I said it was Bootenks who had Gotenk's power and was a little above Saikyo no Gohan after 14 years Gotenks is on his level or higher.
Never said she couldn't, this is fodder Goku from the 23rd Budokai Generic Freeza Grunt>>>Him and he wasn't lifting jack he was punching. To give an idea I can barley punch with 20lbs in my hand without falling over however I can bench my weight (170) if the difference was the same for Goku (Though he is trained and punching with 40 tons easily so this number is likely higher.) he could bench 340 tons its still from a gag scene so no one cares.
ABC logic does work in this case cause it all comes down to Ki, Piccolo has more Ki in is pinky in the Cell Saga than Freeza does he can push more energy into an attack more energy means bigger fireworks. Goku couldn't breath in space because of his biological need for oxygen not because of his Ki. They have shown they can cause they have more ki Goten and Trunks beat 2 opponents in base that were equal to Freeza who had a moot understanding of ki anyway just a ton of it. Also tell the whole story Chibi Boo was about to murk the earth with a casual baseball sized blast and Vegeta deflected it he made another one the next instant that could destroy the earth 10x over and Goku and Vegeta couldn't power up fast enough to deflect an attack like that was already ready to fire and that Boo is far stronger than either of them as SSJ1s.
Rogue is a non factor..You you win the debate on DBZ characters being more powerful than Rogue with Ms Marvels powers since Rogue can't absorb their enegy like Ms Marvel would and she isn't as physically strong as Ms Marvel.