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#1 Supes Rulez

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 07:15 PM

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to this?
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What the hell happened?

Frank Miller. When hearing his name fans either cheer or cringe, are overjoyed or enraged.

Ever since he entered the comic business he has been known for his flair for dramatic, hard-boiled, and often controversial storytelling, creating best-sellers like the acclaimed Dark Knight Returns and Sin City. Even his graphic novel 300 got a BADASS film in 2007.

But... then you remember he wrote the Dark Knight Strikes Again... and All Star Batman and Robin... And that he has emerged as an increasingly cynical, sexist, homophobic, and possibly racist nut who directed an absolute train wreck of a film, The Spirit. What happened?

When did his downward spiral begin, a spiral that led him to glorify Batman while ruining other heroes? We must find out how why he has become one of the most beloved AND the most hated in the comic book industry.

So when exactly did his storytelling start to seem (at the best) odd?

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 10:12 AM

I dont now where he started to slip but it sure does show. The things that made his stories so cool at one point he just started doing wrong. Dramatic narraration, gritty characters and of course at some point he couldnt write women anymore.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 11:35 AM

I have never read any of Frank Miller's work, but I was under the general impression it was quite good. Did he just start to think sex sells so just drew a huge ass on the front cover to sell?

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 11:48 AM

Sin City is pretty much the only Frank Miller thing I've ever liked, ever.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 12:38 PM

Dark Knight Returns inspired the 1989 Batman and was highly praised in general. Steven King called it something like "The greatest piece of comic art put to paper" (not exact quote, paraphrased).

He seems to be suffering from the onset of dementia or some other disease. He used to be shockingly cool, now he is a mentally damaged Republican...

EDIT: Not all of them are bad, but he is warped I think

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 12:49 PM

Dark Knight Returns wasn't good.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 12:54 PM

I liked Dark Knight Returns, Strikes Back, Sin City, and 300. All star Batman and Robin was terrible(see this rant extended in character chat).

I have no problem with Wonder Woman's ass staring at me though :P Yum.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 01:53 PM

I only buy his good stuff so I can pretend the rest doesn't happen. Year One was pretty good as well, I liked it and DKR, and haven't read Sin City.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 02:08 PM

Just curious....is that Wonder Woman on the Allstar Batman and Robin cover?

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 02:08 PM

Frank Miller's run on Daredevil was great as well.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 03:38 PM

Frank Miller's run on Daredevil was better than anything he ever did with Batman.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 04:41 PM

I agree with that Force. His Daredevil work was bettter and yet his few good work on Batman gets more attention.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 04:54 PM

I liked Dark Knight Returns, Strikes Back, Sin City, and 300. All star Batman and Robin was terrible(see this rant extended in character chat).

I have no problem with Wonder Woman's ass staring at me though Yum.

The problem is that Dark Knight Strikes Again is a mess, he's a sexist who thinks that 'strong woman' should mean unintelligent manhater, and he always derails Superman.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 04:54 PM

Frank Miller's run on Daredevil was great as well.

I forgot to mention that as one of his greats. Oops.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 04:58 PM

Just curious....is that Wonder Woman on the Allstar Batman and Robin cover?

Well, it's HIS version of Wonder Woman.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 05:02 PM

Frank MIller doesn't like or understand Superman. He should never be allowed to touch that character. The Spirit character sucked in general so that movie was going to be bad regardless. Miller's depiction of Wonder Woman was such a old view that goes back to even before the 1980s version of her character.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 09:48 PM

That's the thing with Miller with women they are either
1: A hooker, good or bad.
2: A manhater who borders on idiocy
3: A woman who's drawn like a transvestite/transsexual (Bruno, Ellen Yindel)
4: Fat

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 03:36 AM

That's the thing with Miller with women they are either
1: A hooker, good or bad.
2: A manhater who borders on idiocy
3: A woman who's drawn like a transvestite/transsexual (Bruno, Ellen Yindel)
4: Fat


Heh, quite realist then. :P *jokes*

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 07:36 AM

I think the things that makes him awful are similar to the things that made him great. Even in his Daredevil days there were stereotypes he'd fall into and characters he didn't understand. He really redefined DD, Kingpin, Punisher, and Bullseye in exciting ways, but others (like Captain America and Hulk) he just didn't seem to get.

He comes from such a cynical, hard-boiled place in his writing that he doesn't seem to believe in characters who are fundamentally decent people. If someone appears to be good and kind, they must be exposed as dangerously naive or totally corrupt hypocrites. :unsure:

I think he's a good but limited limited writer who ran out original ideas and keeps trying to recreate his early successes by going back to the same old tricks. It makes him predictable and he seems to think the only way to become unpredictable again is to shock people, even if the shocks are mindless and offensive.




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