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#61 KidStranglehold

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 12:36 AM

Then you need to look at it again.


It really looked like he got hit in the abdominal area and the announcers were clearing saying Luke was outclassed. Luke was mostly using skill like trying to blind WM. Also when WM grabbed Luke and said its my turn, Luke couldn't do a thing and that's when WM wasn't holding back and then the fight ended. I don't see how that was PIS...

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 12:38 AM

Ugh. Enough. This has nothing to do with the fight and you don't seem to be listening.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 12:39 AM

Ugh. Enough. This has nothing to do with the fight and you don't seem to be listening.


How am I not listening?

When Luke and the announcers said WM was superior.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 12:40 AM

Enough.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 12:41 AM

Enough.


Okay Team 2 wins if this is current versions.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 12:50 AM

Durability is important, but it only counts for so much. If your opponent is only three or four times as powerful as you, it can make a difference. Luke is able to take relatively small levels of damage.

An exploding car. There's very little shock form this kind of explosion because it's the gas tank going up and gasoline burns much more slowly than explosives. Technically it's not counted as an explosion but rapid combustion. The definition of an explosion is combustion so rapid that it breaks the sound barrier. The thing Luke would have to deal with would be the heat of burning gas, which is 240-460 degrees farenheit. This is not remotely close to energy of a blow from Wonder Man or the Hulk.

A fall from a high building. Terminal velocity for a human body is from 122-200 mph, depending on the position of the faller's body. Again, this is enough energy to kill a human easily, but tiny compared to a blow form one of these heavy hitters.

As for Captain America hurting the Hulk, or melee weapons piercing the Hulk's skin, that's PIS in spades. When the Hulk can shrug off high caliber bullets and artillery shells without a scratch, but Deadpool can cut him or Punisher can stick a knife in his chest... That's an amazing level of stupidity in writing. If the Hulk could be wounded like this, one hit from a tank shell would shred all the flesh off his bones.

There was a time when this was written more intelligently. Ordinary knives swords would shatter on the Hulk's (or Cage's) skin. Even Valkyrie's enchanted sword and Wolverine's claws failed to cut it. At some point in the '90s somebody at Marvel decided that it looked cooler for weapons to stick into people's bodies.

Cage is durable, nobody's denying that. I've just been pointing out that he used to be much less durable. When the Cage series was written, bullets would still bruise him. That's a good measure of his durability. It shows that he was superhumanly tough, but not nearly tough enough to trade punches with the likes of Wonder Man or the Hulk.

Now he is much tougher and a fight with either of these two would be more reasonable.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 12:53 AM

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 12:56 AM

Durability is important, but it only counts for so much. If your opponent is only three or four times as powerful as you, it can make a difference. Luke is able to take relatively small levels of damage.

An exploding car. There's very little shock form this kind of explosion because it's the gas tank going up and gasoline burns much more slowly than explosives. Technically it's not counted as an explosion but rapid combustion. The definition of an explosion is combustion so rapid that it breaks the sound barrier. The thing Luke would have to deal with would be the heat of burning gas, which is 240-460 degrees farenheit. This is not remotely close to energy of a blow from Wonder Man or the Hulk.

A fall from a high building. Terminal velocity for a human body is from 122-200 mph, depending on the position of the faller's body. Again, this is enough energy to kill a human easily, but tiny compared to a blow form one of these heavy hitters.

As for Captain America hurting the Hulk, or melee weapons piercing the Hulk's skin, that's PIS in spades. When the Hulk can shrug off high caliber bullets and artillery shells without a scratch, but Deadpool can cut him or Punisher can stick a knife in his chest... That's an amazing level of stupidity in writing. If the Hulk could be wounded like this, one hit from a tank shell would shred all the flesh off his bones.

There was a time when this was written more intelligently. Ordinary knives swords would shatter on the Hulk's (or Cage's) skin. Even Valkyrie's enchanted sword and Wolverine's claws failed to cut it. At some point in the '90s somebody at Marvel decided that it looked cooler for weapons to stick into people's bodies.

Cage is durable, nobody's denying that. I've just been pointing out that he used to be much less durable. When the Cage series was written, bullets would still bruise him. That's a good measure of his durability. It shows that he was superhumanly tough, but not nearly tough enough to trade punches with the likes of Wonder Man or the Hulk.

Now he is much tougher and a fight with either of these two would be more reasonable.


Good point. But if you read the scans...The announcers and Luke himself stated WM was far more stronger and Luke even stated he needed to hurry up and end this. My point in bringing up Hulk and Wonder Man is that Luke has survived fights with powerful people since people brought up Boosters fight with Doomsday(which Echo's already corrected).

Also towards the end of the fight Luke couldn't do anything to WM.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 12:57 AM

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I hope you know Thor was only a class 90 back than and current Thor would annihilate both classic and current Wonder Man.Thor easily beat Wonder Man in West Coast Avengers.The only time Wonder Man was even comparable to Thor is when they were both class 90.Thor has clearly surpassed him since then.Not only has Thor beaten Wonder Man but he has way better showings in combat. Also Thor states he holds back against mortals no matter what the case is.

And also why didn't you post the rest of the fight with LC and WM??? When WM had him in his grip. And again Luke said he was outclassed and so did the announcers...I really don't get everyone's point with this.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 02:41 AM

Your missing the point. Luke Cage is far out of his league. Wonder Man in the past was able to battle foes such as Thor, Gladiator, and more. Current Wonder Man is more powerful then before and trashed the Avengers actually before turning good again. Luke Cage gets trashed by Wonder Man. Oh and I used that Thor scan because you kept talking about past Wonder Man as if Luke Cage was in his range of strength which he isn't.

Either way Cage loses. You seem to be forgetting all the times Cage has been shown he can be smacked around in battle and put down.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 02:52 AM

Your missing the point. Luke Cage is far out of his league. Wonder Man in the past was able to battle foes such as Thor, Gladiator, and more. Current Wonder Man is more powerful then before and trashed the Avengers actually before turning good again. Luke Cage gets trashed by Wonder Man. Oh and I used that Thor scan because you kept talking about past Wonder Man as if Luke Cage was in his range of strength which he isn't.

Either way Cage loses. You seem to be forgetting all the times Cage has been shown he can be smacked around in battle and put down.


Did you not read my post when I said the announcers and Luke himself said that WM was far too strong and Luke even stated he had to hurry and end it. And my point was Cage was able to survive a fight with him, since people brought up Doomsday for Booster. I brought up WM and Hulk. WM has stated that Thor is way stronger than him and he lost to both Thor and Gladiator. Also I never said that Luke Cage was on the same level as WM, I said he was able to hang with him like Wolverine and Spiderman are able to hang with the Hulk. I don't get why people are keep thinking I am saying Luke Cage is on the same level as WM when I said no such.

You think I don't know that?

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 09:16 AM

Wonder Man is still a good match for Thor, provided its not Odinforce or what have you. Especially since he still holds back.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 10:48 AM

Thor was only a class 90 back then? What are you talking about? Unless it was directly stated that he was weaker back then (compared to, say, when he lifted the Midgard Serpent), that opinion holds no weight. O.o

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 02:34 PM

I get what Stranglehold is saying. He isn't saying that Luke Cage is strong as Wonder Man or that Luke Cage can beat him easily. He saying that strength is different than durability(which we all know). It's because of Luke's durability that kept him going with WM (even when he said he needs to go because he couldn't take anymore of Wonder Man). Stranglehold is strictly talking about the durability not the strength of Luke Cage. Calling it PIS is probably true, if so then Spider-man staggering Hulk with one punch is PIS, Wolverine fighting Hulk (all of there fights) was PIS, Captain American fight Iron Man was PIS, etc.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 02:34 PM

Oh and as for who wins I think Team 2.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 02:55 PM

I get what Stranglehold is saying. He isn't saying that Luke Cage is strong as Wonder Man or that Luke Cage can beat him easily. He saying that strength is different than durability(which we all know). It's because of Luke's durability that kept him going with WM (even when he said he needs to go because he couldn't take anymore of Wonder Man). Stranglehold is strictly talking about the durability not the strength of Luke Cage. Calling it PIS is probably true, if so then Spider-man staggering Hulk with one punch is PIS, Wolverine fighting Hulk (all of there fights) was PIS, Captain American fight Iron Man was PIS, etc.


Yes, they probably were.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 06:35 PM

Right. So again, we've established that Cage probably can not get through Booster's forcefield. He can take Booster's punches though.

Another factor we should consider is that Booster is a timetraveler. If necessary, he could time dump the two, but he probably wouldn't do that. Just saiyan he could.

Again, not really. Even if it could contain Cage, Rand could absorb it/break through it, and take out Booster before he even knew what was going on. Team 2 wins this one.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 06:47 PM

How could Rand absorb it?

He could possibly break through it if he was allowed to significantly charge his chi into his Iron Fist and Booster stayed upon the ground.

Mh. It depends on how long Blue Beetle can distract Iron Fist for. Iron Fist is the superior martial artist but Ted is no slouch and I see no reason why Rand would go all out right off the bat.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 07:13 PM

PIS PIS PIS PIS! What's With All The PIS?

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 07:36 PM

How could Rand absorb it?

He could possibly break through it if he was allowed to significantly charge his chi into his Iron Fist and Booster stayed upon the ground.

Mh. It depends on how long Blue Beetle can distract Iron Fist for. Iron Fist is the superior martial artist but Ted is no slouch and I see no reason why Rand would go all out right off the bat.

Rand can absorb any energy, he's even absorbed electromagnetic fields before. Besides, I doubt the field can stand up to multiple Iron Fists.

Blue Beetle will get annihilated by Iron Fist. That's not even a valid fight. So after Rand takes the 1-2 seconds he needs to take down Beetle, he takes down Gold. Seriously, I've never seen anything from Booster, including that scan where Booster holds Doomsday for a brief while that indicates he can take down Fist. Also, as someone else pointed out, Gold got his ass majorly kicked by Doomsday at least twice.

EDIT: I looked it up. The force field only took ONE hit from Doomsday, and it fried the generator. Doomsday then proceeded to literally rip his armor apart effortlessly. Yeaahhh, not that impressive of a feat.




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