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#1 force_echo

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 07:12 PM

I know this has been discussed on the forum before, but this is a good video explaining completely fair, unbiased views on the subject.




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Posted 24 January 2013 - 10:52 PM

The violence in video games discussion is interesting to me because I can't take the side that video games causes video games seriously. To me it always seems as if that side is incredibly misinformed about what video games are and who plays video games-they think they have to "protect the children" from being warped by video games while being completely unaware that the average video gamer is 30+ years old, and that when a game requires adult consent to buy 90% of the time an adult is present to buy the game.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 11:08 PM

It's an interesting, mature, and entertaining video, and to be fair I do agree with them since I play video games with inherent violence. They may not be entirely unbiased, but everything they said was backed by evidence and logically stated their point. I think there should be more study into the effects of violence in video games, though I'm not going to get off my ass and do it, so I hope EA or Microsoft decides that it's in their best interest to run it themselves.

I'd especially like to see studies into whether competitive gaming (specifically online shooters Halo/CoD) leads to more anti-social behavior, because I have seen my ex-roommate tear a door of its hinges after a bad losing streak on CoD Black Ops, and I want to know if the game caused him to do it, or if he is just a jackass.

What I may disagree with is that the statement that the ESRB ratings prevent kids from getting their hands on violent video games. In many of the small retail stores I frequent, the ratings system is not enforced. I bought Blood Omen II when I was maybe 13 or so; I'd explain that it's a violent video game, but it's titled 'Blood Omen II', implying that the first Omen of Blood wasn't nearly bloody enough, so it goes without saying.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 11:23 PM

Sure, but an anecdote is pretty terrible evidence of a failure of the self-regulation of the video game industry. And, even if the game industry sold M games to underage people (which is quite likely back in 2002) it doesn't do so now.

Undercover Shoppers Find It Increasingly Difficult for Children to Buy M-Rated Games

ECA Institute:

The Federal Trade Commission has called the ESRB "the most comprehensive of the three industry systems.


According to those reports, the video game industry is actually better at regulating the purchace of M games to underage shoopers than the music and movie industry.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 11:39 PM

I won't have a chance to watch the video tonight. One quick observation though. I've seen studies that show a correlation between violent behavior and playing violent video games, but I've never seen a good study exploring the nature of the connection. A lot of folks seem to look at the fact that there's a connection and assume that it means the games cause the violence.

IMO, this is premature. It seems more likely to me that violent behavior and an unusual attraction to violent games are both symptoms of something deeper. A chaotic home situation, abusive or neglectful parents, bad schools, prevalence of gangs in the community, systemic poverty, etc. are the real culprits. I do think parents should be responsible about their children's video game use, but it's too easy to scapegoat something like TV or video games and turn a blind eye to the bigger problems.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 12:04 AM

We need more violence in video games, and violent video games should be a requirement in kids' education.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 09:21 AM

Psych 101 says correlation does not mean causation.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 09:27 AM

Playing Halo make me want to t-bag aliens.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 09:36 AM

Playing Mass Effect 3 makes me want to punch reporters in the face.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 10:12 AM

I find parents at fault, how many times have you played against kids in an M rated game. How do you think they got thoe games?

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 10:13 AM

Playing Mass Effect 3 makes me want to punch reporters in the face.


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Posted 25 January 2013 - 11:28 AM

Well, I mean, there's little you can do if a parent buys a kid an M rated video game. The parents have to enforce it just as much as the retailer. I know GameStop has good rules, they even have a "step up to the counter" rule that says if a kid tries to buy an M-rated game, but then comes back later with his parent to buy it for him, he still can't get the game.

Also, I do agree that sometimes blaming violence on video games is a scapegoat that draws attention away from the real cause.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 11:36 AM

I'll simply refer you to this article: http://www.huffingto..._n_2474438.html

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 01:17 PM

Psych 101 says correlation does not mean causation.

That is true sometimes.

Backyard wrestling started because of kids watching WWE. So in that instance, the correlation did cause, causation.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 01:35 PM

That is true sometimes.

Backyard wrestling started because of kids watching WWE. So in that instance, the correlation did cause, causation.


No, that was just causation all along. Correlation alone does not turn into causation, they are entirely separate definitions. You can have both causation and correlation, but correlation alone will never magically become the cause of the relationship.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 01:39 PM

Fair enough.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 05:27 PM

(which is quite likely back in 2002)

I tried buying Vice City in '05, I think. Wasn't quite sixteen yet, so they wouldn't sell it to me. Of course, if I had just said "Yes" when she asked, I might have been able to get it. *Shrugs*

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 05:50 PM

Why the hell did you say no?

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 06:06 PM

Yeah, they generally don't push things like that, hehe.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 08:09 PM

Why the hell is DRob such a good honest boy?!




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