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Posted 27 January 2013 - 01:29 PM

Which are both canon in the Marvel multiverse. So you didn't show anything. Sorry. Try again.


Read again...I clearly did not mention any Multiverse. I said it is not canon to the 616 universe which is the mainstream universe.

So your comment is void.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 01:32 PM

Plus Marvel Zombies directly affects the 616 universe multiple times. Again you're wrong.


I never stated that Marvel Zombies never effected the 616 universe. It still a different universe from the 616 universe and that's all that's important.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 01:32 PM

But it's canon to the MarvelMultiverse, which is just as much a Marvel comics creation as the 616 universe, so it is canon to Marvel. :)

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 01:34 PM

I never stated that Marvel Zombies never effected the 616 universe. It still a different universe from the 616 universe and that's all that's important.


That means nothing. Still canon. :)

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 01:36 PM

But it's canon to the MarvelMultiverse, which is just as much a Marvel comics creation as the 616 universe, so it is canon to Marvel. data:image/png;base64,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


Again read my lips Nova. :)

I said its not canon to the 616 universe which is the mainstream universe. I know the Marvel Multiverse is as much Marvel creation as the 616 universe. But the 616 universe is the main universe.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 01:36 PM

That means nothing. Still canon. data:image/png;base64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAABQAAAAUCAMAAAC6V+0/AAAABGdBTUEAANbY1E9YMgAAAiJQTFRFV0AI////V0AIV0AIV0AIV0AIV0AIV0AIV0AIV0AIV0AIV0AIV0AIV0AIV0AIV0AIV0AIV0AIV0AIV0AIV0AIV0AIV0AIV0AIV0AIV0AIV0AIV0AIV0AIV0AIV0AIW0IIV0AIW0IIW0QJW0IIV0AIV0AIV0AIQzQQa0oJbEwJbVELbk4Kb0wJb1QMcVILc1cMlF8Ll2oNmXEQnn8Vo2gLpGgLpGoMpW8NpXEOp3YQq4MUrH0Rro0Xr4QUsI4XsZAYuXQNwIkSwI0VyIAOyocQyqcdy4QQzosS1Kod1rIf3ZMS3ZUT3a8c3o4Q3rcf4ZER5JUR5ZYS5ZgS5aIW55wT554U6KkZ6qQV6qUW6qYW6qcX66gW7Lsf7a0X7a0Y7a8Z7bEb7rAY7rEY7rMa7rMb77EY77Ma77QZ77cd77oc8bgb8bkb8bob8b4f8cUh8skh87wb870c88If88kk89Im9Mwl9cMd9cch9sUe9scf9sgg9skh9swi9swk98og988k99Mm+c8h+dMk+dYm+9Mh+9Mi+9Uj+9Yk+9cl+9gl+9kn+9on+9oo+9op+9so/Ncl/Ngl/Non/Nso/N0o/N0p/dkk/dok/d4o/eAp/eEp/tsk/twk/t0k/t4l/uAn/uAp/uIq/uMp/uMq/uQq/94l/94m/98l/98m/+Am/+An/+En/+Eo/+Io/+Ip/+Mo/+Mp/+Mq/+Qp/+Qq/+Qr/+Uq/+UrX/9jcQAAACd0Uk5TAAABCQoLHCYnMDY4OjuCg4WHiImKm56fx8jJys3P1Ofp6enq7/DyAdnyKAAAAUZJREFUGNNt0b9Kw1AYhvH3OzlJ2qRpiiVCIxUUdXIRdFd0cfQOvA4HF3UWr0Fw83J0VEQpaLX/myY5Od/n0FGfS/g9RPibhgBwfB00MMuqwgIgDQBelMbRLj9NRp/TEgCRKD9Jjjq+FIvy9fm7XzA5BC/dPuu00tjx0EhsubCk4Mbd03Z6DVq5TcJ4J21qaPido6BNsACaeR50J1mm4cVhXQTCAPmeG0QuFIKWH4sFiwVHNa3jOjRqG2KV3FjgikVEtA8FkvzCMphZeLZ4rARQyF8KWGZhFlsYmMpAYTEuzi8ti3A1Hz4cmlEGh5x64u3fHSjJsp/7k1H+NTBEemVrL6o9AACOx9nH27Aiktra+nboKnA5n5TDt15BGih7ZrQZaqlMVbwP+gYgEsCLVptRk6fjWX9aAkS0RHbDBmZzs0Sm/3b8Apz1nhT0ICJTAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC


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Posted 27 January 2013 - 01:38 PM

Show us a link that states it isn't canon? Because until you do, all you're doing is spouting speculative nonsense. It's an official comic, Marvel approved of its creation, and there's absolutely no evidence whatsoever to suggest that it isn't canon.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 01:39 PM

Show us a link that states it isn't canon?


I already did...A million times btw. Now show me a link where Marvel states its a part of the 616 universe, which no one has shown. And what do you mean Marvel approved of its creation??? Marvel also approved of the creation of their films,now does that make it canon to the 616 universe?

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 01:48 PM

What part of IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE IN THE 616 UNIVERSE TO BE CANON don't you understand?

I guess the Ultimate Universe was all a dream. OH WAIT IT IS NOT.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 02:03 PM

I already did...A million times btw. Now show me a link where Marvel states its a part of the 616 universe, which no one has shown. And what do you mean Marvel approved of its creation??? Marvel also approved of the creation of their films,now does that make it canon to the 616 universe?


Lol, those links you posted prove nothing. All they say is that the DC Universe is part of a different multiverse to Marvel's, they say absolutely nothing about whether it's canon or not. You must have a very strange way of interpreting things if you think either of those links qualify as points in your favor..

There ARE no links that state whether it's canon or not, but common sense should tell you that it is. And seriously? That is a completely different scenario to what I'm suggesting. It's common knowledge that the movies are adaptations taking place in different universes, while there's no evidence whatsoever that the JLA/Avengers crossover took place in some alternate Earth. It seems clear that Marvel and DC had the mainstream versions of both their universes in mind when they made the crossover.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 02:14 PM

In other terms, each differing universe is canon to itself and no other universe. 616 is canon to itself, 1610 is canon to itself, 2149 is canon to itself. Taken together they are all canon to the Marvel Multiverse, which is canon. 616 is mainstream but that doesn't mean all the others aren't canon in their own right. In addition to what AvP said.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 02:15 PM

What part of IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE IN THE 616 UNIVERSE TO BE CANON don't you understand?

I guess the Ultimate Universe was all a dream. OH WAIT IT IS NOT.


WHAT PART OF IT THAT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT 616 IS A DIFFERENT UNIVERSE?

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 02:15 PM

In other terms, each differing universe is canon to itself and no other universe. 616 is canon to itself, 1610 is canon to itself, 2149 is canon to itself. Taken together they are all canon to the Marvel Multiverse, which is canon. 616 is mainstream but that doesn't mean all the others aren't canon in their own right. In addition to what AvP said.


That's more or less what everyone has been saying all along, in their own words.

Why did it come this far, exactly?

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 02:21 PM

Lol, those links you posted prove nothing. All they say is that the DC Universe is part of a different multiverse to Marvel's, they say absolutely nothing about whether it's canon or not. You must have a very strange way of interpreting things if you think either of those links qualify as points in your favor..

No you read again, you clearly did not understand what the link said. It had the JLA/Avengers crossover under the DC Universe? Now why would they do that? If the JLA/Avengers is suppose to be canon to the 616 universe.... -__-

There ARE no links that state whether it's canon or not, but common sense should tell you that it is. And seriously? That is a completely different scenario to what I'm suggesting. It's common knowledge that the movies are adaptations taking place in different universes, while there's no evidence whatsoever that the JLA/Avengers crossover took place in some alternate Earth. It seems clear that Marvel and DC had the mainstream versions of both their universes in mind when they made the crossover.


And I already posted a link where it places the JLA/Avengers in a different universe. So yeah there's the evidence. I don't know where you guys got the idea of Marvel stating the JLA/Avengers was canon to the 616 universe. Yes Marvel has copy rights to it and so does DC, but Marvel NEVER added it to their story line unlike DC.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 02:23 PM

This just comes back down to your odd way of interpreting things. It clearly states that DC is a different multiverse to Marvel's, not that JLA/Avengers takes place there.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 02:24 PM

That's more or less what everyone has been saying all along, in their own words.

Why did it come this far, exactly?


EXACTLY.... *rollseyes*.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 02:26 PM

This just comes back down to your odd way of interpreting things. It clearly states that DC is a different multiverse to Marvel's, not that JLA/Avengers takes place there.


Read where is says "First Appearance." Again only DC acknowledges.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 02:39 PM

Wrong. Marvel does too.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 02:43 PM

The Marvel Handbook only records 616 mainstream incidents until it specifically states otherwise, and the official Marvel Handbook overrides a Wikipedia article canonically. Therefore, JLA/Avengers is canon to both universes.

It doesn't have to have a lasting influence to be canon, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. There was an arc a while back called invasion of the Atlanteans where Namor invaded the surface world and caused a lot of damage in stuff. In the mainstream comic line outside of Namor's own title, it was never mentioned at all. This kind of thing happens literally all of the time, it doesn't mean that the Invasion of the Atlanteans arc was noncanon.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 02:51 PM

^^^^What are you talking about? There are various of Marvel vs DC crossovers mentioned in the handbooks.

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