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#61 MarvelFan15

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 12:06 AM

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Some dimensions in the Marvel universe can only be accessed/exited through vertain points or by accomplishing certain rituals. Or, he could just banish him to a place beyond time, so Buu could not act.





Buu is a magical creature in nature, his mind is set to destroy, I highly doubt his mind could be taken over. DBZers have strong will, and have resisted mind control before.


Strange mentally battles "magical creatures" almost all the time. It's one of the key areas of his job description.


"Wrong Buu."


A Buu, with polymorphic traits like every other Buu, got hit with his own Candy Beam and was unable to revert. No Buu has demonstrated resistance to such an attack.

"When did I say he couldn't?"

You seemed to suggest that Buu's energy output was more impressive than channeling fledgling Zom.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 05:59 AM

Mind control =/= telepathy, Hayes. So much more can be done. Shut down, turn into vegetable etc.

Also you can't say they all have strong wills based upon one of them having one. That's like saying they all can switch bodies because Ginyu can. No. No no no no.



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Posted 19 March 2013 - 06:23 AM

DBZ characters won't fight under Gero for long. Ok, some will, but, Broly being Broly, he'll eventually get free (as seen in the original movie), and destroy the planet on a whim. Not saying some Marvel chars couldn't match him in power, no way they'll prevent him to bust up the planet the moment he's himself again, though.
Vegeta also proved his willpower in the Buu saga, the way he resisted Babidi's control back then. If he wakes up before Broly, he would have time to wake up his people somehow, so that they warn the Marvel about Broly planet busting ways, and good will prevail, lol.
Come to think of it, Buu wouldn't stay under control either, but top tier Marvel along with most Dbzers will overcome Broly and Buu.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 06:27 AM

Incorrect. Broly would easily be stopped from doing anything. In fact all of the Saiyans would. Doctor Strange just stops time for all of them. Done.

Or Sentry/Nova/Thor/Iron Man use their superior speed to knock them all out in nanoseconds. Or they absorb all the energy attacks with ease. Or...well you get the point.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 06:29 AM

He wouldn't have time. He has normal human reflexes, while someone like Broly can bust up planets in seconds.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 06:31 AM

Incorrect. Broly would easily be stopped from doing anything. In fact all of the Saiyans would. Doctor Strange just stops time for all of them. Done.

Or Sentry/Nova/Thor/Iron Man use their superior speed to knock them all out in nanoseconds. Or they absorb all the energy attacks with ease. Or...well you get the point.


2nd point counters that. Those four's speeds are so superior, they make Broly look like he isn't moving.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 06:47 AM

Just how fast they really are is anyone guess, but saiyans are certainly faster than someone like Iron Man. As for his weaponry, it wouldn't be effective, if we're to look a the manga/show, human made weapons have no effect on DBZers, except for the cyborgs, of course.

The three other guys you listed could match him in speed, but they wouldn't be able to save the planet. Kame Sennin destroyed the Moon during the first Tenkaichi in seconds with no effort. With a blast all the way from Earth. Broly is infinitely more powerful, is on Earth, and can actually survive in space. Nothing prevents him from busting the planet in secs.

If we were talking about Frieza, you might have a point. He'd attempt to destroy the world the way he destroyed Namek, by taking his time thanks to his Deathball technique. And, of course, he'd make sure everyone knows. Broly isn't refined like that. He'll destroy the world without even thinking about it. The Marvel heavyweights won't even know what he's after before it's too late. Then, of course, they can go on and fight him in space, but there won't be any Earth left to save. C'est la vie.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 06:52 AM

No dude, they don't match him in speed, they vastly outdo him in speed. Characters at their level can fight at nano-second speeds. A nano-second is to a second, what a second is to 30 years. So Broly(and all other saiyans) would be knocked the hell out...if not outright killed before they do anything.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 07:10 AM

That's where we disagree. Dbzer's chars have various speed levels depending on what power level they currently are. Broly at full power is fast enough to match someone like Thor in combat. There's evidence of that, I specifically remember one episode in which Gotrunks, while fighting against Buu, starts to fly around the Earth at top speeds a la Superman. In fact, the scene is similar to Superman "flying faster than time" in his first movie. Also, as a true to form manga, DB is full of second league characters whose sole purpose at times seem to witness/comment during fights, fights they sometimes don't even manage to see, depending how fast the characters are fighting. Just the whole presentation during the show is designed to convey a sense of speed, from the very first episodes to the last.. and Dbzer's at the end of the manga are wayyy faster (not to mention stronger, more durable etc..) than, say, Kid Goku, and he wasn't exactly slow.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 07:25 AM

Yeah, the Gotenks feat, that's exactly what I mean. It shows him flying around the Earth several times in like 8 seconds. Which is nowhere near the speed of light. These guys, Sentry, Nova, Thor...they all are faster than light or damn close to it. So incorrect again.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 07:30 AM

He's shown flying around the Earth at top speed in a way the audience can appreciate it. For all we know, he might just be flying around faster than light, but there wouldn't be much to show then, because how could we even see it and comprehend what's going on?

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 07:51 AM

Well, he could say, I just flew faster than light and show it was clearly faster than light.

Light travels around the planet 7 times in one second. He went around it several times in 8 seconds. Clearly not FTL or near the speed of light.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 08:16 AM

No, he circled around the Earth, we just know he did it several times, and we also know it lasted for 8 seconds in our time, behind the fourth wall, through the producers translation. Did you think DBZ was real time?
If we're to look at my Superman analogy, we know he flew fast enough to go back through time and saw something onscreen, but he was actually flying way faster than what was rendered. As the audience we had to be shown something, for drama purposes, the same way it's more effective to show Gotrunks fly around the Earth rather than having him say "I just flew at FTL".

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 08:19 AM

This is speculation. If you wanted a clear showing of Gotenks being FTL, then go ahead and show his flying around the Earth speed at the break of dawn and show that he is one step ahead of the light all the time. That's clearly FTL. Which is what the Marvel guys do. It's clearly shown and said that they are moving FTL. Gotenks flight did not do either.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 08:20 AM

Or Sentry/Nova/Thor/Iron Man use their superior speed to knock them all out in nanoseconds. Or they absorb all the energy attacks with ease. Or...well you get the point.


Just wait until God Mode, then Goku will be slapping beings like Supes n Thor with ease.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 08:22 AM

Still doubt it.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 08:26 AM

Still doubt it.


Just you wait wee man ;) Goku will be bringing the ruckus.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 08:56 AM

To Nova:

Assuming Broly is slower than Thor, Nova or Sentry is akin to speculation as well. This is a manga in which, by Toriyama own admission, there's no power limit. At the end of the manga, they're extremely powerful, and they haven't reached their limits, since they have none (in terms of physical attributes, chi control and power, etc.. By the author own logic, they've got to be faster than light at some point. Whether this occured in Frieza's, Cell's or the Buu saga, who knows? In Broly's case, he's the strongest of Saiyan, with the highest potential, had he been part of the series and around the Buu saga, he'd have been faster even than someone like Gotrunks, whose impressive speed is necessarily inferior to Vegito's and Gogeta's anyways. In this set up, he's back from the dead, more powerful thanks to his Saiyan lineage, his status as Legendary Super Saiyan (he's constantly getting stronger, doesn't even have to fight to watch his power grow..), and the 10 % bonus the OP gave him (not that he needs it). Guys like Sentry, Nova and Thor may match his speed, but there's no way they'll outmatch it, and the Earth won't be around for long, think World Breaker Hulk on steroïds. One energy blast is all it's gonna take. Hate to repeat myself, but the moment KameSennin decided he wanted the Moon destroyed, it was gone. Like that. Despite of the distance. Instantly gone. Sounds like a FTL blast, thrown at the very beginnings of the series, no less. If this old geezer can do that, what can Broly do? That's actually pretty scary...

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 09:18 AM

Except Thor has injured Chaos King with his lightning, and regularly holds back to less than 1/3 of his full power with mortals-- i.e., he'd easily kill Hulk with one blow (and Hulk can tank pretty much everything the DBZers throw out just a little while into the fight). Once Thor stops holding back, the DBZers are screwed to high Asgard (heh, see that wordplay?).

Not to mention several of the other ways to disable all of the DBZers at once... yeah. They've already been mentioned, and that isn't even half the ways Marvel can win without much trouble.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 09:19 AM

None of the manga canon characters were faster than light at any point in the Frieza, Cell or Buu sagas. I've seen it calculated that Gotenks was moving at 25% the speed of light.

Let's throw Broly a bone and say he's twice as powerful as Gotenks. 50% the speed of light.

Add that 10% boost. 60% the speed of light.

Sentry, Thor and Nova can all move faster than that in normal travel. Heck arguably the slowest one of them in regular space(Nova) can move at 80% the speed of light. 20% faster than Broly.

Many of the people here can absorb and redirect such a blast. And they can dish it out too.

Oh and Strange literally can't die, so he would survive and then easily take out the Saiyans. With ease.




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