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Posted 28 January 2013 - 11:43 PM

Deathstroke (New 52)

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Namor (Current)

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Setup: Deathstroke has been given his next mission by a unknown employer and it's to kill Namor. Deathstroke has been paid in advance and the amount is in the millions. Deathstroke not only takes the mission because of how much he was paid but because he feels Namor is the perfect challenge to defeat to send a message to all his enemies why he is the best mercenary in the world. Deathstroke has a week of prep to get ready and find information on Namor. Namor has learned somebody has been hired to kill him and for reasons unknown. However he doesn't know it's Deathstroke. Deathstroke can attack Namor where ever he decides is the best place to do so.

Who wins?

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 11:43 PM

Learn More About
Namor the submariner
Read more about Namor the submariner at Wikipedia
Official Site: Marvel Comics Links: Wiki-Namor Marvel Directory-Namor Marvel Universe-Namor

Deathstroke
Read more about Deathstroke at Wikipedia
Official Site: DC Comics Links: Wikipedia Titans Tower Villains Rapsheet



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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:25 AM

He's not getting paid enough for the beating he's gonna get.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:28 AM

iirc Deathstroke has a weapon that's capable of injuring the likes of Starfire with ease - it should be able to do the same to Namor, especially a shot to the face...

A week of prep is essentially all he needs... his promethum sword, that spear-shooter thing I mentioned in first line, and other stuff make it possible for him to injure if not kill Namor with sufficient planning.

EDIT: His energy lance!

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:32 AM

Deathstroke.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:40 AM

I thought this would be a nice debate because I don't think people talked much about how this fight would go on here. So far difference in opinions. I wonder thought if Slade would be able to attack Namor on land since Namor spends alot of time underwater in his kingdom. Slade would have to be smart in his attack and the weapons he uses.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 01:03 AM

DC's greatest strategist has one week of prep time against an enemy he knows a good bit about?
Slade, comfortably.

He's got all the equipment he needs to take Namor down.
& Namor isn't smart enough to prevent himself from falling into whatever trap Slade lays out.

DS all the way.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 02:03 AM

Okay... more analysis.

Slade has to do this on dry land; he's giving up too big an advantage otherwise. Any good plan will involve isolating Namor from water because the Submariner's ability to recover his strength is a game changer. Not only that, no matter how good his reflexes are, Slade will never match Namor's speed and maneuverability underwater.

Is Slade smart enough to find a way to fight Namor in a place where there is no readily availabile water? Probably, though if Namor finds even a working tap or a few bottles of drinking water, it's bad news.

Is Namor smart enough to avoid a trap? Possibly, though he's so arrogant that it probably doesn't matter. He's never been hard for a smart foe to manipulate and won't be here.

Who is faster and more skilled? Slade, for sure. Namor is no slouch though. He has many decades of fighting experience under his belt and if fast enough to have gotten caught the likes of Captain America, Daredevil, and Spiderman. For that matter, he's caught the Whizzer (Speed Demon) before and he is fast enough to skim across water, create whirlwinds, or run up the side of a building. Slade will get in more blows, sure, but Namor will land some too, and his will be much more telling.

Who has better weapons? Slade, for sure... unledd Namor brings alone the indestructable Trident of Neptune, and that's unlikely. Can the sword hurt Namor? It seems likely given all that's been said about promethium, but can it easily kill a man who has withstood repeated blows from the Hulk's fists, Thor's hammer, Iron Man's repulsor rays, Wolverine's claws, etc? Unless the argumant is that the sword is vastly superior to these other weapons, it's clear that Slade will have to pick Namor apart a bit at a time.

Who is stronger? Slade is as strong as 10 men and Namor's strength on dry land is just shy of the Hulk's. In anything remotely like a contest of strength, Slade will get squashed by a bug.

Can Slade's armor protect him? To some degree, but not enough. Slade has been hurt by blows from Batman through the mesh. It's flexible armor that prevents things like bullets, blades, and energy beams from penetrating, but it won't do much against the kind of crushing blows Namor uses. Lest you doubt, here's a thought experiment. A chainmail sharksuit is excellent protection against bites, jagged rocks, knives, etc. If you put your shark suit on and leap out a 6th floor window, the chainmail will hold up pretty well. I imagine it won't be punctured or torn at all. You, however, will be dead.

Slade is extremely good, but he's so far out of his power class here that his chances of winning are bleak. The smary trap would be to lure Subby to the middle of the desert and remotely set off a nuke from hundreds of miles away. Any plan that involves hand to hand combat with Namor is not smart.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 02:12 AM

Very good analysis. You brought up excellent points.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 02:14 AM

Thank you.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 03:00 AM

Aye, except for the fact that the entire analysis, on Deathstroke's part at least, seems to be based on Pre-Flashpoint, rather than New 52 Deathstroke.

For example, New 52 Deathstroke has, IIRC, never encountered Batman. And his armor is far superior to his Pre-Flashpoint counterpart.

And just like his armor, New 52 Deathstroke himself, is far superior to his Pre-Flashpoint counterpart.


For Pre-Flashpoint Deathstroke, this would be a challenge. For the New 52 Deathstroke, he calls it tuesday.


Edit: Before you start yelling. Yes, I'm exaggerating. It's a way to underline the point. That Deathstroke is far superior to his Pre-Flashpoint counterpart, and that he wins easily.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 05:12 AM

Aye, except for the fact that the entire analysis, on Deathstroke's part at least, seems to be based on Pre-Flashpoint, rather than New 52 Deathstroke.

For example, New 52 Deathstroke has, IIRC, never encountered Batman. And his armor is far superior to his Pre-Flashpoint counterpart.

And just like his armor, New 52 Deathstroke himself, is far superior to his Pre-Flashpoint counterpart.


For Pre-Flashpoint Deathstroke, this would be a challenge. For the New 52 Deathstroke, he calls it tuesday.


Edit: Before you start yelling. Yes, I'm exaggerating. It's a way to underline the point. That Deathstroke is far superior to his Pre-Flashpoint counterpart, and that he wins easily.

agreed. His new armor is made of Nth metal. While not as much has been shown of its durability besides his fight with Lobo, for Hawkman it works in protecting him from blows from Black Adam. It has the property to help him heal faster and that actually would increase his natural healing factor while wearing it.

While fighting Lobo he did not have much info to use to prepare for a fight. He saw some video and was told he was extremely powerful. Also he can use Namor's pride against him like he recently did against the immortal man he fought. Found out the man could only die when he wanted to and used it against him.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 06:13 AM

The stories I've read are all pre-Flashpoint so I relied heavily on research for the analysis. The level of power you guys are talking about isn't mentioned in any source I could find. I'm thinking I should drop out of discussions involving new 52 characters since everyone's changed so radically.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:43 PM

i haven't read any of the new 52 deathstroke comics but from what i have read of him he would of had to get one hell of an upgrade to stand a chance against namor.
even of you uped the old deathstroke 10 fold in his strength or speed he would not be that close to namor.
that would give him the strength of 100 men which by comic standards would be 50 ton strength range which is half of namor at his weakest so yeah namor is still much stronger.
speed namor moves faster than sound deathstroke doesn't.
the only way i see it possible to argue deathstroke over namor is abc logic in which we frown on here now days so is what i have been told.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 01:59 PM

I agree with all of your points SirMethos.

However,

For example, New 52 Deathstroke has, IIRC, never encountered Batman.


Slade has encountered Batman in Batman: The Dark Knight vol 2 #4

Slade leaped onto the BatPlane, grabbed Batman through the windshield. and threw him towards the ground.
(Note: Slade was doped up on a substance that diminishes a fear of death)

I saw in another topic that you preferred if people corrected you on things that you were unsure about, soo yeah, there you have it.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 02:57 PM

Yeah and in that comic they seemed to know each other from a previous encounter we haven't see. Also many people are saying Deathstroke wins but not exactly how he would win. Namor spends alot of time underwater when he is not on a Avenger or X-Men team. Do people think Slade could actually beat him underwater? Namor isn't a idiot. He is not going to get so easily lured out of water. Slade would have to be smart on how to do that.

Just bringing up a interesting point.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 03:34 PM

Everyone makes it seem like Namor is unbeatable underwater.

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Namor is very proud and impulsive. If he he knows someone is hunting him, more likely than not, he'll want to make it known that he's ready for him.
And since Deathstroke isn't going to come after him in the water, Namor could wait in the water and never leave, giving him the win, but Namor is too proud to hide.

He's going to want to confront the man who dares attempt to kill him. And he'll have to do this on land.

Let's say Slade happens to get his attention.
He'd lure him into a large dehydration machine that can withstand Namor's strength disguised as a warehouse. (which costs him the millions of dollars he was paid in advance to build)

Slade is just cunning enough to pull this off and Namor is just impulsive enough to fall for it.

Then, after a decent fight, DS wins.

Sure, it's crazy but you get the gist.
With Millions of dollars and a week of prep on someone he's informed of a great deal, DS is very hard to defeat, especially post-flashpoint.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 03:35 PM

Namor didn't really lose that fight. He got pinned for about a second then let Grimm walk away.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 03:36 PM

He's not unbeatable, it's just hard to beat him if you're not on his level. Thing leaving him pinned like that is silly, since Namor has beaten Thing at least 3 times underwater.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 03:37 PM

Namor didn't really lose that fight. He got pinned for about a second then let Grimm walk away.


The fact that he was pinned underwater by the Thing (who isn't very fast or dexterous underwater and who was probably not as strong as Namor at the time due to being underwater) is enough proof that he can be defeated underwater without being super powerful.


EDIT: But that wasn't the main point I was trying to make anyway. lol




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