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#1 tomisntblue

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 12:37 PM

Seeing as how the huge plot twist of in Iron Man 3 is such a polarizing topic that it has spread into three threads, I figure it would be nice to have a thread to corral all the arguing, and where we don't have to worry about spoiling it for anyone who hasn't seen it yet. 

 

FROM HERE ON OUT EVERYTHING WILL BE SPOILERS!

 

The Mandarin isn't real. He's an actor, highered by Adrian Killian in an effort to cover up the accidents caused by the unstable extrimis project by making the accidental explosions seem like terrorist attacks. And it was brilliant. 

 

 



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Posted 10 May 2013 - 12:48 PM

Exactly!

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 12:49 PM

Correctamundo!



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Posted 10 May 2013 - 12:52 PM

Righteous!



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Posted 10 May 2013 - 12:55 PM

I c wats going on here.

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 01:01 PM

Good debate so far. 



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Posted 10 May 2013 - 01:07 PM

Why does everyone call poor Alldrich Adrian? :(



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Posted 10 May 2013 - 01:10 PM

Huh? I thought something seemed wrong. Admittedly, I posted this after being on the Wolverine vs Killian thread, so the name was fresh in my mind.

 

I'm not fixing it... I will wear my mistake proudly.



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Posted 10 May 2013 - 01:14 PM

Huh? I thought something seemed wrong. Admittedly, I posted this after being on the Wolverine vs Killian thread, so the name was fresh in my mind.

 

I'm not fixing it... I will wear my mistake proudly.

Good. You can wear "highered" and "extrimis" proudly too.



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Posted 10 May 2013 - 03:18 PM

I just want to say that I'm super upset that they portrayed the mandarin the way they did, especially since every other super hero movie stays totally true to their comic books counterparts.



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Posted 10 May 2013 - 04:37 PM

I just want to say that I'm super upset that they portrayed the mandarin the way they did, especially since every other super hero movie stays totally true to their comic books counterparts.

 

There are times to stay true to the character and there are times that maybe you should take some liberties and The Mandarin was definitely one of those times. Since they announced Iron Man 1 I've been dreading The Mandarin showing up in the franchise. When the marketing for this movie happened I was deflated to find out the Mandarin would be the villain.

 

Favereau said during the Iron Man 1 press release that Mandarin was hard to write for (original plan was Mandarin in Iron Man 1 and Iron Monger in Iron Man 2 to build up Stains' character) and that he was a dated character. I couldn't agree more. Mandarin is a corny and border line offensively racist character designed for a bygone era. My friend said it best when he said The Mandarin is a C grade villain who just so happens to be the arch nemesis of an A grade hero.

 

The thing is this; when it comes to super hero movies good villains offer parallels to the heroes journey and development. You think of the Batman villains in the Nolanverse, the villains in the Raimi Spider Man movies (not 3, we need to not acknowledge 3). Magneto and  Charles in the X Men movies, they're all set up as fractured reflections of each other and and help build conflict and tension.

 

The Mandarin "as is" does nothing to delve into the things the Iron Man franchise has built, such as Stark's penchant for pageantry, his drinking problems, his relationship problems and in Iron Man 3 the fact that he is now an Avenger. Hell you even think of the great Iron Man comic stories in comics like Demon in a Bottle and there's 0 Mandarin involvement. Iron Man has had more interesting arcs with the likes of Dr. Doom and Norman Osbourne then he has with the Mandarin.

 

I mean the complaints of the twist at least to me seem so blindly loyal to tradition. Just because Stan Lee decided a goofy half Chinese mystic with ten power rings would be the PERFECT nemesis for a hardy partying alcoholic playboy billionaire in a futuristic robot suit  we're forced to accept that and no one can revise it? I'm all for being true to the source material, but sometimes you have to realize the source material is goofy as shit and may just need to be reworked.



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Posted 10 May 2013 - 06:15 PM

Film Mandarin works better for the world Marvel setup in those movies in my opinion. Their is a lot more with him that Marvel can work with. They did a Ironman animated movie using the Mandarin just like he was in the comics and that didn't go over well with people.



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Posted 10 May 2013 - 06:32 PM

Kate, you may have missed the sarcasm in my post.



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Posted 11 May 2013 - 01:44 AM

Hell you even think of the great Iron Man comic stories in comics like Demon in a Bottle and there's 0 Mandarin involvement. Iron Man has had more interesting arcs with the likes of Dr. Doom and Norman Osbourne then he has with the Mandarin.

Highly debatable. Ten Rings to Rule the World is one of the best Iron Man stories ever made and it has Mandarin as the main villain.

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 10:12 AM

Kate, you may have missed the sarcasm in my post.

SARCASM DOESN'T CARRY OVER THE INTERNET!



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Posted 13 May 2013 - 10:20 AM

It does for me.

The majority of the time.

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 10:22 AM

It does for me.

The majority of the time.

It really does. I swear you show up, be sarcastic, then leave. Like a trolly batman.



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Posted 13 May 2013 - 10:41 AM

I'm Batman. F Nova.



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Posted 13 May 2013 - 11:09 AM

Come at me bro.



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Posted 13 May 2013 - 04:53 PM

It does for me.

The majority of the time.

Well that is your thing, but someone who doesn't have that reputation, the sarcasm gets lost in cyberspace. 






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