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Poll: Team Kevin D Wolf vs. Team Zreth (14 member(s) have cast votes)

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  1. Team Kevin D Wolf (7 votes [50.00%])

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#61 Zreth

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Posted 22 November 2009 - 05:50 PM

She's not controlling Slanaash. She'd be lucky not to be left a husk after attempting to summon Slanaash. It would be one of the worst moves of her career.

Well yes but it won't be the real Slaanesh it's just a copy with the power but not the mind it would be under her control.

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Posted 22 November 2009 - 05:51 PM

Well it's a tie now.

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Posted 22 November 2009 - 06:02 PM

Can anyone tell me how strong Ultimecia will be if she Junctions with Slaanesh.

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Posted 22 November 2009 - 06:03 PM

She'd be a god. However, I'm afraid even the copy of Slaanesh would drive her insane. I'd suggest not even trying to bring anything Slaanesh related to existence. Besides, Slaanesh is the god of desire. Ultimecia has a lot of that and "Those who yield to temptation becomes her slaves."

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Posted 22 November 2009 - 06:05 PM

She'd be a god. However, I'm afraid even the copy of Slanaash would drive her insane.

Hmmm...Well I don't want a crazy Ultimecia slaughtering her teammates so what else would Eldar be afraid of?

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Posted 22 November 2009 - 06:08 PM

She's not controlling Slanaash. She'd be lucky not to be left a husk of incoherent worthless jibberish after attempting to summon Slanaash. It would be one of the worst moves of her career.

It would be the last move of her career...

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Posted 22 November 2009 - 06:11 PM

Well I guess she can just pull out what he would think of as the most powerful thing and use that.

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Posted 22 November 2009 - 06:13 PM

Yeah, that would probably be one of the Chao gods. End of story.

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Posted 22 November 2009 - 06:14 PM

Well I guess she can just pull out what he would think of as the most powerful thing and use that.

That would be Slaanesh... The Warp God would then come forth and devour both of their minds, bodies and souls... and then if the whim struck him he would continue to devour the other fighters...

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Posted 22 November 2009 - 06:16 PM

That would be Slaanesh... The Warp God would then come forth and devour both of their minds, bodies and souls... and then if the whim struck him he would continue to devour the other fighters...

Okay, so if Ultimecia makes a copy Slaanesh nobody wins...So what if she pulls some random thing that he fears out of his mind and uses that.

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Posted 22 November 2009 - 06:16 PM

:P

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Posted 22 November 2009 - 06:17 PM

:P

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Posted 22 November 2009 - 06:18 PM

Okay, so if Ultimecia makes a copy Slaanesh nobody wins...So what if she pulls some random thing that he fears out of his mind and uses that.

All the things that he fears would probably pwn half of everyone's teams if your lucky...

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Posted 22 November 2009 - 06:20 PM

All the things that he fears would probably pwn half of everyone's teams if your lucky...

Okay so since Junction'ing with something will end horribly so lets go back to time stop or reality warping.

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Posted 22 November 2009 - 06:24 PM

Oh wait she can just make a Greiver and become Junction Greiver Ultimecia.

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Posted 22 November 2009 - 06:25 PM

Okay so since Junction'ing with something will end horribly so lets go back to time stop or reality warping.

According to this it wouldn't be that good for her.

As she would then be face to face with him, in any sense of the fight. It says nothing about having Dr.Zoom like Time Manipulation. And As for Reality Altering, well it appears that she is restricted to basic spell magics, in addition to her ability to form creatures from her enemies subconsciousness.

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Posted 22 November 2009 - 06:28 PM

According to this it wouldn't be that good for her.

As she would then be face to face with him, in any sense of the fight. It says nothing about having Dr.Zoom like Time Manipulation. And As for Reality Altering, well it appears that she is restricted to basic spell magics, in addition to her ability to form creatures from her enemies subconsciousness.

Well actually her Time Manipulation should be far better then Prof.Zoom seeing she dosen't have to think to do it more like a simple part of her will she is like one with time. For reality alteration how about her matter manipulation her spells are just like the easy way out to do things.

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Posted 22 November 2009 - 06:37 PM

Let's analyze her powers...


"Ultimecia is an immensely powerful and highly developed Sorceress with her personal power focusing on time and space manipulation. This power is shown in the final battle, where she will often cast spells that involve bending space, such as Bio, Quake, and Meteor or absorb fallen party members into time in the battle against her. Furthermore, she has a devastating magical attack that is similar to Heartless Angel called Hell's Judgement. With Hell's Judgement, Ultimecia can reduce the entire party's health to one point, and she employs it very often in the final battle."

So she can use Bio, Quake, and Meteor, or pull fighters into time to specifically fight her face to face... Then there's more magic.


"Ultimecia also has the ability to manifest and give life to subconscious thoughts and inanimate objects. This includes giving life to Guardian Forces and powerful monsters that did not exist before she created them. For example, Ultimecia manifested and extracted Griever from Squall's subconscious mind. She found Griever to be Squall's conception of the most powerful force that could exist and brought him to life for battle against Squall himself."

Then there's the option that we've all ruled out...


"Moreover, there is her ability to cast Time Compression, which she used to begin absorbing all existence. She additionally has the ability to invade, possess and control an individual's mind; allowing her to steal thoughts, knowledge and magic. She is also able to use this ability on herself. For example, after she transforms into her ultimate form, Ultimecia reaches into her own mind, and manifests what in her mind is the ultimate Black Magic spell, Apocalypse. Her ability to manipulate objects and matter has also led to some interesting Junction forms."

First there is her Time Compression, this would not help as she would require... time... to pull it off. Second is her mental powers, which although great in a place where it is not that common, does not give her any edge over a person that Excells at it in a universe that has such people in abundance.


"Ultimecia has also demonstrated a keen strategic and diplomatic mind, such as being able to convince the President of Galbadia to employ her as the nation's diplomat as well as enticing Seifer Almasy, normally a hostile youth, to devote himself to her. In Dissidia Final Fantasy she also casually manipulates Kuja into performing for her ends. She is then seen trying to convince Sephiroth to join her and Emperor Mateus in their quest of taking control of the world from Chaos and Cosmos. Her intellect is also demonstrated by her sheer ability to conceive time paradoxes and work within them to attain her goals of a time and world compressed into what she conceives to be a perfect world."

So, this is a fight, but aside from that Eldrad has himself negotiated with Humanity... Humanity in 40K is a Very, very Xenophobic species... Yet he was able to speak with some of it's leaders from time to time, and had it not been for the corruption of Chaos, would have succeeded with his negotiations.

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Posted 22 November 2009 - 06:43 PM

That didn't really display all she can do Ultimecia has shown capable of stopping time compression is diffrent it is when all time is compressed meaning there is no past or present or future just one single moment also when she sucks someone in time it means the are gone for good. Her reality manipulation doesn't just single out as one thing she has been seen to bend space and create objects into nothing. Also in there it also stated she can manipulate matter and yes she can very well. She has also shown the abillity recently to change her shape. Anyways what did you mean she would require time to pull it off she has all the time she needs she is practicaly time.

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Posted 22 November 2009 - 06:48 PM

Skirmisher, You're going to have to play a game with Ultimecia to see what she can do when and if you do you'll see that no matter how powerful of a Psychic you are it's not worth much against her.




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