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Posted 23 July 2013 - 11:22 AM

nirvana is a great example of what I am talking about according to critics kurt cobain was not a great guitar player but what he played worked with his songs and he was in my opinion the best front man of our time because he could sing and write great powerful songs

What? Nirvana's lyrics are a slipshod mess that don't really mean anything, Kurt Cobain would be the FIRST to tell you that himself, Cobain thought lyrics didn't really matter.



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Posted 23 July 2013 - 01:57 PM

What? Nirvana's lyrics are a slipshod mess that don't really mean anything, Kurt Cobain would be the FIRST to tell you that himself, Cobain thought lyrics didn't really matter.

you can find plenty of meaning in there songs.



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Posted 23 July 2013 - 02:43 PM

Here are a collection of quotes from comic book fan on the subject.

 

I agree lyrics are more important to me as well  anyone can make a catchy tune it take talent to wright a meaningful song.

and other than the great bands they influenced I haven't gotten why their so well liked I have always thought they were overrated but a lot of my favorite bands were influenced by them and they wrote some decent songs they weren't just a catchy  band. 

my point is give me a couple of months to learn to play an instrument and I could play something that would get stuck in your head but it takes real talent to trigger an emotion every time you hear it. 

same with music once your good enough than work on song writing you don't have to be a Jimi Hendrix  for me to listen to you .

that's all I am saying.

 

So you say lyrics are more important than the music. I heavily disagree with that statement, but whatever. Then you go on to say that song writing is more important than playing. I do somewhat agree with that, but if you write something you can't play, then you're fucked. Except then you say The Beatles were over-rated. This can only mean one thing. You like super intricate song-writing. Which is fine, somewhat. But then you have to appreciate how people play, because not everyone can play super intricate stuff. Anyone can play The Beatles. Some songs really aren't that hard. But who were the geniuses that were able to use pop chords in so many different ways to create so many fantastic songs? The Beatles. That's why they're the best ever.

 

You say Nirvana is one of your favorite bands ever, yet you favor lyricism. IRONY!



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Posted 23 July 2013 - 02:43 PM

you can find plenty of meaning in there songs.

 

You can, that is true. Doesn't mean Kurt Cobain put meaning in their songs.



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Posted 23 July 2013 - 04:27 PM

Not necessarily. While yeah, he's pretty much insulting every musician ever, I get emotions from Explosions In The Sky and they have no singer.

You misunderstand me. I feel that instrumental pieces can be beautifully emotive, CBF seems to be implying that they need words to do so.  

 

why is that because I put a little more importance on lyrics then music  if I did that wasn't my intent .

just my opinion .

it's like asking what's more important in comics artist or writer I prefer writer there as well but I am not saying the art isn't important I have bought comics I just put away and never read because the art was so horrible once you get by the cover art but as long as you can draw spiderman pretty well then it's cool you don't have to be a Jim lee.

same with music once your good enough than work on song writing you don't have to be a Jimi Hendrix  for me to listen to you .

that's all I am saying.

Are you claiming that music cannot be beautifully emotive without words? Because that shits on the vast majority of classical music. Some of my favorite songs are instrumentals. 

 

nirvana is a great example of what I am talking about according to critics kurt cobain was not a great guitar player but what he played worked with his songs and he was in my opinion the best front man of our time because he could sing and write great powerful songs

He could write great and powerful songs, yes. And he did that with his guitar as much as he did with his mouth. He may not have been a virtuoso, but he wrote great music with his guitar AND he wrote great lyrics also. 

 

Now you're changing your point. You went from saying that lyrics are more important than the music because anyone can write a catchy tune. Now you're saying you don't have to play well as long as you can write well. So now you're just contradicting yourself.

I believe CBF is under the impression that only lyrics count as song writing. Which is wrong on every account. 



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Posted 23 July 2013 - 04:31 PM

 

This song is, amusingly, about music fans like CBF. 



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Posted 23 July 2013 - 04:52 PM

Here are a collection of quotes from comic book fan on the subject.

 

 

So you say lyrics are more important than the music. I heavily disagree with that statement, but whatever. Then you go on to say that song writing is more important than playing. I do somewhat agree with that, but if you write something you can't play, then you're fucked. Except then you say The Beatles were over-rated. This can only mean one thing. You like super intricate song-writing. Which is fine, somewhat. But then you have to appreciate how people play, because not everyone can play super intricate stuff. Anyone can play The Beatles. Some songs really aren't that hard. But who were the geniuses that were able to use pop chords in so many different ways to create so many fantastic songs? The Beatles. That's why they're the best ever.

 

You say Nirvana is one of your favorite bands ever, yet you favor lyricism. IRONY!

I admitted I over emphasized what I meant and tried to be funny when I said anyone could play a catchy tune it was not meant to be taken literally what i meant is that song writing is more important  to me then being the best in the world at any instrument  music without lyrics can bring an emotion but lyrics without music can as well.



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Posted 23 July 2013 - 04:57 PM

I admitted I over emphasized what I meant and tried to be funny when I said anyone could play a catchy tune it was not meant to be taken literally what i meant is that song writing is more important  to me then being the best in the world at any instrument  music without lyrics can bring an emotion but lyrics without music can as well.

 

So M Bison was right in saying that you think song writing is only about writing lyrics. That's wrong on so many levels.

 

By the way, lyrics without music is called poetry. That's a whole different subject.



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Posted 23 July 2013 - 05:11 PM

So M Bison was right in saying that you think song writing is only about writing lyrics. That's wrong on so many levels.

 

By the way, lyrics without music is called poetry. That's a whole different subject.

but is it any less meaningful my point is of course you need both to write a great song.

you made a point about Johnny cash version of hurt was better than nine inch nails version  why is that  actually now that i think about it  this hurts my case. oh well i meant song writing in general not just lyrics but i said lyrics so i get what you were saying.



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Posted 23 July 2013 - 05:14 PM

What? Nirvana's lyrics are a slipshod mess that don't really mean anything, Kurt Cobain would be the FIRST to tell you that himself, Cobain thought lyrics didn't really matter.

no he said they never had a set meaning leaving it up to you but i know some of them did.



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Posted 23 July 2013 - 05:46 PM

"Cobain complained when fans and rock journalists attempted to decipher his singing and extract meaning from his lyrics, writing 'Why in the hell do journalists insist on coming up with a second-rate Freudian evaluation of my lyrics, when 90 percent of the time they've transcribed them incorrectly?' Cobain would insist on the subjectivity and unimportance of his lyrics and would describe his lyrics himself as 'a big pile of contradictions.'"



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Posted 23 July 2013 - 05:59 PM

"Cobain complained when fans and rock journalists attempted to decipher his singing and extract meaning from his lyrics, writing 'Why in the hell do journalists insist on coming up with a second-rate Freudian evaluation of my lyrics, when 90 percent of the time they've transcribed them incorrectly?' Cobain would insist on the subjectivity and unimportance of his lyrics and would describe his lyrics himself as 'a big pile of contradictions.'

 

ok so maybe I attached my own meaning to the songs  what who don't  but the Beatles did the same thing. 



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Posted 23 July 2013 - 07:12 PM

Yes, the Beatles did do the same thing. John Lennon found the idea of school classes analysing his lyrics hilarious. That's our point. Lyrics don't always need to have a great level of depth, and music doesn't need great lyrics to be good. 



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Posted 23 July 2013 - 07:15 PM

Yes, the Beatles did do the same thing. John Lennon found the idea of school classes analysing his lyrics hilarious. That's our point. Lyrics don't always need to have a great level of depth, and music doesn't need great lyrics to be good. 

fair enough.



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Posted 23 July 2013 - 10:18 PM

but is it any less meaningful my point is of course you need both to write a great song.

you made a point about Johnny cash version of hurt was better than nine inch nails version  why is that  actually now that i think about it  this hurts my case. oh well i meant song writing in general not just lyrics but i said lyrics so i get what you were saying.

 

My favorite band, The New Pornographers. I've listened to them countless times. I don't think I know any of their lyrics off the top of my head and only know them when they're playing due to muscle memory. Guess what? Still my favorite band. Way I see it is, truly great musicians don't need the lyrics to show the emotion. Do the help? Heck yeah, but it's just spelling out the emotion for the listener. I don't need to hear Johnny Cash sing 'Hurt' to know that's a sad as shit song.



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Posted 23 July 2013 - 11:30 PM

My favorite band, The New Pornographers. I've listened to them countless times. I don't think I know any of their lyrics off the top of my head and only know them when they're playing due to muscle memory. Guess what? Still my favorite band. Way I see it is, truly great musicians don't need the lyrics to show the emotion. Do the help? Heck yeah, but it's just spelling out the emotion for the listener. I don't need to hear Johnny Cash sing 'Hurt' to know that's a sad as shit song.

but when he sings that song it makes more since than when it was done by N I N.



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Posted 24 July 2013 - 09:10 AM

Not necessarily. Not necessarily at all. It portrays two different emotions. Trent Reznor is just trying to stay sane while in the middle of depression. Johnny Cash did it, I think, to kind of look back upon all the bad shit he did in his life, and to kind of think back to June Carter Cash. So while they are the same song, lyrically, they are different musical styles, therefore they can mean different things to different people and one version can affect someone more than the other version. To say that one version means more than the other is nothing more than you being ignorant to the interpretation of music.



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Posted 24 July 2013 - 09:14 AM

Not necessarily. Not necessarily at all. It portrays two different emotions. Trent Reznor is just trying to stay sane while in the middle of depression. Johnny Cash did it, I think, to kind of look back upon all the bad shit he did in his life, and to kind of think back to June Carter Cash. So while they are the same song, lyrically, they are different musical styles, therefore they can mean different things to different people and one version can affect someone more than the other version. To say that one version means more than the other is nothing more than you being ignorant to the interpretation of music.

it means more to me.



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Posted 24 July 2013 - 09:52 AM

it means more to me.

 

And that's okay! That's the whole point of music. Like, Hey Ya. I'm assuming you've heard the original OutKast version because who hasn't. Does that strike you as a sad song?



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Posted 24 July 2013 - 01:17 PM

Complaining about "bad taste"  on a site where people read superhero comics, watch shonen anime, and listen to corporate rock?  

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