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Posted 02 February 2013 - 10:11 PM

I said it was Bootenks who had Gotenk's power and was a little above Saikyo no Gohan after 14 years Gotenks is on his level or higher.
Never said she couldn't, this is fodder Goku from the 23rd Budokai Generic Freeza Grunt>>>Him and he wasn't lifting jack he was punching. To give an idea I can barley punch with 20lbs in my hand without falling over however I can bench my weight (170) if the difference was the same for Goku (Though he is trained and punching with 40 tons easily so this number is likely higher.) he could bench 340 tons its still from a gag scene so no one cares.

ABC logic does work in this case cause it all comes down to Ki, Piccolo has more Ki in is pinky in the Cell Saga than Freeza does he can push more energy into an attack more energy means bigger fireworks. Goku couldn't breath in space because of his biological need for oxygen not because of his Ki. They have shown they can cause they have more ki Goten and Trunks beat 2 opponents in base that were equal to Freeza who had a moot understanding of ki anyway just a ton of it. Also tell the whole story Chibi Boo was about to murk the earth with a casual baseball sized blast and Vegeta deflected it he made another one the next instant that could destroy the earth 10x over and Goku and Vegeta couldn't power up fast enough to deflect an attack like that was already ready to fire and that Boo is far stronger than either of them as SSJ1s.


Rogue is a non factor..You you win the debate on DBZ characters being more powerful than Rogue with Ms Marvels powers since Rogue can't absorb their enegy like Ms Marvel would and she isn't as physically strong as Ms Marvel.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 04:56 AM

Tien, Yamcha, die instantly. They are useless. at this point in time they are still weaker than Radiz, Piccolo isnt that special either but Goten and Kid trunks could make Gotenks and achive SSJ3, that would be their only hope really. As for the 1st fight I think The horsemen can be taken out by Future Trunks and Gohan alone. The hulk would be the only stinker though. he is the wild card of the horsemen I think. As for The big guy I think he could overpower Goku and vegeta. SSJ3 is very hard to maintain and takes a massive toll on the body. if they were SSJ 4 they would have a chance. but I am going with Apocolypse

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 05:29 AM

1. Iceman is part of the atmosphere basically. They will not be able to completely destroy him as long as any water is around.

2. Colossus is Juggernaut. The Z-Fighters have nothing to stop him. I could picture characters like Tien or Yamcha blasting him and Colossus walking through it and grabbing them by the throat. I believe it would be similar to Cell vs Tien except Colossus wouldnt be knocked back at all. Now granted Colossus doesnt have the speed to catch them in an open fight though.

3. With Cyclops new, seemingly more powerful optic blasts, he could cause some damage. He cant physically fight to keep up with the Z-Fighters but he is very accurate with his blasts and bouncing them off surfaces to hit opponents. He may even be able to stalemate ki blasts with it.

4. The X-Men are a cohesive unit that works really well together. While the Z-Fighters are all friends, they mostly fight one on one battles. The only team fighters are Goten and young trunks.

5. Magneto's shield is powerful enough to stop most ki blasts. He could simply protect himself inside while striking out with his other attacks.

6. Apocalypse has the powers and raw strength alone to handle most of the first team. When you add in the other amped up horsemen, they can overwhelm the first team of Z-Fighters.

Question. When one team finishes there battle, can they help the other?

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 06:22 AM

"It would be much better for debating. But whatever..."

No, it really wouldn't.

I do it this way, instead of using quotes, for 2 reasons.

1. This way I can respond to each individual point, and everyone knows exactly what it is I'm addressing.
2. If I tried doing it with quotes, I would have to do several posts in a row, because it would require more quotes than is possible to put in a single post.


"But I wasn't pulling things out my arse..."

Which is exactly what I was saying.

It was the former(being ignorant about Rogue/Ms. Marvel's powers), rather than the latter(pulling things out your arse).

Ignorance is excusable. No one is required to know everything.


"So does mines since Storm can completely take away their oxygen. Not saying the X-men win yet...I was just trying ti state that was one factor they could use to win."

Yes, we already covered this. Storm can take away their oxygen. But unless she can actually keep it up(i.e. survive) long enough for the Z-fighters to fall unconscious(or die) from oxygen deprivation, it's an annoyance at best. Considering the fact that all of the Z-fighters can hold their breaths, and survive with minimal amounts of oxygen, for an extended period of time.


"Okay wise guy...But I would actually prefer to read the comic, because IMO it would give me a more in depth look at what happened."

Completely agreed. I was simply pointing out, that not having read the comics, is not an excuse for being completely ignorant about Ms. Marvel gaining the Binary powers after Rogue stole her original powers, since that is mentioned on several websites that are commonly used for research.

Even when I have read the comics, I still make a point of doing research on the characters involved, i.e. reading through their marvel/dc.wikia sites, and their comicvine pages. That way, if I've read the comics, then the information is fresh in my memory, and if I have not read the comics, then I at least have a basic knowledge of the characters, and the major storylines they've been involved in..

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 09:10 AM

Team 2 is deader than a racist walrus in the detroit ghetto after dark

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 09:15 AM

Team 2 is deader than a racist walrus in the detroit ghetto after dark

wrong you are sir. Have any proof to support your claim?

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 09:23 AM

Team 2 is deader than a racist walrus in the detroit ghetto after dark


WTF does this even mean?

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 09:39 AM

No, it really wouldn't.

I do it this way, instead of using quotes, for 2 reasons.

1. This way I can respond to each individual point, and everyone knows exactly what it is I'm addressing.
2. If I tried doing it with quotes, I would have to do several posts in a row, because it would require more quotes than is possible to put in a single post.


Whatever suits you...

Which is exactly what I was saying.

It was the former(being ignorant about Rogue/Ms. Marvel's powers), rather than the latter(pulling things out your arse).


Ignorance is excusable. No one is required to know everything.


So than why are we still going on?


Yes, we already covered this. Storm can take away their oxygen. But unless she can actually keep it up(i.e. survive) long enough for the Z-fighters to fall unconscious(or die) from oxygen deprivation, it's an annoyance at best. Considering the fact that all of the Z-fighters can hold their breaths, and survive with minimal amounts of oxygen, for an extended period of time.



Like I said before they would be distrated, the X-men actually have numbers on their side unlike the Z-Fighters. Yamcha and Tien are mostly human and so I doubt they would really survive...


"Okay wise guy...But I would actually prefer to read the comic, because IMO it would give me a more in depth look at what happened."

Completely agreed. I was simply pointing out, that not having read the comics, is not an excuse for being completely ignorant about Ms. Marvel gaining the Binary powers after Rogue stole her original powers, since that is mentioned on several websites that are commonly used for research.

Even when I have read the comics, I still make a point of doing research on the characters involved, i.e. reading through their marvel/dc.wikia sites, and their comicvine pages. That way, if I've read the comics, then the information is fresh in my memory, and if I have not read the comics, then I at least have a basic knowledge of the characters, and the major storylines they've been involved in..


1. Comicvine can be edited by anyone...I'm a member of that site and almost anyone can edit anything.
2. Marvel/DC wikia can be edited by anyone too.
3. I just prefer reading the comic either online or in a physical copy. That suits and I prefer that way.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 09:40 AM

Team 2 is deader than a racist walrus in the detroit ghetto after dark


O_o

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 09:44 AM

WTF does this even mean?



It means they are extremley dead. I got it from Drawn Together.


Team 2 has the weakest Z fighters, the strongest being two kids who never even passed base SSJ1. Trunks and Goten have never beaten anyone. Piccalo has not trained in a long time. he is out of shape, Colossus is stronger that alot of the Z fighters and they have alot more versitillity than the Z fighters

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 10:44 AM

It means they are extremley dead. I got it from Drawn Together.


Team 2 has the weakest Z fighters, the strongest being two kids who never even passed base SSJ1. Trunks and Goten have never beaten anyone. Piccalo has not trained in a long time. he is out of shape, Colossus is stronger that alot of the Z fighters and they have alot more versitillity than the Z fighters

i thought you meant the marvel team was gonna lose

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 10:56 AM

Tien, Yamcha, die instantly. They are useless. at this point in time they are still weaker than Radiz, Piccolo isnt that special either but Goten and Kid trunks could make Gotenks and achive SSJ3, that would be their only hope really. As for the 1st fight I think The horsemen can be taken out by Future Trunks and Gohan alone. The hulk would be the only stinker though. he is the wild card of the horsemen I think. As for The big guy I think he could overpower Goku and vegeta. SSJ3 is very hard to maintain and takes a massive toll on the body. if they were SSJ 4 they would have a chance. but I am going with Apocolypse

Tien and Yamacha Haven't been weaker then Raditz since the 23rd Budokai and Raditz fight, they were all stronger then him during the Saiyajin arc. Tien was able to hold off Semi Perfect Cell the same one whose Cell imperfect that just blew a hole in Kamiccolo who is much stronger then Jinzoningen arc SSJ Vegeta. Piccolo not that special?!?!?! he is the strongest on that team much stronger than Goten and Trunks even in there SSJ forms,has pretty good regen and is a battle genius. Piccolo is far from useless.
As for the other fight Goku and Vegeta have been in The Room of Spirit and Time for a long time in the setup they could have mastered the other 2 SSJ forms and negated energy issues, Not that its needed SSJ Gogeta could do it.


1. Iceman is part of the atmosphere basically. They will not be able to completely destroy him as long as any water is around.

You know how easy it would be to lure him into the Room of Spirit and Time and just destroy the door though that is extreme but meh, Also Mufuba and evaporating the water.

2. Colossus is Juggernaut. The Z-Fighters have nothing to stop him. I could picture characters like Tien or Yamcha blasting him and Colossus walking through it and grabbing them by the throat. I believe it would be similar to Cell vs Tien except Colossus wouldnt be knocked back at all. Now granted Colossus doesnt have the speed to catch them in an open fight though.

Lock him in the ROSAT or Mufuba, destroy every last atom he has like Chibi Boo (Gotenks could do it Piccolo could to after the training given.)


3. With Cyclops new, seemingly more powerful optic blasts, he could cause some damage. He cant physically fight to keep up with the Z-Fighters but he is very accurate with his blasts and bouncing them off surfaces to hit opponents. He may even be able to stalemate ki blasts with it.

When Cyclops does this casually
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We can talk about him hanging with Saiyajin saga DBZer's


4. The X-Men are a cohesive unit that works really well together. While the Z-Fighters are all friends, they mostly fight one on one battles. The only team fighters are Goten and young trunks.

Goten and Trunks only work because Goten takes direction from Trunks well. Not that it matters But the Z-Fighters do have an elected leader most of the time (On namek it was Vegeta, during that saiyajins it was Piccolo) and they do work well as a group see the Saiyajin battle Piccolo created a plan to catch Nappa off guard and pounded him around if Gohan weren't a coward at that point they would have injured him badly.


5. Magneto's shield is powerful enough to stop most ki blasts. He could simply protect himself inside while striking out with his other attacks.

Are his shields time tested against multiple moon busters flying at his face (At thats considered casual Piccolo, lol at serious Piccolo)


6. Apocalypse has the powers and raw strength alone to handle most of the first team. When you add in the other amped up horsemen, they can overwhelm the first team of Z-Fighters.

No he doesn't, he has the strength to hurt them but is to slow he gets destroyed by a stradust breaker destroying his energy pool
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 11:08 AM

Superjail Bot takes them to superjail for making lot of chaos in the Universes.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 11:18 AM

The option to lure him there won't work because there is still water outside of the door

Colossus is too powerful with magic to completely destroy him.

Magneto is powerful enough and he won't be attacked by more than one at a time because they will be preoccupied with the other xmen

Apocalypse can has more than enough abilities, raw power, and brains. Then add in he has the horsemen.

Ill provide more proof when I'm not using my phone.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 11:27 AM

The option to lure him there won't work because there is still water outside of the door
Lol no theres not xD did you watch DBZ (Just wondering.) The Room of Spirit and Time is a separate dimension completely cut off from the real world when the door is destroyed there is no way out unless you have dimensional teleportation.

Colossus is too powerful with magic to completely destroy him.
Has he tanked anything as strong as these characters can dish out there all (Except maybe Yamcha) stronger than Freeza and his dad who could have ended the planet with a single casual blast. Majin Boo was a magic creature but he is still gone.

Magneto is powerful enough and he won't be attacked by more than one at a time because they will be preoccupied with the other xmen
And one can casually destroy multiple earth sized planets at this point what has he done that shows he can take it (Assuming he doesn't get blitzed)

Apocalypse can has more than enough abilities, raw power, and brains. Then add in he has the horsemen.
He so outclassed in speed by Goku and Vegeta let alone Gogeta before he reacts his energy will be gone and he will be left dead, Gogeta then proceeds to solo by himself.

Ill provide more proof when I'm not using my phone.
Ok ill be waiting.



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Posted 03 February 2013 - 11:37 AM

First you can't lure an element into a dimension

The power of the juggernaut has proven to be able to be unstoppable. When he starts moving there blasts won't stop him. While he isn't fast enough to catch them but while they are using there main attacks they are stationary.

Magneto can react to northstar, then he can react to the z fighters. His shields stood up to galactus and he destroys planets also.

There speed does nothing when they don't have an attack that can kill him. He absorbs energy and can easily withstand there punches and kicks.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 11:53 AM

First you can't lure an element into a dimension
He is still a person he isnt just the element h2o he doesn't become every drop of water on the planet.

The power of the juggernaut has proven to be able to be unstoppable. When he starts moving there blasts won't stop him. While he isn't fast enough to catch them but while they are using there main attacks they are stationary.
And? Even if they can't destroy him they have multiple ways of sealing him plus he is so slow compared to them he just becomes an guy running around and they just ignore him.

Magneto can react to northstar, then he can react to the z fighters. His shields stood up to galactus and he destroys planets also.
How fast was Northstar moving when Mags reacted to him if it's less then 192,200 km/s then he cant react to them. (Though there speed should be far faster then this since it was done by jobber Piccolo I'm just trying to not use Kaioken and SSJ multipliers.)
Edit: Also can I see the scan of him taking Galactus's blast I wanna see if Galactus was at all serious even a little since it could be like me swiping at a fly and it living.



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Posted 03 February 2013 - 12:16 PM

Iceman can become every drop of water in the area. He can freeze people's blood itself.

While he isn't fast enough to attacks them, they have to attack him at some point. If they don't they can never win. Colossus could just wait them out until they are tired like what normally happens after awhile.

Don't know the exact level of Galactus but at 10% his max, he is still stronger than any of the z fighters

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 12:30 PM

Iceman can become every drop of water in the area. He can freeze people's blood itself.
And the Z-Fighters can control there bodies to extremes Vegetto manipulated the areas Boohan was inside of him. They can heat up the area and evaporate the water or there bodies if he trys to freeze them plus there would be no water where the put him Piccolo grabs him throws him in there before he can react.

While he isn't fast enough to attacks them, they have to attack him at some point. If they don't they can never win. Colossus could just wait them out until they are tired like what normally happens after awhile.
He will be so easy to lock away its silly at his speed they would make sport of him he is so slow compared to them. Hell chuck him into space while he isn't moving.

Don't know the exact level of Galactus but at 10% his max, he is still stronger than any of the z fighters
Unless the new DBZ movie and the almighty Bills is as strong as promised hello Skyfather top tiers B)
So you act like Magneto stands a snowballs chance in hell against a 10% Galactus hell he would do worse then the Z-Fighters. Galactus could have been so casual with the attack that it isn't impressive Magneto is that far below him.



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Posted 03 February 2013 - 02:31 PM

Like I said before Magneto, Rogue and Storm can be a huge problem. I'm not deciding who wins yet. But just pointng out...

1. I keep hearing people say Magneto can control the iron in people's blood. If that's true than that makes him very dangerous.


This power was introduced way back in the Avengers. In those stories he used it to make the heroes his slaves by regulating the flow of blood to their brains. It was one of the unlikeliest rationales for mind-control I can remember. But yes, he can control the iron in blood.

2. Rogue has Ms Marvel's powers. Ms Marvel can asborb any time of energy, so I believe since Rogue has her powers she can asborb the Z-Fighters energy. If Ms Marvel asborbs too much energy than she turns to the Binary state, Binary who is a PROVEN planet buster. Now I don't know if Rogue can turn into Binary since she has Ms Marvel's powers, but I am just speculating... Also Rogue can easily take out one of the Z-Fighters by asborbing their powers.


Someone may correct me on this, but I don't think so. Rogue absorbed Ms. Marvel's powers fairly early in her career. Back then, all Ms. M had was a super-strength, a level of invulnerability, and flight. It was only when she got her powers back that she gained energy absorbtion so Rogue wouldn't have access to it.




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