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Posted 29 January 2013 - 04:31 PM

If DS can tag Flash and Flash, he can tag Namor.


Again Flash wasn't aware of him and DS had prep time. And I'm talking about combat speed really.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 04:36 PM

Uh.

Deathstroke has prep time of a week, and this is 52 Deathstroke - i.e. vastly superior to prior Deathstroke. He has the means of actually injuring Namor a la energy lance and prometheum sword. He has the means of maneuvering Namor into a setting best fit for the assassination. He'll learn Namor's capabilities and easily adjust accordingly.

I don't really have to elaborate on Deathstroke's capabilities and feats do I? If anything, Namor is more likely to underestimate Deathstroke and this in conjunction with all that's going for Slade... yeah, it's the latter's victory. The arguments made for Namor are pretty much worthless considering what Deathstroke can do and manipulate.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 04:37 PM

1. Also meaning that DS defintely won't be able to get him and Namor can throw large objects at him.
2. Namor has already been in positions like these. The only thing DS has for him is that sword really.
3. Namor has to be cunning and wise, he's a king. As for h2h, Namor was going toe to toe with Wolverine, Black Panther and I think Captain America. I think Namor earned his scripts in h2h and I think he can still KO DS.
4. I wasn't really saying that, I was really saying that DS would be to slow to dodge Namor. As Comic Book Fan mentioned Namor is faster than sound.



I think you are under the impression that Slade would fight him directly, which simply isn't the case. At all.

Also, a few of you seem to still be thinking of Slade in pre-flashpoint.
As it has been stated several times by several different people, New 52 Slade is far superior than Pre-reboot.
And if you aren't very savvy of New 52 DS, you cannot argue against him, due to not knowing much about him.

DS has more than just his sword to hurt Namor.
He went toe to toe with them because of his abilities and not entirely on his h2h.
And so what if he is a king? Slade is far more intelligent, far wiser and far more cunning.

Namor isn't aware of what to expect at all and Slade has prep, so really, it'd probably end in Slade's favor.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 04:46 PM

I think you are under the impression that Slade would fight him directly, which simply isn't the case. At all.

Also, a few of you seem to still be thinking of Slade in pre-flashpoint.
As it has been stated several times by several different people, New 52 Slade is far superior than Pre-reboot.
And if you aren't very savvy of New 52 DS, you cannot argue against him, due to not knowing much about him.

DS has more than just his sword to hurt Namor.
He went toe to toe with them because of his abilities and not entirely on his h2h.
And so what if he is a king? Slade is far more intelligent, far wiser and far more cunning.

Namor isn't aware of what to expect at all and Slade has prep, so really, it'd probably end in Slade's favor.


1. I think I am fully aware of that this is 52 DS...
2. Namor fighting skills in the Marvel handbook is a 6! 7 being the highest.
3. Namor's intelligence in the Marvel handbook is a 4, which means he is a around genius/gifted. Because a 2 is average in the handbooks.
4. Nobody as of yet has not explained how DS would react to Namor's speed blitz and one shotting DS.
5. I already told you Namor has beaten people with prep time.
6. I hope you have not forgotten that Namor can sense people, Black Panther tried to sneak up on him and it didn't even work. So if DS tries a sneak attack its out of the question.

Show me 52 DS reacting to a speed blitz by someone as fast like Namor.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 04:46 PM

Slade can take this but as for the plan to lure Namor into a dehydration warehouse by holding someone he cares about hostage...Namor killed his ex wife to send a message...yeah.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 04:47 PM

Slade can take this but as for the plan to lure Namor into a dehydration warehouse by holding someone he cares about hostage...Namor killed his ex wife to send a message...yeah.


I know, I just wanted to think of a silly explanation.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 04:51 PM

1. I think I am fully aware of that this is 52 DS...
2. Namor fighting skills in the Marvel handbook is a 6! 7 being the highest.
3. Namor's intelligence in the Marvel handbook is a 4, which means he is a around genius/gifted. Because a 2 is average in the handbooks.
4. Nobody as of yet has not explained how DS would react to Namor's speed blitz and one shotting DS.
5. I already told you Namor has beaten people with prep time.
6. I hope you have not forgotten that Namor can sense people, Black Panther tried to sneak up on him and it didn't even work. So if DS tries a sneak attack its out of the question.

Show me 52 DS reacting to a speed blitz by someone as fast like Namor.


1. If you really understood the power of New 52 DS you wouldn't be arguing that he can't beat Namor in this rumble.
2. Marvel's handbook stats aren't good things to go off of.
3. Refer to 2.
4. I did, he wouldn't allow Namor to speed blitz him because Namor doesn't know Slade is the man who's going to kill him 'till it's too late.
5. Namor doesn't have prep time against Slade in this fight. He doesn't even know Slade is the man who is after him. Prep time against an unknown enemy is almost useless.

I don't have to, since he won't put himself in that position.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 04:54 PM

i give up slade is batman from 10 years ago on these forums.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 05:01 PM

1. If you really understood the power of New 52 DS you wouldn't be arguing that he can't beat Namor in this rumble.
2. Marvel's handbook stats aren't good things to go off of.
3. Refer to 2.
4. I did, he wouldn't allow Namor to speed blitz him because Namor doesn't know Slade is the man who's going to kill him 'till it's too late.
5. Namor doesn't have prep time against Slade in this fight. He doesn't even know Slade is the man who is after him. Prep time against an unknown enemy is almost useless.

I don't have to, since he won't put himself in that position.


1. You haven't shown me anything that says he can beat Namor. You still have not shown me 52 DS reacting to a speed blitz from someone as fast as Namor.
2. It's what Marvel puts out for their characters.
3. I already told you it means average Thor is a two, but we know he is not dumb he just isn't super intelligent like someone like Superman. He's just average.
4. Again he has senses.
5. Okay you have a point... But just look at this.
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Namor wasn't even aware that Black Panther was coming for him yet he sensed Black Panther. What I've been saying is that sneak attacks will not work. DS best chances are traps.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 05:15 PM

1. You haven't shown me anything that says he can beat Namor. You still have not shown me 52 DS reacting to a speed blitz from someone as fast as Namor.
2. It's what Marvel puts out for their characters.
3. I already told you it means average Thor is a two, but we know he is not dumb he just isn't super intelligent like someone like Superman. He's just average.
4. Again he has senses.
5. Okay you have a point... But just look at this.
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Namor wasn't even aware that Black Panther was coming for him yet he sensed Black Panther. What I've been saying is that sneak attacks will not work. DS best chances are traps.




1.
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He defeated Starfire while dodging her while she was blitzing and tanked her starbolts and her fists. (Starfire is very strong also, so it's not like DS can't hang with Namor's power)
And that's pre-52 DS. He is wayyyy superior now.

2. Marvel has stated that the statistics they show aren't entirely accurate nor up-to-date.

3. He can easily be outsmarted by DS.

4. He has senses that apply to the Ocean. Slade isn't going to be near the Ocean so.. yeah.

5. In that scan he states the limitations of his senses.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 05:17 PM

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He defeated Starfire, and dodge her while she was blitzing and tanked her starbolts. (And that's pre-52 DS. He is wayyyy superior now.)

2. Marvel has stated that the statistics they show aren't entirely accurate nor up-to-date.

3. He can easily be outsmarted by DS.

4. He has senses that apply to the Ocean. Slade isn't going to be near the Ocean so.. yeah.

5. In that scan he states the limitations of his senses.


Fine DS takes it but not easily, but it doesn't look like Starfire was even going really fast.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 05:18 PM

It's not deathstrokes style to sneak attack. He will lure namor into his attacks. He will play off of namors extreme arrogance. He will allow namor to get close and like with Lobo use a thermite grenade. It blew half of Lobo's face off. He will use his energy lance to cut straight through him. By simply daring namor to fight him without being in water is enough of a slap in the face for namor to be outsmarted by slade due to namors pride.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 05:22 PM

Fine DS takes it but not easily, but it doesn't look like Starfire was even going really fast.


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Evades Superman too.
Also pre-52 DS.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 05:23 PM

^^^Superman wasn't even going that fast.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 05:26 PM

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He even defeated the Teen Titans alone.
Also, pre 52.

The above scan says it all.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 05:28 PM

^^^Superman wasn't even going that fast.


Doesn't matter. It Slade doesn't want to get hit by a target he's planned against, he won't get hit. Most of the time.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 05:30 PM

Doesn't matter. It Slade doesn't want to get hit by a target he's planned against, he won't get hit.


Most of the people Slade fights they hold back against him.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 05:31 PM

Most of the people Slade fights they hold back against him.


Wrong.

I take it you don't read much of Deathstroke? Especially New 52?

Overall: Namor loses, Slade wins.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 05:33 PM

Wrong.

I take it you don't read much of Deathstroke? Especially New 52?

Overall: Namor loses, Slade wins.


Wrong about what?

And I already agreed Slade wins due to prep.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 05:34 PM

Pre-52 Deathstroke btw fyi would still have a decent chance against Namor.

52 Deathstroke just has it all going for him. :D




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