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#61 KidStranglehold

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 06:39 PM

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 06:52 PM

Daredevil's a better h2h combatant than Batman?
No.. just no..

Besides, this set-up isn't just a h2h fight, the combatants have their usual weapons and what not.

With that being said, Batman wins a very tough battle.


Batman is a smarter fighter than Daredevil, which is the only thing that matters between the two because they aren't drastically different skill-wise and physically they're similar.

Sure DD has his senses but when it comes to Batman, it's not like he doesn't have a device that can manipulate/disrupt them.

Question: Do flashbangs work on DD?

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 07:27 PM

You're missing the point. I'm not arguing with you about Batman's level of skill. I'm just pointing out that the fact you have never seen Daredevil do something like this is not proof of anything.

As the saying goes, "The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence."


I never said couldn't, I said I've never seen him do something like that. It proves Batman is the better tactician/strategist because we still have not seen Daredevil be a tactician/strategist on Batman's level. Sure he can surpass Batman if the writers write him to, anything is possible in comics, but we have still not sen it. Strategy is what Batman is all about, that is what the character is all about. Not only that he has his plot device...I mean gadgets which he always use to strategies with. He can easily find a weakness in Daredevil's radar senses like he always does when he fights different people.



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Posted 05 March 2013 - 07:28 PM

Question: Do flashbangs work on DD?


The bang should work, The flash... not so much :)

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 08:02 PM

Whats to say that these two run into each other first. What if the others see them and and form an alliance to take out the winner? The fight revolves around more than these two.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 08:04 PM

The bang should work, The flash... not so much data:image/png;base64,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


Then Batman takes it :P

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 08:42 PM

Batman doesn't just randomly throw flashbangs when he sees a martial artist. He won't know Daredevil is Daredevil. Also, the whole "overwhelming senses" schtick has been used so many times against Daredevil he can pretty much just turn off his supersenses when he wants to, selectively.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 09:06 PM

Batman doesn't just randomly throw flashbangs when he sees a martial artist. He won't know Daredevil is Daredevil. Also, the whole "overwhelming senses" schtick has been used so many times against Daredevil he can pretty much just turn off his supersenses when he wants to, selectively.


Batman does, however, throw flashbangs when fighting multiple enemies, which is the case in this set-up. But, whatever.

He can turn off his hearing? Because that flashbang is going to disorient him otherwise.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 09:11 PM

Yeah and why is it people think Batman will from the start know Daredevil has superhuman sense and all of that? How would Batman even guess that? Batman doesn't just from the start know the abilities of his opponent.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 09:19 PM

Yeah and why is it people think Batman will from the start know Daredevil has superhuman sense and all of that? How would Batman even guess that? Batman doesn't just from the start know the abilities of his opponent.



Batman does, however, throw flashbangs when fighting multiple enemies, which is the case in this set-up. But, whatever.



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Posted 05 March 2013 - 11:12 PM

Batman doesn't always throw flashbangs like Force said. Also when encountering another superhero like Daredevil he won't result to using flashbangs right away. Batman uses his batrangs first and then results to H2H combat. He may use a smoke pellet and result to different methods of attacking using it along with other equipment. But Batman isn't going to just pull out a flashbang and use it for no reason. Batman will use his usual and other equipment first. Also this isn't a one on one fight. Batman won't be given time to throw around weapons and equipment with the other highly skilled fighters in the match.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 11:52 PM

Yeah and why is it people think Batman will from the start know Daredevil has superhuman sense and all of that? How would Batman even guess that? Batman doesn't just from the start know the abilities of his opponent.

The same way he deduced it in the cross over. He'd notice it. I know cross overs aren't canon, but Batman is definitely trained to notice things like that. He is the world's greatest detective after all.

Also Batman would not just jump into the fight, he'd let them take each other out, then finish who is left. DD could probably sense Batman, then they might square off while the others are fighting it out. Leo would probably due the same.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 12:03 AM

Batman doesn't always throw flashbangs like Force said. Also when encountering another superhero like Daredevil he won't result to using flashbangs right away. Batman uses his batrangs first and then results to H2H combat. He may use a smoke pellet and result to different methods of attacking using it along with other equipment. But Batman isn't going to just pull out a flashbang and use it for no reason. Batman will use his usual and other equipment first. Also this isn't a one on one fight. Batman won't be given time to throw around weapons and equipment with the other highly skilled fighters in the match.


Right, because Batman takes so long to throw equipment he's highly trained with, only, he doesn't. :l


Force is right, Batman doesn't randomly throw flashbangs in 1 on 1 situations.
However, He does throw them when surrounded or faced with multiple threats (a similar situation he'd be faced with in this set-up) to disorient his opponents, which isn't a random reason to throw them, mind you.

Batman's not going to jump in like an idiot into the fray when he could easily sit back and toss batarangs and smoke pellets and flashbangs and bolos and so on.

After everyone is tired from fighting each other and being bombarded with batarangs and other gadgets, DD included, Batman would have an easier time to finish everyone that is left off without involving himself too much into the conflict.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 01:02 AM

Who's to say that each fighter doesnt use stealth and surprise attacks to take each other out. They are fighting aboard an aircraft carrier. Those are huge and provide many hiding places, small corridors, and large open spaces.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 01:20 AM

Who's to say that each fighter doesnt use stealth and surprise attacks to take each other out. They are fighting aboard an aircraft carrier. Those are huge and provide many hiding places, small corridors, and large open spaces.


Good point. I agree.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 01:28 AM

Good point. I agree.

Its one reason I chose this location. It has all types of areas that can change the way the fight would have to go. Sneak attacks are what give each character his chance.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 07:42 AM

Yeah and why is it people think Batman will from the start know Daredevil has superhuman sense and all of that? How would Batman even guess that? Batman doesn't just from the start know the abilities of his opponent.


Who said he would know from the start? The point is, when Batman and Daredevil start to fight one on one. Batman will start to notice Daredevil's enhanced senses(radar senses). Batman fights people with enhanced senses, he has done things to counter things like that. Batman brings his smarts in when he fights, that's how he works. He is a tactical genius, he will figure out a way to counter Daredevil's radar senses. He wouldn't do it from the start, but when mid way in the fight.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 08:53 AM

Who's to say that each fighter doesnt use stealth and surprise attacks to take each other out. They are fighting aboard an aircraft carrier. Those are huge and provide many hiding places, small corridors, and large open spaces.


Batman is even more likely to win like that.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 09:00 AM

People seem to underestimate Leo and Grendel here. Leo is very skilled and experienced. Grendel is just as skilled as anyone in this. He is just as smart as Batman.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 09:06 AM

People seem to underestimate Leo and Grendel here. Leo is very skilled and experienced. Grendel is just as skilled as anyone in this. He is just as smart as Batman.


I agree. However, Batman's gadgets are the deciding factor in this.

He can utilize a wide variety of equipment to defeat any/all of the opponents in the set-up who have virtually no defense against the effects of most of his gadgets.




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