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Posted 20 April 2013 - 07:18 PM


 

 

 


Ignorance? So now we resort to cracks lol. You calling me ignorant doesn't make you any more right than you were.

And it's silk not as impressive as Darevil throwing a baton through glass that can take the same hits from Punishers rocket launcher, which was the entire point.

No, it says that he underestimated the strength of the door. He was being serious, it was funny to the reader because of the deadpan.

That says that the sarcophagus isn't heavy, not that Man Bats is strong. If you actually looked up the capabilities of the creatures you're talking about, the Man-Bat serum doesn't give it's users amplified strength. Toppling 3,000 pounds isn't a superhuman feat, it's called how torque works. Toppling that sarcophagus is about 3 times easier than pushing it, which in turn is far easier than lifting it. Except that Daredevil isn't vulnerable to light. At all. Since he's blind. As in, he can't see.

-Against a hostile human, quite a bit.
-That literally does not make any sense. Black Panther used redirection and skill to keep the Silver Surfer in a headlock I guess.
-How did he knock Green Lantern out? All I see is the rope wrapping around his wrist. I think you missed a scan.
- He doesn't have to move anywhere near FTL to react faster than Batman, since Batman's reflexes are nowhere near light speed. It's a one-time feat, he wouldn't be able to do that again. Daredevil's gone up against the Fantastic Four before, other than that I don't think he's been up against a team of heroes. He has beaten people who have though, like the Punisher and Iron Fist.

 

 

 

 

Yeah, you're right that was my bad.

 

In the scan I posted, Batman has inhaled poison gas, and is still breathing it in. Yet he puts a massive crack in the glass. It is safe to assume that under normal circumstances the glass would shatter.

 

Stuff like this really can't be debated, I think he wasn't being serious, you think he was. But here's another scan.

 

batman656-manbatswing.jpg

 

Spins a 600 lb man-bat around his head, easily.

 

Read any wiki, the serum DOES grant enhanced strength. Or, read the comics.

 

Yes, he wouldn't be able to duplicate said feat, but it was still damn impressive, plain and simple.

 

As for opponents, Batman fights Deathstroke, Bronze Tiger, the monster men, and goes up against super humans all the time.



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Posted 20 April 2013 - 08:59 PM

You clearly either don't know much about Daredevil or are ignoring all the feats as well as scans people have posted. You keep ignoring everything people have brought up regarding Daredevil. Daredevil has fought the Avengers ( I showed one scan of that fight. There is more to that fight actually), Hulk, Omega Red, Sabretooth, Psylocke,  Black Panther, Captain America, Spiderman,  Symbote Spiderman, Sinister Six, The Avengers, and more. All people who would defeat and some own Batman's ass.

 

Daredevil's speed and reflexes are right near superhuman level possibly on it. Batman's is not and he has not shown any speed feat near those levels. Daredevil has a lot more experience fighting more powerful foes then Batman, Daredevil has shown to be better then Batman in tactics as well as improvisation, Daredevil has fought Batman level fighters to a standstill, and more. 

 

Seriously the debate is going nowhere. When one side (Thanos) Is being completely biased. 


Thanos you started throwing about ignorance first by the way when you got annoyed.



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Posted 20 April 2013 - 09:17 PM

You clearly either don't know much about Daredevil or are ignoring all the feats as well as scans people have posted. You keep ignoring everything people have brought up regarding Daredevil. Daredevil has fought the Avengers ( I showed one scan of that fight. There is more to that fight actually), Hulk, Omega Red, Sabretooth, Psylocke,  Black Panther, Captain America, Spiderman,  Symbote Spiderman, Sinister Six, The Avengers, and more. All people who would defeat and some own Batman's ass.

 

Daredevil's speed and reflexes are right near superhuman level possibly on it. Batman's is not and he has not shown any speed feat near those levels. Daredevil has a lot more experience fighting more powerful foes then Batman, Daredevil has shown to be better then Batman in tactics as well as improvisation, Daredevil has fought Batman level fighters to a standstill, and more. 

 

Seriously the debate is going nowhere. When one side (Thanos) Is being completely biased. 


Thanos you started throwing about ignorance first by the way when you got annoyed.

 

Yeah, even though the group of super heroes I showed him take on would own Daredevil's ass for sure. Yes Daredevil is faster. I did not ignore said scans. Daredevil is a stone cold badass, and this would be the toughest fight of Batman's life. But you're being more biased than me. Everything I say is backed up by evidence and scans. Daredevil would get owned by Deathstroke, but Batman is able to give him an incredibly tough fight.

 

I must be the one ignoring scans. Daredevil's speed feats are damn impressive, and I was surprised when I saw that level of speed. But I showed Batman punching bullets, dodging sniper and handgun fire, and blocking machine gun fire. So yes, on that level. 

 

I don't feel like sifting through and posting the individual scans, so have fun finding out how wrong you are about tactics.

 

http://batmanfeats.b...egytactics.html

 

You're the one who started acting like a prick. I backed up my statements with scans, and you called me a fanboy and biased. At least Force was civil, even when I slipped up and was a prick.



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Posted 21 April 2013 - 01:40 AM

Ignorance? So now we resort to cracks lol. You calling me ignorant doesn't make you any more right than you were.

And it's silk not as impressive as Darevil throwing a baton through glass that can take the same hits from Punishers rocket launcher, which was the entire point.

No, it says that he underestimated the strength of the door. He was being serious, it was funny to the reader because of the deadpan.

That says that the sarcophagus isn't heavy, not that Man Bats is strong. If you actually looked up the capabilities of the creatures you're talking about, the Man-Bat serum doesn't give it's users amplified strength. Toppling 3,000 pounds isn't a superhuman feat, it's called how torque works. Toppling that sarcophagus is about 3 times easier than pushing it, which in turn is far easier than lifting it. Except that Daredevil isn't vulnerable to light. At all. Since he's blind. As in, he can't see.

-Against a hostile human, quite a bit.
-That literally does not make any sense. Black Panther used redirection and skill to keep the Silver Surfer in a headlock I guess.
-How did he knock Green Lantern out? All I see is the rope wrapping around his wrist. I think you missed a scan.
- He doesn't have to move anywhere near FTL to react faster than Batman, since Batman's reflexes are nowhere near light speed. It's a one-time feat, he wouldn't be able to do that again. Daredevil's gone up against the Fantastic Four before, other than that I don't think he's been up against a team of heroes. He has beaten people who have though, like the Punisher and Iron Fist.

 

 

 

 

Yeah, you're right that was my bad.

 

In the scan I posted, Batman has inhaled poison gas, and is still breathing it in. Yet he puts a massive crack in the glass. It is safe to assume that under normal circumstances the glass would shatter.

 

Stuff like this really can't be debated, I think he wasn't being serious, you think he was. But here's another scan.

 

batman656-manbatswing.jpg

 

Spins a 600 lb man-bat around his head, easily.

 

Read any wiki, the serum DOES grant enhanced strength. Or, read the comics.

 

Yes, he wouldn't be able to duplicate said feat, but it was still damn impressive, plain and simple.

 

As for opponents, Batman fights Deathstroke, Bronze Tiger, the monster men, and goes up against super humans all the time.

 

That's an assumption, one you can't prove, so it doesn't really have any basis.

 

Still not as impressive as say- using a tire and an engine to destroy a mac truck-

 

1900842-daredevil_v1__2_electro.cbr___pa

 

To deform a tire like that, and to propel a 600 pound car engine fast enough to destroy a truck, that's incredible strength.

 

"Read any wiki". Ok. Robert Langstrom (Man-Bat) powers: Transformation, Flight, Claws, Echolocation. No superhuman strength, speed, anything.

 

It is impressive, but it hinges on the fact that the JLA vastly underestimated him/ didn't take him seriously, something Daredevil's probably not going to be doing. 

 

And so does Daredevil. Your point?



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Posted 21 April 2013 - 06:29 AM

That's an assumption, one you can't prove, so it doesn't really have any basis.

 

Still not as impressive as say- using a tire and an engine to destroy a mac truck-

 

1900842-daredevil_v1__2_electro.cbr___pa

 

To deform a tire like that, and to propel a 600 pound car engine fast enough to destroy a truck, that's incredible strength.

 

"Read any wiki". Ok. Robert Langstrom (Man-Bat) powers: Transformation, Flight, Claws, Echolocation. No superhuman strength, speed, anything.

 

It is impressive, but it hinges on the fact that the JLA vastly underestimated him/ didn't take him seriously, something Daredevil's probably not going to be doing. 

 

And so does Daredevil. Your point?

 

No, not really. The scan says that Batman has no air. In a real fight, you release air whenever you throw a punch. So without any air, he would be severely weakened and handicapped. 

 

Actually, throwing someone through a missile reinforced door is more impressive. And since Batman used his legs to push a train car (which can weigh up to 140 tons loaded, 30 unloaded) he could easily mishape the tire into a slingshot.

 

http://batman.wikia.com/wiki/Man-Bat

http://en.wikipedia....s_and_abilities

http://www.comicvine...-bat/4005-6131/

 

Daredevil's not MM, or Flash, or Aguaman.

 

But DD would get his ass stomped by Deathstroke.

 

I am having fun seeing all these amazing feats from both characters, however.



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Posted 21 April 2013 - 09:20 AM

Dear fellow ferreters. One way of proving that either combatant (i.e; Bats or DD) has an experience set based on the quality of opponents they have beaten, whether it was a 1 on 1, or whether it was catching an overtly powerful opponent(s) by surprise, thereby surpassing the opponent's speed, and senses, and beating them in the quickets, elementary method.

 

In that DD has no waiver over Bats. Period. I just cited one instance of Bats downing 2 of the most skilled, and undoubtedly powerful opponents, which I truly believe DD has not done, in any context whatsoever. He did it too, in his most basic element.

 

You could go ahead and disprove that, by producung two DD feats that even remotely touch that level and we will say 'game is a foot' after that. WIthout that comparitive stat, or instance, in any element may it be, the whole argument titling on DD pressing 400 or a ton, or Bats pushing 1 ton+, or using this gadget or that, are 'additions' to the argument. Lets see DD's quality of opponents and go from there.

 

To remind everyone, one of Bats oppponents I mentiond on the post kept footing easily, with 3 opponents at once, namely Superman, Orion and Manhunter. Withstanding such an opponent even for a minute would be a tremendous feat, and one which clearly puts a fighter's experience at a new level, which Bats is. Lets go from there ma good bros.



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Posted 21 April 2013 - 10:09 AM

Dear fellow ferreters. One way of proving that either combatant (i.e; Bats or DD) has an experience set based on the quality of opponents they have beaten, whether it was a 1 on 1, or whether it was catching an overtly powerful opponent(s) by surprise, thereby surpassing the opponent's speed, and senses, and beating them in the quickets, elementary method.

 

In that DD has no waiver over Bats. Period. I just cited one instance of Bats downing 2 of the most skilled, and undoubtedly powerful opponents, which I truly believe DD has not done, in any context whatsoever. He did it too, in his most basic element.

 

You could go ahead and disprove that, by producung two DD feats that even remotely touch that level and we will say 'game is a foot' after that. WIthout that comparitive stat, or instance, in any element may it be, the whole argument titling on DD pressing 400 or a ton, or Bats pushing 1 ton+, or using this gadget or that, are 'additions' to the argument. Lets see DD's quality of opponents and go from there.

 

To remind everyone, one of Bats oppponents I mentiond on the post kept footing easily, with 3 opponents at once, namely Superman, Orion and Manhunter. Withstanding such an opponent even for a minute would be a tremendous feat, and one which clearly puts a fighter's experience at a new level, which Bats is. Lets go from there ma good bros.

 

 I would like to see the scan were he takes on Tiger and the General. And in Red Hood, he battles Amazo with some help from NIghtwing.



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Posted 21 April 2013 - 10:47 AM

Daredevil, get stomped by Deathstroke? Lol. That's a fight that could go either way, with the odds in 'Stroke's favor. I've seen Deathstroke getting taken down by random mercs and Chinese Militia squads.

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 10:56 AM

Yeah, even though the group of super heroes I showed him take on would own Daredevil's ass for sure. Yes Daredevil is faster. I did not ignore said scans. Daredevil is a stone cold badass, and this would be the toughest fight of Batman's life. But you're being more biased than me. Everything I say is backed up by evidence and scans. Daredevil would get owned by Deathstroke, but Batman is able to give him an incredibly tough fight.

 

I must be the one ignoring scans. Daredevil's speed feats are damn impressive, and I was surprised when I saw that level of speed. But I showed Batman punching bullets, dodging sniper and handgun fire, and blocking machine gun fire. So yes, on that level. 

 

I don't feel like sifting through and posting the individual scans, so have fun finding out how wrong you are about tactics.

 

http://batmanfeats.b...egytactics.html

 

You're the one who started acting like a prick. I backed up my statements with scans, and you called me a fanboy and biased. At least Force was civil, even when I slipped up and was a prick.

Actually no I have been civil. But when people start being biased toward a character like you are here. Your going to get called on it. That's it. You may continue your debate with Force.

 

 

Daredevil, get stomped by Deathstroke? Lol. That's a fight that could go either way, with the odds in 'Stroke's favor. I've seen Deathstroke getting taken down by random mercs and Chinese Militia squads.

LOL the fact he thinks Daredevil would get stomped shows lack of knowledge about Daredevil on his part or he is ignoring everything being said about Daredevil again. I agree that battle could go either way between the two.



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Posted 21 April 2013 - 03:07 PM

Actually no I have been civil. But when people start being biased toward a character like you are here. Your going to get called on it. That's it. You may continue your debate with Force.

 

 

LOL the fact he thinks Daredevil would get stomped shows lack of knowledge about Daredevil on his part or he is ignoring everything being said about Daredevil again. I agree that battle could go either way between the two.

 

It was a poor choice of words. By stomp I didn't mean stomp in the literal sense, but that Stroke would win. And I'm tired of you calling me biased. This is bias: LOL BaTman Kills him LOL. This is not. Impressive scan, but here is one topping/equaling it. Are you just pissy that you can't debate. Your argument consisted of "DD fights tougher people" and when I disproved that, you called me biased.



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Posted 21 April 2013 - 03:11 PM

It's absolutely hilarious, that people here are talking about the other side being biased, considering that the arguments on both sides, at this point, are relying heavily on PIS and Comics Mechanics, rather than the actual capabilities of the characters.

 

I tried reading backwards through the pages of the debate, but I got bored before I got to a point where people were not showing bias.



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Posted 21 April 2013 - 03:19 PM

It's absolutely hilarious, that people here are talking about the other side being biased, considering that the arguments on both sides, at this point, are relying heavily on PIS and Comics Mechanics, rather than the actual capabilities of the characters.

 

I tried reading backwards through the pages of the debate, but I got bored before I got to a point where people were not showing bias.

 

I'll admit that I have used it before, but a despise the use of PIS. It is a dangerous line to cross to say that you can decide what falls inside a characters abilities above the comics. Kind of arrogant too.



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Posted 21 April 2013 - 05:19 PM

It was a poor choice of words. By stomp I didn't mean stomp in the literal sense, but that Stroke would win. And I'm tired of you calling me biased. This is bias: LOL BaTman Kills him LOL. This is not. Impressive scan, but here is one topping/equaling it. Are you just pissy that you can't debate. Your argument consisted of "DD fights tougher people" and when I disproved that, you called me biased.

Go back and look a couple of pages. I posted reasons why Daredevil would win regarding his abilities and skills. I could even go back and requote them. I talked about his abilities and skills. I brought up who he has fought because people wanted to talk about who Batman has fought but ignore Daredevil's list of fighters he has fought. You kept bringing up Batman's list of fighters he fought and all his feats but didn't pay attention to some of Daredevil's which I showed you. 

 

 

 

It's absolutely hilarious, that people here are talking about the other side being biased, considering that the arguments on both sides, at this point, are relying heavily on PIS and Comics Mechanics, rather than the actual capabilities of the characters.

 

I tried reading backwards through the pages of the debate, but I got bored before I got to a point where people were not showing bias.

Heh...you could just say me Methos if you are talking about me or are you referring to someone else? Honestly we have been debating for 12 long pages. Maybe I am losing it. I would love to have heard your stance on things. Also I did try addressing the capabilities of Daredevil to be fair. Thanos and Baneblade did to there credit about Batman in all fairness.


As far as PIS and comic mechanics true depending on which ones your talking about that were brought up. 



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Posted 21 April 2013 - 06:22 PM

Dear fellow ferreters. One way of proving that either combatant (i.e; Bats or DD) has an experience set based on the quality of opponents they have beaten, whether it was a 1 on 1, or whether it was catching an overtly powerful opponent(s) by surprise, thereby surpassing the opponent's speed, and senses, and beating them in the quickets, elementary method.

 

In that DD has no waiver over Bats. Period. I just cited one instance of Bats downing 2 of the most skilled, and undoubtedly powerful opponents, which I truly believe DD has not done, in any context whatsoever. He did it too, in his most basic element.

 

You could go ahead and disprove that, by producung two DD feats that even remotely touch that level and we will say 'game is a foot' after that. WIthout that comparitive stat, or instance, in any element may it be, the whole argument titling on DD pressing 400 or a ton, or Bats pushing 1 ton+, or using this gadget or that, are 'additions' to the argument. Lets see DD's quality of opponents and go from there.

 

To remind everyone, one of Bats oppponents I mentiond on the post kept footing easily, with 3 opponents at once, namely Superman, Orion and Manhunter. Withstanding such an opponent even for a minute would be a tremendous feat, and one which clearly puts a fighter's experience at a new level, which Bats is. Lets go from there ma good bros.

 

Except that you haven't provided any context or scan or anything of said feat. There's no way that Batman can take out The General and the Bronze Tiger down simultaneously when he was taken down by each one by themselves. 



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Posted 21 April 2013 - 06:29 PM

No, not really. The scan says that Batman has no air. In a real fight, you release air whenever you throw a punch. So without any air, he would be severely weakened and handicapped. 

 

Actually, throwing someone through a missile reinforced door is more impressive. And since Batman used his legs to push a train car (which can weigh up to 140 tons loaded, 30 unloaded) he could easily mishape the tire into a slingshot.

 

http://batman.wikia.com/wiki/Man-Bat

http://en.wikipedia....s_and_abilities

http://www.comicvine...-bat/4005-6131/

 

Daredevil's not MM, or Flash, or Aguaman.

 

But DD would get his ass stomped by Deathstroke.

 

I am having fun seeing all these amazing feats from both characters, however.

 

You have no idea how much. Saying that he could break the window is pure speculation. A lot of materials, including bulletproof windows, show cracks far before they shatter.

 

Throwing someone through a door that wasn't actually missile-reinforced is not more impressive than throwing a baton through a confirmed missile-proof window.No, he can't, a tire has a tensile strength of 3,500 pounds per square inch, and Daredevil stretched that tire a good 2 to 3 feet, enough to literally destroy a MAC truck and halt it's forward momentum. And Batman said that his max leg press is 3500 pounds in that same scan, so he can't press more than 3500 pounds. And heads up, rolling something with wheels is no indication of how much power you can put out with that muscle group. I can push a car so I guess I can lift 2 tons. Hey guys, I'm the strongest man in the world.

 

I doubt Man-bat has ever shown any superhuman strength or speed feats. In either case, beating 100 MGH-enhanced assassins in 3 minutes is still more impressive than 18 Man-Bats. I was just reading a newly-released 80 page Batman special in which Man-Bat-ness is infecting Gotham. Batgirl was able to take one out with a single punch.

 

And he won't be as stupid as those three when fighting Batman either. 

 

No, he wouldn't. Also, when has Batman defeated Deathstroke? Maybe once? Twice, Deathstroke has been able to EASILY beat Batman within an inch of his life. So it's not like Batman can consistently beat Deathstroke either.



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Posted 21 April 2013 - 06:43 PM

Batman beat Deathstroke with help from Nightwing and Tim. I don't think he has ever beaten him one on one. If I am wrong then someone can post scans. I know Nightwing has because Nightwing has done far better against foes like Bane and Deathstroke.



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Posted 21 April 2013 - 07:00 PM

You have no idea how much. Saying that he could break the window is pure speculation. A lot of materials, including bulletproof windows, show cracks far before they shatter.

 

Throwing someone through a door that wasn't actually missile-reinforced is not more impressive than throwing a baton through a confirmed missile-proof window.No, he can't, a tire has a tensile strength of 3,500 pounds per square inch, and Daredevil stretched that tire a good 2 to 3 feet, enough to literally destroy a MAC truck and halt it's forward momentum. And Batman said that his max leg press is 3500 pounds in that same scan, so he can't press more than 3500 pounds. And heads up, rolling something with wheels is no indication of how much power you can put out with that muscle group. I can push a car so I guess I can lift 2 tons. Hey guys, I'm the strongest man in the world.

 

I doubt Man-bat has ever shown any superhuman strength or speed feats. In either case, beating 100 MGH-enhanced assassins in 3 minutes is still more impressive than 18 Man-Bats. I was just reading a newly-released 80 page Batman special in which Man-Bat-ness is infecting Gotham. Batgirl was able to take one out with a single punch.

 

And he won't be as stupid as those three when fighting Batman either. 

 

No, he wouldn't. Also, when has Batman defeated Deathstroke? Maybe once? Twice, Deathstroke has been able to beat Batman within an inch of his life. So it's not like Batman can consistently beat Deathstroke either.

 

Nothing short of a bazooka could crack the window. It is not "pure speculation" it's basic logic. He would hit harder when not air-deprived.

 

Throwing someone through a door that was missile reinforced is more impressive. As is easily whirling 600 pounds around ones head.

 

Admit you were wrong, I posted the data.

 

I think it is. The Man-Bats were stronger. And in any case, Batman handles mobs of gorilla super soldiers.

 

True, but the point stands that DD has never fought opponents of that caliber.

 

Batman has one-shotted Deathstroke in the Superman Batman annual. And in the most famous of their fights Deathstroke barely wins. After the fight he is so badly injured that soon afterwards he is beaten down by a normal shmuck. He also comments that Batman was the toughest opponent he ever fought.

 

Oh, and here's Batman ripping open a vault door.

 

http://i289.photobuc...k/batvault8.jpg

http://i289.photobuc...k/batvault9.jpg

 

Here he easily tears a chain off a radiator.

 

http://i289.photobuc...k/batchain1.jpg

 

Here Batman drags a Cape Buffalo to the ground.

 

http://i289.photobuc...tvstampede2.jpg

 

So what else you got?



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Posted 21 April 2013 - 09:34 PM

Nothing short of a bazooka could crack the window. It is not "pure speculation" it's basic logic. He would hit harder when not air-deprived.

 

Throwing someone through a door that was missile reinforced is more impressive. As is easily whirling 600 pounds around ones head.

 

Admit you were wrong, I posted the data.

 

I think it is. The Man-Bats were stronger. And in any case, Batman handles mobs of gorilla super soldiers.

 

True, but the point stands that DD has never fought opponents of that caliber.

 

Batman has one-shotted Deathstroke in the Superman Batman annual. And in the most famous of their fights Deathstroke barely wins. After the fight he is so badly injured that soon afterwards he is beaten down by a normal shmuck. He also comments that Batman was the toughest opponent he ever fought.

 

Oh, and here's Batman ripping open a vault door.

 

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Here he easily tears a chain off a radiator.

 

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Here Batman drags a Cape Buffalo to the ground.

 

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So what else you got?

 

Yeah, but how do you know he could hit hard enough to shatter it? The gap in terms of force required between cracking it and shattering it is huge. Bulletproof glass can crack after one hit with a bullet, but it won't shatter until it's under heavy sustained fire.

 

Except that the door was not reinforced with missiles. And whirling 600 pounds is definitely not more impressive than shattering diamond, flipping a limo, or really any of the scans I posted.

 

The DC wiki says otherwise. Besides, if you can't show superhuman feats of Man-Bat then the wikis are contradicted anyway.

 

Do you even know what I'm talking about, or what MGH is? Can you prove that the Man-Bats were stronger? Patriot using MGH was able to take on bullets like nothing, an explosion that blew the shit out of 5 floors of a skyscraper, and was stronger, faster, and more durable than Captain America. In Iron Man #33-34 individuals juiced up on MGH were able to take on and provide a genuine threat to Iron Man.

 

And Daredevil in that position could conceivably do the same thing. Just because he hasn't been put in the same situation doesn't mean he can't do it.

 

Really? I want to see this, because I do not remember Deathstroke in Superman Batman.

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This is not "barely" beating Batman. This is brutally beating the shit out of him and leaving him for dead. Deathstroke beat Batman another time also. 

 

Daredevil was able to open Kingpin's vault, something Spider-Man struggled with, in Daredevil #43.

 

Ripping a chain off? That's cool. Not as cool as bending and twisting steel bars. 

 

And Daredevil can easily take out two tigers and fend off a lion in Daredevil #22. 



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Posted 22 April 2013 - 05:26 AM

Yeah, but how do you know he could hit hard enough to shatter it? The gap in terms of force required between cracking it and shattering it is huge. Bulletproof glass can crack after one hit with a bullet, but it won't shatter until it's under heavy sustained fire.

 

Except that the door was not reinforced with missiles. And whirling 600 pounds is definitely not more impressive than shattering diamond, flipping a limo, or really any of the scans I posted.

 

The DC wiki says otherwise. Besides, if you can't show superhuman feats of Man-Bat then the wikis are contradicted anyway.

 

Do you even know what I'm talking about, or what MGH is? Can you prove that the Man-Bats were stronger? Patriot using MGH was able to take on bullets like nothing, an explosion that blew the shit out of 5 floors of a skyscraper, and was stronger, faster, and more durable than Captain America. In Iron Man #33-34 individuals juiced up on MGH were able to take on and provide a genuine threat to Iron Man.

 

And Daredevil in that position could conceivably do the same thing. Just because he hasn't been put in the same situation doesn't mean he can't do it.

 

Really? I want to see this, because I do not remember Deathstroke in Superman Batman.

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This is not "barely" beating Batman. This is brutally beating the shit out of him and leaving him for dead. Deathstroke beat Batman another time also. 

 

Daredevil was able to open Kingpin's vault, something Spider-Man struggled with, in Daredevil #43.

 

Ripping a chain off? That's cool. Not as cool as bending and twisting steel bars. 

 

And Daredevil can easily take out two tigers and fend off a lion in Daredevil #22. 

 

Because it was cracking more and more with every punch.

 

Except it was. And holding up a massive sarcophagus with one arm while supporting another is just as impressive.

 

And I posted 3 proving you wrong. Just concede that point.

 

I can't prove that Man-Bat is stronger. But I would like to see the scan of Daredevil beating 100 MGH enhanced individuals.

 

Want to see directly after that fight?

 

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This guy had been sitting in a freezer for a few hours, and this occurs after their fight.

 

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And here's the one shot.

 

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Okay.

 

And earlier I posted Batman ripping steel bars right out of the wall.

 

There is a difference in using pure strength to drag a buffalo to the ground and fighting big cats, which Batman does all the time.



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Posted 22 April 2013 - 04:24 PM

Because it was cracking more and more with every punch.

 

Except it was. And holding up a massive sarcophagus with one arm while supporting another is just as impressive.

 

And I posted 3 proving you wrong. Just concede that point.

 

I can't prove that Man-Bat is stronger. But I would like to see the scan of Daredevil beating 100 MGH enhanced individuals.

 

Want to see directly after that fight?

 

batvsdstroke-ds7.jpg

 

This guy had been sitting in a freezer for a few hours, and this occurs after their fight.

 

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And here's the one shot.

 

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Okay.

 

And earlier I posted Batman ripping steel bars right out of the wall.

 

There is a difference in using pure strength to drag a buffalo to the ground and fighting big cats, which Batman does all the time.

 

Still can't prove that he could have broken it otherwise, it's pure speculation, plain and simple.

 

No, it wasn't. The guy plainly said that it wasn't. Just because you THINK he was joking doesn't mean jack shit. Wtf? Holding up two 3,000 pound sarcophaguses is nowhere near as impressive as shattering diamond with an iron wrecking ball or flipping a 14,000 pound limo. Holding an object from falling is far easier than lifting it. Again, a normal person could easily take one end of a car on their shoulders, doesn't mean they can lift 2 tons. Even if he did lift both sarcophaguses, that's still not as impressive as shattering diamond or flipping something that weighs 6-7 tons. Nowhere near. That's just simple common sense.

 

Nope. Show me some scans of superhuman feats from Man-Bat. If the comics don't reaffirm it, it's not true. Batgirl was able to easily oneshot a Man-Bat, I'm pretty sure they are not superhuman.

 

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It doesn't matter, he still kicked Batman's ass during the fight. Also, in that scan Stroke is completely caught off-guard, that's not even a real fight, that's one cheap shot. In every time they've actually fought, Stroke has managed to defeat Batman.

 

Bending steel bars is more impressive than ripping them out of a wall.

 

Yeah, fighting a lion probably takes more strength. Anyway, the feat's less impressive than even the other ones you yourself brought up, so it doesn't really hold any relevance.






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