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#21 Venom 2009

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Posted 16 July 2013 - 03:07 PM

Super Saiyan God Goku would win this.



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Posted 16 July 2013 - 09:50 PM

"when Goku is moving that fast, the noise of the air being displaced would take longer for Superman to hear it, (sound travels at 770mph) then it would for Goku to re-appear and move out of the way."

1. If Goku uses IT to a location close enough to use physical attacks, Goku will be pushing the air in front of him, including the vibrations in that air.  If Goku uses IT to a more distant location, then there is plenty of time for Superman to pick up his location through other means.

2. Superman has, on more than one occasion, showed that his senses defies the laws of physics.  For example, hearing a gunshot from the other side of the city, and still arriving in time to block the bullet before it hits the target.  Or heaving Lois scream as she starts to fall down, at the other side of the city, if not the other side of the country(or more), and still arriving in time to save her before she splatters all over the ground.  Or the always popular, being able to hear sound in space.



"The reason Bills hits him on the second attempt of IT is not for hearing him"

I never claimed it was.  I said "Goku uses IT to dodge the next attack again, and tries attacking again, this time Bills is not surprised, and easily dodges Goku's hit.".  Nothing about Bills using his hearing in that.


"Super Saiyan God Goku would win this."

He really wouldn't.

Just like lower levels of Goku's transformations, he doesn't have the speed, reaction time, or durability to win.


Or in other words, Superman is fast enough to hit Goku whenever he wants, and powerful enough(via either raw strength, or his Heat Vision) to take him out with a single full powered blow.



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Posted 17 July 2013 - 02:04 AM

There have been times when the stronger and more powerful person still loses. Goku is not that weak to have Superman brush him off. You under estimate his durability. Remember that his ki allows him to be tough as a rock.(not just a rock, but you catch my drift)

Trunk then demonstrates this when using a sword and Goku blocks it with his finger.

Also again when Frieza's Death Beam bounces off him. Mind you that attack is meant to destroy planets as he uses it to easily disrupt the planet's core. He could have easily just used more energy to make that a planet busting attack.

 

If you answer this for me I will concede. (By the way I agree that Superman will win, given that he has any and every power imaginable lol hearing sound in space) And by concede I will clarify that I mean that I will return one day with this match up Muahahaa.

 

If Superman can hear that well and react that fast, and move that fast how is the following possible?

 

Batman launching him via judo throw

Anything on Earth hitting him, I mean he is 10010101 times faster than light, what is a missile, gun shot, punch, etc going to do, yet these things have all hit him and even more times when people catch him by surprise. I do not mean they tricked him, I mean they snuck up behind him and punched him or attacked him.

 

If you don't answer PIS or Plot Devices, or that it was another universe and still have a valid reason why he can be that powerful and be so vulnerable at the same time, I will concede. 

 

All I am saying is that Superman tangles with weak people and still struggles sometimes (except when he goes nuts on them) and yet Goku being skilled enough and powerful enough (in comparison to the weaker guys that fight Superman and contend) is not able to even so much as look at Superman?

 

I don't agree



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Posted 17 July 2013 - 08:12 AM

Dinsdale is like the only one who took this thread for what it was supposed to be, lol.

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 08:36 AM

BERGY WHAT THE HELL



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Posted 17 July 2013 - 12:12 PM

I'm sorry, I really didn't mean to. I thought the first post was obvious enough.

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 12:32 PM

You underestimate the obliviousness of the people of Electricferret.

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 01:11 PM

Sirmethos and I are just messing around, check out the Apocalypse vs Alucard match guys!



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Posted 17 July 2013 - 07:06 PM

Here you go ^_^

 

RULES

1. Goku is in SSJ4 form. 
2. Goku is wearing a "Bleeding Edge" level suit of combat armor built by the Capsule Corp. to Bulma's specs. 
3. Goku has fused to SSJ4 Vegeta and SSJ4 Brolly (with his personality in full control). 
4. For this fight, Superman is only at the level of power he demonstrated in his debut in 1938.

5. Before the fight, Goku is given a full set of "Superman: The Golden Age Omnibus" that details Superman's powers and weaknesses. 
6. After finishing his reading, Goku is given a week of prep (no asking others for help). 
7. The fight takes place in Central Park at nighttime. 
8. No BFR is allowed and Superman cannot launch an attack that Goku cannot possibly dodge 
9. Victory is achieved by either KO or death. 



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Posted 17 July 2013 - 07:08 PM

Here you go ^_^

RULES

1. Goku is in SSJ4 form.
2. Goku is wearing a "Bleeding Edge" level suit of combat armor built by the Capsule Corp. to Bulma's specs.
3. Goku has fused to SSJ4 Vegeta and SSJ4 Brolly (with his personality in full control).
4. For this fight, Superman is only at the level of power he demonstrated in his debut in 1938.
5. Before the fight, Goku is given a full set of "Superman: The Golden Age Omnibus" that details Superman's powers and weaknesses.
6. After finishing his reading, Goku is given a week of prep (no asking others for help).
7. The fight takes place in Central Park at nighttime.
8. No BFR is allowed and Superman cannot launch an attack that Goku cannot possibly dodge
9. Victory is achieved by either KO or death.


It feels like I've already seen this a few times...

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 08:25 PM

Could we just make this into a Rap Battle...

 



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Posted 18 July 2013 - 12:49 PM

If Superman can hear that well and react that fast, and move that fast how is the following possible?

Batman launching him via judo throw

Anything on Earth hitting him, I mean he is 10010101 times faster than light, what is a missile, gun shot, punch, etc going to do, yet these things have all hit him and even more times when people catch him by surprise. I do not mean they tricked him, I mean they snuck up behind him and punched him or attacked him.

 
If you don't answer PIS or Plot Devices, or that it was another universe and still have a valid reason why he can be that powerful and be so vulnerable at the same time, I will concede.

 

Two different reasons, first one is Superman mentally limiting himself, for fear of killing his opponent, which in this case will be removed rather quickly, when Goku proves that he's capable of dealing and handling a sufficient level of force.

Second one is shitty writers who doesn't have the imagination to write stories about Superman without having him be extremely limited.

 

In a short phrase, Comic Mechanics.



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Posted 18 July 2013 - 12:57 PM

just glad this is a rumble too much fighting would happen if it was a real match-up.



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Posted 18 July 2013 - 01:01 PM

just glad this is a rumble too much fighting would happen if it was a real match-up.

I considered doing it as a real match, but I didn't want someone to actually stab me through the internet.



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Posted 18 July 2013 - 01:04 PM

Human reflexes are many times faster than a thrown dodgeball. But I guess dodgeball is pretty boring since no one ever gets hit.... Oh wait.



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Posted 18 July 2013 - 01:37 PM

Reflexes/Reaction Time = How long it takes from your brain registers that something is happening(i.e. that an action has to be taken) until you actually start performing that action.

 

While human reflexes are good enough, that they can generally start moving long(relatively speaking) before the ball hits them, the actual speed(movement speed) of humans are considerably slower than that of a thrown dodgeball.

 

As such, your analogy is totally and completely useless for the purposes of this match.  Since Superman is not just capable of reacting far faster, he is also capable of moving far faster than Goku(or goku's energy attacks).



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Posted 18 July 2013 - 04:15 PM

You can't move your limbs/body faster than 5-10 miles per hour? Wow, looks like someone was in a fatal accident and had half of their body paralyzed. Also, you're completely wrong. Reflex speed is the time it takes to react to an outside stimulus, being that that's what REFLEXES ARE. It is not "how long it takes for your brain to register something is happening". Also, if your "actual movement" speed is slower than that of a dodgeball (again, incorrect) then you would ALWAYS be hit, unless the thrower misses. No, people can dodge dodgeballs, and they can get hit by dodgeballs. That's because even though humans easily have enough reaction time to dodge dodgeballs, in a "combat" situation people make mistakes due to the amount of sensory input, they can get hit by things travelling much slower than they are. Comic Mechanics doesn't exist. It's called finding an explanation for your damn self. But that takes intelligence and effort.



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Posted 18 July 2013 - 05:54 PM

You can't throw a dodgeball faster than 5-10 miles per hour? 

 

Considering that a 12 year old(male) has an average throwing velocity(with a dodgeball) of roughly 35 MpH, I assume that you must be physically handicapped in some manner, or that the one that has done the throwing from which you measured the speed of the ball, was somehow handicapped.

 

 

Anyway, moving on to the next piece of stupidity:

 

"Comic Mechanics doesn't exist."

 

Oh really?

 

So you're telling me that the hero doesn't always win in the end(and by proxy, the villain loses)?

 

That someone who is important to the plot, will not defeat pretty much anyone who gets in his way, until the end of the storyline/arc?

 

Characters always use their powers to the extend that fits to their personality and skill?

 

I could keep going like this for a while, but most people will be getting the picture by now.

 

 

If two heroes meet, and they fight(which they usually do on their first meeting), 99% of the time, the hero of the comic will come out of the fight with the upper hand.  Regardless of whether or not the other hero would be more than capable of winning, if not for Comics Mechanics(the Hero of The Comic advantage).

 

 

There are plenty of things that have in-universe explanations, but there are just as many, if not more, that are solely due to Comics Mechanics.



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Posted 18 July 2013 - 07:35 PM

You can't throw a dodgeball faster than 5-10 miles per hour? 

 

Considering that a 12 year old(male) has an average throwing velocity(with a dodgeball) of roughly 35 MpH, I assume that you must be physically handicapped in some manner, or that the one that has done the throwing from which you measured the speed of the ball, was somehow handicapped.

 

 

Anyway, moving on to the next piece of stupidity:

 

"Comic Mechanics doesn't exist."

 

Oh really?

 

So you're telling me that the hero doesn't always win in the end(and by proxy, the villain loses)?

 

That someone who is important to the plot, will not defeat pretty much anyone who gets in his way, until the end of the storyline/arc?

 

Characters always use their powers to the extend that fits to their personality and skill?

 

I could keep going like this for a while, but most people will be getting the picture by now.

 

 

If two heroes meet, and they fight(which they usually do on their first meeting), 99% of the time, the hero of the comic will come out of the fight with the upper hand.  Regardless of whether or not the other hero would be more than capable of winning, if not for Comics Mechanics(the Hero of The Comic advantage).

 

 

There are plenty of things that have in-universe explanations, but there are just as many, if not more, that are solely due to Comics Mechanics.

The average throwing speed of anything is 35 mph? Do you even know what average means? So I can throw a truck at 35 mph? I can throw a feather at 35 mph? You're so hilariously stupid, you don't even understand the context of the statistics you spout.

 

No, because when discussing comics, everything that happened in the comics is what we go on. That's simple common sense. Yeah, the good guy usually wins, that's because the good guy usually has a trait that enables him to win, even if it's not physical. Disregarding the comics because of those things you just mentioned is incredibly stupid. Spider-Man didn't actually beat Green Goblin because he's the good guy, and he won! In fact, any victory with him over a bad guy now does contribute to his power set! Awesome! So now we have absolutely no idea of what he can do!



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Posted 18 July 2013 - 09:28 PM

No one is dumb here, just have different opinions.




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