate my feelings about 10). River's just tolerable to me.

 

And for the record, I'm pretty much a NuWho fan. Never watched a single episode from the old series.



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Posted 31 July 2013 - 07:07 AM

...The Statue of Liberty was a Weeping Angel? WHY ISN'T NYC OBLITERATED FROM THE MAP.


Lol, yep. My issue was, in New York there's always gonna be at least somebody looking at that thing, so how did it manage to haul its ass across the city? :D The idea of NY being a breeding farm for the Angels was cool though.

 

Other than that, I know jack shit about Dr. Who (Well pertaining to the characters extensively but I know bits and pieces there from the wikia - you know this obviously but others might not.) so not much to input other than: I thought the 9th was hardcore, love the 4th for his personality (JELLY BABEH), etc, etc, tid bits of useless common commentary.


The 9th was indeed hardcore! Even more so than the rest of them. And yeah, 4th is probably my third favorite of the lot. Just third cuz he started getting progressively less awesome in his last few years on the show. AND SIR, if you ever, ever watch an episode of Doctor Who... watch the Neil Gaiman episode. Pure gold.

Wow. That's an amazing response. I'm pretty much in agreement from the 5th series being the best (including the best finale imo) to Matt being the better Doctor (you just managed to articulate my feelings about 10). River's just tolerable to me.
 
And for the record, I'm pretty much a NuWho fan. Never watched a single episode from the old series.


Heh. It may or may not be worth it, depending on whether you're willing to sacrifice the awesome CGI effects for a similar type of innovative writing. I do recommend the standalone movie from the 90s, at least-- was deeply flawed but entertaining, and Paul McGann was REALLY good as the 8th Doctor.

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Posted 31 July 2013 - 10:02 AM

I'm very impressed with your argument, AVP, but there's just one thing. I never actually said that Matt Smith was a bad actor. Hell, everyone else I know hates him to the core. I just said that I preferred the Tenth Doctor because of his better skills as an actor. The emotion feels a lot more real with the Tenth Doctor, and the fact that the guy in a Northener and puts on an Eastern accent for the entire show (except the werewolf episode), is pretty impressive in my opinion.

 

I'm surprised you didn't comment on the Daleks though. The new design has really bugged me since they first came out of that stupid smokey chamber. I mean, the Daleks were the biggest threat in the universe, feared literally be everyone in the entire universe, with no equals in terms of sheer brutality. Nowadays, they just sorta, y'know, skulk around the galaxy in their big ship, not really doing much and not really being threatening in the slightest.

 

My favourite Matt Smith episode? The Girl Who Waited was brilliant. Truly one of Smith's finest hours. I prefer it when the Doctor is the baddie for some reason. ;)



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Posted 31 July 2013 - 01:29 PM

I'm very impressed with your argument, AVP, but there's just one thing. I never actually said that Matt Smith was a bad actor. Hell, everyone else I know hates him to the core. I just said that I preferred the Tenth Doctor because of his better skills as an actor. The emotion feels a lot more real with the Tenth Doctor, and the fact that the guy in a Northener and puts on an Eastern accent for the entire show (except the werewolf episode), is pretty impressive in my opinion.

 

 

I'm surprised you didn't comment on the Daleks though. The new design has really bugged me since they first came out of that stupid smokey chamber. I mean, the Daleks were the biggest threat in the universe, feared literally be everyone in the entire universe, with no equals in terms of sheer brutality. Nowadays, they just sorta, y'know, skulk around the galaxy in their big ship, not really doing much and not really being threatening in the slightest.

 

My favourite Matt Smith episode? The Girl Who Waited was brilliant. Truly one of Smith's finest hours. I prefer it when the Doctor is the baddie for some reason. ;)

 

Heh, I get ya, though I find the 11th more emotive myself. I've just seen a lot of people (online, mostly, most people I speak to IRL love him) calling him horrific compared to Tennant (though, thankfully, I've seen just as many people saying Smith trumps David too), and figured I'd share my opinion on the matter and why I think otherwise.

 

Yeah, that I agree with. The Daleks have been embarrassingly useless since series 5-- Victory of the Daleks, while not terrible, featured a truly god-awful redesign of the Doctors' staple foe. Why fix something when it ain't broken? And by "fix", I mean beat with a hammer until it's hideous and unrecognizable. Doctor Who is supposed to be solid family entertainment - adults and late-teens can watch it and enjoy the acting, snappy dialogue, fantastic character development and humor that goes way over the kids' heads, while kids can watch it and hide behind their sofas at the sight of the monsters and aliens... thing is, the Power Rangers-esque Daleks pretty much just make kids laugh and adults scratch their heads and go "WTF is this?". And for god's sake, they need to do something! Like you said, they've just been skulking about the universe since 2010. Why haven't they attacked Earth? Why haven't they gone after the Doctor? Well, they can't now since they don't remember him. And I find it odd that the 11th is just letting them continue. I mean, these are the things that caused the Time War! The monsters that forced you to commit genocide-- twice! It's already been shown that the 11th Doctor hates the Daleks almost as much as the 9th did, so why hasn't he annihilated them yet? They've established a whole new paradigm now-- surely they can't be hiding. Nothing that big can hide from someone like the Doctor. Back in the 2005 finale, the 9th was all ready to wipe the Daleks out of the sky with that Delta Wave generator, so he definitely has the means to do so, and imo it's a bit unrealistic that he hasn't gone ahead and rid the universe of their filth yet.

 

Although, I did love Asylum of the Daleks. It and Christopher Eccleston's Dalek are my two favorite Dalek episodes of the new series, and I see them as sort of linked-- AOTD builds upon a concept introduced in Dalek: What happens to the Daleks who go "wrong"? Who start to develop genuine feelings, to feel things they aren't supposed to? The whole "You are a Dalek" revelation was one of the few genuinely heartbreaking moments of the revived series, imo. Up there with the end of the Van Gogh episode and the aforementioned Dalek as a whole.



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Posted 01 August 2013 - 02:22 PM

I personally didn't like Asylum of the Daleks very much. It was advertised as a massive thing with every old Dalek featured, and I was super pumped! But then I only saw, like, two classic daleks spinning around like retards in the background. That was it. The whole Clara is actually a dalek thing was okay, but I could see where it was going very easily.

 

And even though it was called Asylum of the Daleks, I really expected more from the actual asylum. I wanted it to be like Batman Arkham Asylum with ultra insane daleks spouting out gibberish and rabidly attacking the Doctor, as well as loads of disturbing imagery. That would have been scary as f*ck! I would have killed to see two old Daleks fighting each other as well.



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Posted 01 August 2013 - 02:24 PM

Yeah I didn't so much like it for the variety of Daleks shown. That was a bit disappointing.

 

Also, Daleks are apparently Cybermen. Kinda defeats the purpose of wiping out all other life if you can just make 'em like you. Though I guess there is that whole purity thing.



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Posted 07 August 2013 - 03:41 AM

Last few weeks, so what else is there to talk about? The new Doctor? The 50th Anniversary Special?



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Posted 07 August 2013 - 01:30 PM

Peter Capaldi will be jawesome. I hope to god they model him after the 3rd Doctor in the same way Tennant took cues from the 5th and Smith from the 2nd.

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Posted 07 August 2013 - 02:19 PM

A podcast I listen to made a good point stating this actor they choose to be the new Doctor is around the same age as the actor who played the very first Doctor. I think that's a nice move that after going younger for  a few Doctors they finally went older to once again show you when he comes back it can be of any age.



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Posted 07 August 2013 - 02:55 PM

Agreed. 55 is a good age to play him, especially after having relatively young actors since the mid-90s.






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