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Match 13238 Clark Kent (Smallville) and Justice League and Justice Society of America vs. Apocalypse and Horsemen of Apocalypse and X-Men


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#61 Supes Rulez

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 06:59 PM

Awesome. I have to say Team 1 takes this.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 07:29 PM

Wonder Woman alone could take out Magneto and Storm. She is too fast for them to react to. Then if she removes her bracelets it is said she goes into a rage and it possibly stronger than Superman (new 52).


No, Wonder Woman alone could not take out Magneto, though it's quite possible that she could take out Storm.

Magneto has been shown capable of reacting fast enough to catch speedsters off guard, and was fast enough(both reaction and movement) to catch Northstar while he was blitz attacking Magneto(Magneto caught him by the throat, while Northstar was zipping around him, repeatedly punching him at high speed).


apocalypse has limitless strength he can't be hurt by most forms of attack magic doesn't do much you can't realy hurt him by brute strength either when he is at full strength going by powers matter manipulation couldn't do anything.
i realy don't see a way for the jla to beat him.


No, Apocalypse does not have "limitless strength", he has potentially limitless strength. It's a fine, but very distinct difference. And yes, he can be hurt, it's just difficult to do.

Apocalypse's major weakness in this fight, is his lack of speed.

going by powers hulk and apocalypse has limitless strength and i don't care how strong superman he has a limit and apocalypse can't be hurt with punches the one who has a shot is fate and thats only a maybe because we don't know how he responds to that kind of magic noone else here can hurt apocalypse even if they do he can heal himself at will psi attacks won't do a thing strength he is as strong as he wants to be without the good guy having to win apocalypse would never have lost.


Again, no. Neither Hulk, nor Apocalypse have "limitless strength", they have potentially limitless strength.

And neither of them have the speed to stand up to the heavy hitters on the opposite team.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 09:34 PM

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While Magneto can keep up with speedsters with his reaction time. What good does that do him against someone with as much raw power as Wonder Woman? Current Wonder Woman is more ruthless and appears to be stronger than before

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 10:15 PM

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Justice Society of America and Justice League and Clark Kent (Smallville): 17
Apocalypse and X-Men and Horsemen of Apocalypse: 12
FPA: 3.0


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Posted 10 January 2013 - 10:26 PM

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While Magneto can keep up with speedsters with his reaction time. What good does that do him against someone with as much raw power as Wonder Woman? Current Wonder Woman is more ruthless and appears to be stronger than before


His shields are easily powerful enough to withstand the force Wonder Woman can put against them, for the few moments it would take him to neutralize her.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 10:37 PM

Somebody should do a Magneto vs Wonder Woman battle so we can discuss this in more depth.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 11:30 PM

His shields are easily powerful enough to withstand the force Wonder Woman can put against them, for the few moments it would take him to neutralize her.

what is he going to do to neutralize her? She should be able to withstand anything Magneto can throw at her. She also at minimum has the strength to move a third of the planet.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 11:33 PM

what is he going to do to neutralize her? She should be able to withstand anything Magneto can throw at her. She also at minimum has the strength to move a third of the planet.


Stop the blood flow to her brain, and that way make her fall unconscious. Or stop the blood flow to her heart, and that way kill her. Just to give an example of one of the easiest ways he could neutralize her, with an absolute minimum of power.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 11:46 PM

what is he going to do to neutralize her? She should be able to withstand anything Magneto can throw at her. She also at minimum has the strength to move a third of the planet.


While there is a certain logic to this, I wonder it applies to WW's villains. How do they give her a hard time? Are they all more powerful than Magneto?

Just curious.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 02:23 AM

Stop the blood flow to her brain, and that way make her fall unconscious. Or stop the blood flow to her heart, and that way kill her. Just to give an example of one of the easiest ways he could neutralize her, with an absolute minimum of power.

technically she is magic in nature. Don't know about now but before she was part of the earth of some sort. The earth itself could actually aid in healing her.

Also in my initial comments I stated that I believe Zatanna could simply surpress the x gene in the mutants and render them simply human. It may be a stretch but I find it possible. Especially with the aid of dr fate

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 02:25 AM

While there is a certain logic to this, I wonder it applies to WW's villains. How do they give her a hard time? Are they all more powerful than Magneto?

Just curious.

not all bit most have some sort of magic involved that gives them the ability to harm her but in hades, ares, or other amazons the strength is a factor

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 02:31 AM

In the new 52 Wonder Woman is the daughter of Zeus and Hera. People are focusing on Zatanna and Wonder Woman which is great. What about the other powerhouses though like Alan Scott? Powergirl? and others?

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 02:33 AM

Hard to comment on every character who deserves it when there are so many involved.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 05:44 AM

In the new 52 Wonder Woman is the daughter of Zeus and Hera. People are focusing on Zatanna and Wonder Woman which is great. What about the other powerhouses though like Alan Scott? Powergirl? and others?

thats what I was trying to get at. Zatanna, Wonder Woman, and Clark would cause so serious trouble for team 2. When you add in the other characters it would begin to completely overwhelm them.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 12:03 PM

Hard to comment on every character who deserves it when there are so many involved.


That's the wonderful thing about these type of matches they end up challenging you that way.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 02:56 PM

Magneto's shields can definitely stand up to WW.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 03:44 PM

No, Wonder Woman alone could not take out Magneto, though it's quite possible that she could take out Storm.

Magneto has been shown capable of reacting fast enough to catch speedsters off guard, and was fast enough(both reaction and movement) to catch Northstar while he was blitz attacking Magneto(Magneto caught him by the throat, while Northstar was zipping around him, repeatedly punching him at high speed).




No, Apocalypse does not have "limitless strength", he has potentially limitless strength. It's a fine, but very distinct difference. And yes, he can be hurt, it's just difficult to do.

Apocalypse's major weakness in this fight, is his lack of speed.



Again, no. Neither Hulk, nor Apocalypse have "limitless strength", they have potentially limitless strength.

And neither of them have the speed to stand up to the heavy hitters on the opposite team.

even if they did injure him which is unlikely he could close the wounds as fast as they could hit him he has hit people on there level before so that will be no problem.
he could phaze put force fields increase his own mass and density to the point none of there attacks could realy harm him.
apocalypse can increase his strength at will he already got hit by clark once so he will increase his strength accordingly and beat the hell out of him speed isn't going to matter people slower than apocalypse hits superman all the time and apocalypse has hit people like thor who may not be quite as fast as supes but are pretty close

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 06:32 PM

I would just like to point out that current Magneto (and the OP said current versions unless stated otherwise) could not hold off Wonder Woman at all. He recently has shown trouble with small things like moving an 18 wheeler. His powers have been in flux along with Cyclops and Emma.

Currently he is a shadow of his former self.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 06:47 PM

In that case, you're right.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 06:51 PM

Aaah Legacy does bring up a good point. Magneto because of Cyclops is indeed having problems with his abilities like Emma, Colossus, and others. Magneto's powers could be fine for a couple of moments but then could give him problems. His powers have indeed been in flux.




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