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Posted 28 June 2013 - 07:16 AM

Pretty damn good. He's considered an expert in all small arms. He doesn't have bullseye type accuracy, especially at longer ranges but he doesn't often miss in combat situations. Basically he's not the best marksman here but he's well versed in anything that shoots and uses firearms in a comprehensive combat strategy.

I would say Snakeyes is the most well rounded in all weapons and skills out of everyone.  He may not be the best in any one area but formidable in all.



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Posted 28 June 2013 - 07:40 AM

As far as who would win out, in no particular order...

 

Wolverine definitely has the skills in fighting, hunting, and survival.  He could pretty much hunt down any of them eventually.  Also his H2H skills allow him to go head to head with anyone.  His biggest downfall will come coping with the loss of his healing factor.  While yes he has been without it before, it still changes pretty much everything he does in a fight.  He must be more precise.

 

Cap is the most out of his element since he is more of a straight up fighter.  His enhanced attributes will play a big factor in his surviving.  With his army survival training and experience, the terrain wont be much of a problem.  His only real disadvantage is he is more of a straight up fighter than the others.  He does not possess the stealth skills of many of the other fighters.

 

Hawkeye just doesnt seem to have much going for him here.  He is a tough competitor but not much experience in these types of situations.

 

Castle could fair pretty well.  This would not be all that different from his Vietnam experiences when it come to surviving.  While not a great disadvantage to the others, Castle is a loner.  He is used to being on his own with no help.  He has the military know how and the tracking abilities to put him just below Wolverine in those terms.

 

Bats would do alright in this setting.  He is highly versed in working in all sorts of terrain.  He has great tracking skills and awesome survival training.  His fighting skills allow him to stand toe to toe with anyone here.  He could easily hide and mask his scent from others.  He could set some great traps and surprise attacks.  His big disadvantage is like other said, he would do everything not to kill the others.

 

Oliver has what it takes here.  He went from spoiled rich kid to survivor and learned the hard way.  He knows how to survive in this setting because he had to learn from first hand experience or he was a goner.  His weapon of choice could easily be made in the wild by him, if he didnt aquire it first.  He has the tracking, hunting, and stealth skills to carry him far here.  His disadvantage is the amount of other characters with enhanced attributes.  It puts him behind the 8 ball from the start.

 

Snake Eyes is a breed all his own.  He is a highly trained ninja that is versed in all forms of weapons.  He weapon of choice is a sword that in some instances, have cut a transformer.  He has dodged bullets while in mid air.  He also has amazing aim.  His stealth skills will give him and edge considering it would be hard for even wolverine to hear him.  Also he has all the survival training a ninja could ask for.  I cant think of a real disadvantage for Snake-eyes since he has shown easily superhuman feats. He would personally be my choice to finish top 3 minimum.

 

Bucky has about the same going for him as Punisher except for the vietnam experience but he has his own that measures up.  His bionic arm could cause quite a stir.  If he connects with a punch with it, it could easily break bones.  Couple that with his H2H skills and he is dangerous close up.  He also has the weapons training to rival anyone here.  His real disadvantage is he has less experience than the other fighters.



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Posted 28 June 2013 - 01:15 PM

No, Wolverine doesn't get his strength from his Healing Factor.

 

His strength was still at the same enhanced level during the period where his Healing Factor was not working(lifting Cable with one hand, being a nice example of this).

"Wolverine's mutant healing factor enables him to push his muscles beyond the natural limits of the human body without injury, granting him some degree of superhuman strength." When did Logan lose his healing factor for an extended period of time? And when did he lift Cable without it?



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Posted 28 June 2013 - 01:18 PM

  His real disadvantage is he has less experience than the other fighters.

How the hell does Bucky have less experience than the other fighters? He has more experience than everyone save Wolverine.

 

Also, while Cap fights straight up, he's also a master strategist, so it's not like he's gonna run out in the open like an idiot and try to take everyone down. He'll take the initiative, definitely, the hunter as opposed to the hunted.



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Posted 28 June 2013 - 01:48 PM

How the hell does Bucky have less experience than the other fighters? He has more experience than everyone save Wolverine.

 

Also, while Cap fights straight up, he's also a master strategist, so it's not like he's gonna run out in the open like an idiot and try to take everyone down. He'll take the initiative, definitely, the hunter as opposed to the hunted.

Bucky just has less experience against opponents of this caliber.

 

Also dont jump to conclusions.  Im just saying Cap is more known for straight up fights than his planning.  While he is a great tactician, he generally uses it on the fly.  He is not well known for just sitting back and planning unless with a team of some sorts.



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Posted 28 June 2013 - 02:12 PM

Bucky just has less experience against opponents of this caliber.

 

Also dont jump to conclusions.  Im just saying Cap is more known for straight up fights than his planning.  While he is a great tactician, he generally uses it on the fly.  He is not well known for just sitting back and planning unless with a team of some sorts.

How? That makes no sense. He's taken down Wolverine, Black Widow, Crossbones, stalemated Cap, Punisher, took on Ares, Iron Man, wrecker, head on, etc., you don't know anything about Winter Soldier.

 

Yes, with a team, because he's a leader, that doesn't mean he doesn't have the same capability alone, that's ridiculous. And he probably will have a team in this scenario. A team probably consisting of Wolverine, Hawkeye, and Bucky, which in this context is basically unstoppable.



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Posted 28 June 2013 - 02:54 PM

How? That makes no sense. He's taken down Wolverine, Black Widow, Crossbones, stalemated Cap, Punisher, took on Ares, Iron Man, wrecker, head on, etc., you don't know anything about Winter Soldier.

 

Yes, with a team, because he's a leader, that doesn't mean he doesn't have the same capability alone, that's ridiculous. And he probably will have a team in this scenario. A team probably consisting of Wolverine, Hawkeye, and Bucky, which in this context is basically unstoppable.

Because Bucky has consistently fought against this range of highly skilled opponents for less amount of time than the others. (hence less experience)

 

Thats right, it doesnt mean Cap does not have the same chance to plan but he generally doesnt when alone.  

 

As far as teams go Bats, Oliver, and Snake-eyes would probably team up because with Snake-eyes honor, he would easily align with Bats.  Snake-eyes also has the skills alone to challenge and possibly beat anyone here.

 

If the people form teams they would fight with each other for a time but afterwards, Bucky, Cap, Logan, and Hawkeye would have to fight.  Cap, Bucky, and Hawkeye would team against Logan to take out the most savage of there group.  Then Bucky and Hawkeye would team to beat Cap because neither could beat him alone.  Bucky would beat Hawkeye.  

 

I just see Snake-eyes being able to evade or attack and disappear to a high degree.  He could slice and dice any of them in H2H and his aim is good enough to rival any of them.  He is considered human but has dodged gunfire many times.



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Posted 28 June 2013 - 04:36 PM

I would say Snakeyes is the most well rounded in all weapons and skills out of everyone.  He may not be the best in any one area but formidable in all.


I would agree with that statement. He's a weapons master and expert in all small arms, all melee weapons, throwing weapons, and explosives. He's a master of dozens of martial art forms, as well as being a grand master of the Arashikage ninja clan. Due to his ninja training he can fight blind, dodge bullets(not aim), catch arrows, deflect bullets with his sword, move faster than the human eye can follow, , crush stone statues with his fists, and has demonstrated superhuman awareness and stealth. Furthermore he has a laundry list of military training including advanced infantry, ranger, long range scout recon, airborne training, and recondo school. Lastly he's an expert survivalist with expansive knowledge in desert, jungle, and arctic survival as well as mountaineering and underwater operations. He's survived helicopter crashes, building explosions, falling down an elevator shaft, being burned alive, and jumping out of a plane without a parachute and none of these things stopped him from completing his mission.

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 08:58 PM

Because Bucky has consistently fought against this range of highly skilled opponents for less amount of time than the others. (hence less experience)

 

Thats right, it doesnt mean Cap does not have the same chance to plan but he generally doesnt when alone.  

 

As far as teams go Bats, Oliver, and Snake-eyes would probably team up because with Snake-eyes honor, he would easily align with Bats.  Snake-eyes also has the skills alone to challenge and possibly beat anyone here.

 

If the people form teams they would fight with each other for a time but afterwards, Bucky, Cap, Logan, and Hawkeye would have to fight.  Cap, Bucky, and Hawkeye would team against Logan to take out the most savage of there group.  Then Bucky and Hawkeye would team to beat Cap because neither could beat him alone.  Bucky would beat Hawkeye.  

 

I just see Snake-eyes being able to evade or attack and disappear to a high degree.  He could slice and dice any of them in H2H and his aim is good enough to rival any of them.  He is considered human but has dodged gunfire many times.

Except that's simply not true. He's fought the same caliber of people as the others, for longer than everyone else except Wolverine.

 

Right, because Batman's ok with taking on unknown allies who he doesn't trust in a situation where there can only be one winner... And if anything, honor would make him ally with Cap. Also, there's no way Bucky would ally with Hawkeye vs. Cap, besides, I think Hawkeye's going to become a casualty by then anyway. This is going to be one last battle, The Winter Soldier vs. The First Avenger.



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Posted 28 June 2013 - 11:42 PM

Except that's simply not true. He's fought the same caliber of people as the others, for longer than everyone else except Wolverine.

 

Right, because Batman's ok with taking on unknown allies who he doesn't trust in a situation where there can only be one winner... And if anything, honor would make him ally with Cap. Also, there's no way Bucky would ally with Hawkeye vs. Cap, besides, I think Hawkeye's going to ebcome a casualty by then anyway. This is going to be one last battle, The Winter Soldier vs. The First Avenger.

thats your opinion on Bucky.  He just has not fought the intellectual caliber enemies as the rest.

 

Snake-eyes has the skills to beat both one on one and make it extremely difficult two on one



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Posted 29 June 2013 - 10:13 AM

thats your opinion on Bucky.  He just has not fought the intellectual caliber enemies as the rest.

 

Snake-eyes has the skills to beat both one on one and make it extremely difficult two on one

And you've done nothing to prove that. He's gone up against every bit the same caliber as anyone else here. Your "opinion" is nonsensical and unsubstantiated.

 

Snake Eyes definitely can't beat Cap one on one, and probably not Bucky. If you want someone who hasn't gone up against the same caliber opponents as the others, Snake Eyes is the prime candidate, not Bucky, but then again, you don't know anything about Bucky and just like saying false things that don't make any sense, so how could you see that?



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Posted 29 June 2013 - 12:05 PM

And you've done nothing to prove that. He's gone up against every bit the same caliber as anyone else here. Your "opinion" is nonsensical and unsubstantiated.
 
Snake Eyes definitely can't beat Cap one on one, and probably not Bucky. If you want someone who hasn't gone up against the same caliber opponents as the others, Snake Eyes is the prime candidate, not Bucky, but then again, you don't know anything about Bucky and just like saying false things that don't make any sense, so how could you see that?


Whoa, slow down turbo. What says Snake-eyes couldn't beat Cap, other than your opinion. Especially in this situation where Cap doesn't have his shield. Snake-eyes is equal if not a better martial artist, he's a master with every weapon here and he has speed/reflexes in cap's range. If Cap would beat him so handily prove it.

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 12:28 PM

Whoa, slow down turbo. What says Snake-eyes couldn't beat Cap, other than your opinion. Especially in this situation where Cap doesn't have his shield. Snake-eyes is equal if not a better martial artist, he's a master with every weapon here and he has speed/reflexes in cap's range. If Cap would beat him so handily prove it.

Captain America would beat Snake-Eyes quite handily.

Edit: On second thought, I actually think it would be a very close fight.



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Posted 29 June 2013 - 12:43 PM

Whoa, slow down turbo. What says Snake-eyes couldn't beat Cap, other than your opinion. Especially in this situation where Cap doesn't have his shield. Snake-eyes is equal if not a better martial artist, he's a master with every weapon here and he has speed/reflexes in cap's range. If Cap would beat him so handily prove it.

Snake Eyes isn't faster than Cap. Cap has high end bullet-timing feats too. Cap is stronger and smarter than Snake-Eyes, and consistently fights higher caliber opponents on a regular basis, and is skilled unarmed and with firearms. Snake-Eyes doesn't have a single advantage over Cap in a fight, how could he win? Wolverine could beat Snake-Eyes too.



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Posted 29 June 2013 - 01:25 PM

I didn't say faster, I said they were in the same range, meaning neither would have a distinct advantage based on that alone. As far as stronger, yes he has better lifting feats but that alone shouldn't be a decisive factor. Smarter in what way? Tactically he is better, but again not by a wide margin. Where Snake-eyes is at an advantage is his martial arts prowess. Cap is skilled armed or unarmed, but Snake-eyes is a master armed and unarmed. As I've already said Snake-eyes is a master with every weapon here and uses most of them on a regular basis.

Lastly just because Snake-eyes isn't in the Marvel/DC mainstream universes doesn't mean he hasn't faced quality opponents. He's faced starscream (the Transformer), Stormshadow (who has similar feats/skill), Agent Helix (who can memorize martial arts in minutes and see her opponents moves before they make them), wraith (who is a martial arts master, one of the deadliest mercenaries in the world, and has a suit that renders him completely invisible and is completely bulletproof.), Sei tin (who is a master swordsman and can hypnotize opponents with his eyes, Slice and Dice (who are telepathically linked master ninjas), the Hard Master, the Soft Master, (both Grand Masters of the Arashikage Clan), Firefly (another powerful ninja)Neo-vipers (who have 2x the reflexes and strength of a normal human, Cyborgs, Androids, Spetsnaz and SAS troops, and other Arashikage ninjas who wiped out U.N. forces without being touched.

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 01:35 PM

Also lets not mistake what I'm saying. I'm saying Snake-eyes CAN beat Cap, not that he would without a doubt. It's too close to call IMO. Each would win 5 out of 10.

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 07:49 PM

Snake like the rest of the Joes had help against the Decepticons from the Autobots.



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Posted 29 June 2013 - 08:00 PM

Snake Eyes isn't faster than Cap. Cap has high end bullet-timing feats too. Cap is stronger and smarter than Snake-Eyes, and consistently fights higher caliber opponents on a regular basis, and is skilled unarmed and with firearms. Snake-Eyes doesn't have a single advantage over Cap in a fight, how could he win? Wolverine could beat Snake-Eyes too.

Actually you can say Snake eyes has better and faster reflexes.  Snake eyes can deflect and cut bullets in half with his sword.

 

He has the skills to beat Logan or Cap in H2H or with weapons

 

 

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In one panel Snake eyes beats starscream by cutting his eye and tossing a grenade inside.



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Posted 30 June 2013 - 11:23 AM

Snake like the rest of the Joes had help against the Decepticons from the Autobots.


I have the scans at home if you want them. Snake-eyes takes on stars cream completely by himself and temporarily defeats him by ascertaining his weakest point, slicing open his optical sensors and shoving a grenade in.




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