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Posted 05 March 2013 - 01:47 PM

What? Batman didn't best her in those first scans. Batman sneaking up on her in that comic is not impressive since she was blind and had the whole JLA ganging up on her. That doesn't prove he is more skilled in that scan.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 03:09 PM

Batman or Daredevil wins this, as the former has the widest range of martial arts skills and the latter has skills enhanced by super-senses. The rest get trousered by Bats, DD and themselves pretty quickly, leaving Bats and DD to duke it out for a while. A lot of how that last fight goes down depends on what equipment they both have.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 03:45 PM

Yet Marvel ranks Iron Fist higher.



Actually even though Black panther struck first he was still not trying hard as shown that he was talking most of the fight, trying to tell Daredevil that Wheeler should make his own choices. During the mid of the fight Daredevil became more serious, while T'Challa wasn't trying hard. T'Challa was mostly trying to talk Daredevil into letting Wheeler make his own choice.



So...And How?


How? All was proven was that he can defeat Captain America. He has never really beaten Shang Chi, Mister X, T'Challa or Iron Fist.



It was a sparring match, even though not serious Batman was able to get the upper hand. And Batman and Wonder women have bested each other many times.

And feats from the comics > Marvel's power grid. Still doesn't matter.

And Daredevil wasn't even TRYING to fight Black Panther. You're freaking grasping for straws here. Him not talking means absolutely nothing, the fact is that he wasn't even interesting in fighting Black Panther, he was interested in getting to Wheeler, if anything, Daredevil is the one who didn't give a shit about Panther.

Because he's a better fighter and has better feats?

Except he has beat T'Challa and Iron Fist, both more than once.

Lol, what? No they haven't. The second you place them outside a sparring environment where wonder Woman is actively trying not to kill Batman, she throws him through building and beats him like a little bitch.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 05:50 PM

Sorry I've been gone, but anyways...

What? Batman didn't best her in those first scans. Batman sneaking up on her in that comic is not impressive since she was blind and had the whole JLA ganging up on her. That doesn't prove he is more skilled in that scan.


1. Yes he did, which is why she had to use her strength and speed, anyone with eyes can see that.
2. What part of Wonder Women having enhanced senses are you not understanding? That's how she was able to fight the JL blind folded. Wonder Women has enhanced superhuman smelling and hearing. Batman was the only one that was able to sneak up on her and stun her, while everyone else couldn't. Batman has been able to sneak up on Wonder Women twice. How is that not impressive? You can ignore it all you want, when Wonder Women even acknowledged Batman was able to get the jump on her in different scenarios.


And feats from the comics > Marvel's power grid. Still doesn't matter.


It's Marvel's words.

And Daredevil wasn't even TRYING to fight Black Panther. You're freaking grasping for straws here. Him not talking means absolutely nothing, the fact is that he wasn't even interesting in fighting Black Panther, he was interested in getting to Wheeler, if anything, Daredevil is the one who didn't give a shit about Panther.

When I say Black Panther wasn't fighting serious, I mean he wasn't even really trying to hurt him, that's not even how T'Challa even fights. No one is grasping for straws. Because neither fighters were fighting at their hardest. And again T'Challa was keep trying to reason with Daredevil, because he felt wheeler should make his own choices, he felt Daredevil shouldn't interfere and tried to stop him. If you call that a real win then IDK...But we can agree to disagree if you want.

Because he's a better fighter and has better feats?

Except he has beat T'Challa and Iron Fist, both more than once.

1. Elaborate?
2. The only real time DD beat T'Challa was when he was mind controlled by someone. And DD mostly stalemated with Iron Fist.

Lol, what? No they haven't. The second you place them outside a sparring environment where wonder Woman is actively trying not to kill Batman, she throws him through building and beats him like a little bitch.


Umm....Batman and Wonder Woman fought on many occasion. Me and Hayes already stated that, the only reasons why Wonder Women beats him is because she resorts to using her speed and strength, in the beginning Batman always is able to best her, as shown with the scans I posted. Batman is able to make a fool out of her with skills until she uses her superhuman abilities. No one said Batman would beat her in a straight up fight, but that he has bested her in the skill department on some occasions.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 05:55 PM

I have never seen Daredevil do something like that. And that also proves Batman is a better tactician/strategist. Which he would use in this fight, because he always does.


Showing that he hasn't done it doesn't prove that he couldn't do it. You would need to see DD try and fail to do something similar to make that judgment.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 06:00 PM

Stranglehold, feats from Marvel comics are more canon than power grids.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 06:00 PM

Showing that he hasn't done it doesn't prove that he couldn't do it. You would need to see DD try and fail to do something similar to make that judgment.


I never said couldn't, I said I've never seen him do something like that. It proves Batman is the better tactician/strategist because we still have not seen Daredevil be a tactician/strategist on Batman's level. Sure he can surpass Batman if the writers write him to, anything is possible in comics, but we have still not sen it. Strategy is what Batman is all about, that is what the character is all about. Not only that he has his plot device...I mean gadgets which he always use to strategies with. He can easily find a weakness in Daredevil's radar senses like he always does when he fights different people.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 06:02 PM

Stranglehold, feats from Marvel comics are more canon than power grids.


Power grids follow feats of characters, that is what they are for. Handbooks updates all the time when a character preform a feat that puts them on a new level or just getting a power boost.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 06:03 PM

Um, no they don't.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 06:03 PM

Um, no they don't.


Um yes they do.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 06:04 PM

I can easily find examples that prove you wrong in this regard. Fact, I'll do that know.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 06:04 PM

Power grids follow feats of characters, that is what they are for. Handbooks updates all the time when a character preform a feat that puts them on a new level or just getting a power boost.

Again, you just deflated your own argument. If you say that the grids follow the feats of the characters, than logically, the feats still have a higher precedence than the grids.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 06:08 PM

Again, you just deflated your own argument. If you say that the grids follow the feats of the characters, than logically, the feats still have a higher precedence than the grids.


When did I ever say feats were less important than powergrids? I only said Marvel lists Iron Fist fighting skills higher than Daredevil's, because they do and Iron Fist has actually trained more than Daredevil when it comes to fighting.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 06:10 PM

When I say Black Panther wasn't fighting serious, I mean he wasn't even really trying to hurt him, that's not even how T'Challa even fights. No one is grasping for straws. Because neither fighters were fighting at their hardest. And again T'Challa was keep trying to reason with Daredevil, because he felt wheeler should make his own choices, he felt Daredevil shouldn't interfere and tried to stop him. If you call that a real win then IDK...But we can agree to disagree if you want.


1. Elaborate?
2. The only real time DD beat T'Challa was when he was mind controlled by someone. And DD mostly stalemated with Iron Fist.



Umm....Batman and Wonder Woman fought on many occasion. Me and Hayes already stated that, the only reasons why Wonder Women beats him is because she resorts to using her speed and strength, in the beginning Batman always is able to best her, as shown with the scans I posted. Batman is able to make a fool out of her with skills until she uses her superhuman abilities. No one said Batman would beat her in a straight up fight, but that he has bested her in the skill department on some occasions.

What? It wasn't like Daredevil was trying to kill Black Panther, you can't use "Black Panther wasn't really trying to fight him" if DAREDEVIL WASN'T EITHER. What part of that do you not understand?

What do you mean elaborate? Daredevil simply has better fighting feats. He has beaten more impressive people than Mister X has.

Daredevil beat Black Panther twice. Your completely idiotic justification does not, in any way, change that fact. Also, Daredevil has beaten Iron Fist at least twice. Iron Fist has never beaten him. Actually, I remember another "modern" Iron Fist example. Iron Fist was dressed as Daredevil, and neither could tag each other (similar to the other fight) until Daredevil hit him and started to hit him until he realized who he was.

And your scans don't show that whatsoever. Seriously, your "resort to strength" argument doesn't make any sense, in not a single one of those scans does Batman demonstrate a higher fighting skill than Wonder Woman.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 06:10 PM

When did I ever say feats were less important than powergrids? I only said Marvel lists Iron Fist fighting skills higher than Daredevil's, because they do and Iron Fist has actually trained more than Daredevil when it comes to fighting.

It doesn't MATTER. Going by FEATS, Daredevil is better, because Daredevil has beaten Iron Fist on more than one occasion, while Iron Fist has never beaten Daredevil.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 06:14 PM

Namor, at class 6 Strength. Should be in class 7.
Leonard Samson, at class 7 Strength. Should be in class 6.

Just two I found right off the bat.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 06:23 PM

What? It wasn't like Daredevil was trying to kill Black Panther, you can't use "Black Panther wasn't really trying to fight him" if DAREDEVIL WASN'T EITHER. What part of that do you not understand?

What point ARE YOU not understanding that neither were fighting at their best. I never really said Black Panther was not trying to fight him, I said Black Panther was not fighting at his best, otherwise he wouldn't be trying to talk DD out the whole fight and just let Wheeler make his own choice.


What do you mean elaborate? Daredevil simply has better fighting feats. He has beaten more impressive people than Mister X has.

Daredevil has fought beaten more people since X has been in less comic issues obviously...Mister X abilities are what makes him beat Daredevil. How would Daredevil even counter X's nervous pulse locking which he uses reads body language?

Daredevil beat Black Panther twice. Your completely idiotic justification does not, in any way, change that fact.

LOL...

Also, Daredevil has beaten Iron Fist at least twice. Iron Fist has never beaten him. Actually, I remember another "modern" Iron Fist example. Iron Fist was dressed as Daredevil, and neither could tag each other (similar to the other fight) until Daredevil hit him and started to hit him until he realized who he was.

I think I remember that fight and I don't think that's current Iron FIst when he got his powerboost. I am not sure though.

And your scans don't show that whatsoever. Seriously, your "resort to strength" argument doesn't make any sense, in not a single one of those scans does Batman demonstrate a higher fighting skill than Wonder Woman.


Lol...How does the strength argument make no sense? Lol...Batman was able to get Wonder Women in some holds until she had to use her strength. Batman has been able to land multiple hits on her, you can also clearly see it when he has fought a possessed Wonder Woman.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 06:27 PM

It doesn't MATTER. Going by FEATS, Daredevil is better, because Daredevil has beaten Iron Fist on more than one occasion, while Iron Fist has never beaten Daredevil.


Most of their fights were stalemates...Though Daredevil has beaten Iron Fist more times back in the days, but Iron Fist wasn't even as experienced back then.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 06:29 PM

How many times did you say lol in that post? :P

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 06:37 PM

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