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Match 13054 Oliver Queen (Arrow) vs. Batman Beyond


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#21 bigballerju

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 09:58 PM

Nope Terry has not had Bruce's help for everything. All Bruce does is give Terry some intel and information. That's it. Bruce back in the day as Batman had Dick Grayson, Tim drake, and Barbara as help. Terry had nobody but himself and had to get the job done. Look at the villains Terry faced. Powerful, smart, and more due to the fact they were meta-humans. They surpassed Bruce's villains and were way harder to defeat.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 10:03 PM

Nope Terry has not had Bruce's help for everything. All Bruce does is give Terry some intel and information. That's it. Bruce back in the day as Batman had Dick Grayson, Tim drake, and Barbara as help. Terry had nobody but himself and had to get the job done. Look at the villains Terry faced. Powerful, smart, and more due to the fact they were meta-humans. They surpassed Bruce's villains and were way harder to defeat.

and again Terry had Bruce's intel and strategic help. Also a suit that made him powerful enough to fight with super powered meta's This quite considerably more than Bruce had as Batman


Equipment

State-of-the-art Batsuit which automatically conforms to his size. The Batsuit features new gadgets such as glider wings, thrusters on the boots and even a cloaking device. It also has a list of abilities:
  • Enhanced strength by a factor of ten[1], ultimately allowing him to lift up to 1700 lbs.
  • Minimal reduction (or increase) in flexibility.
  • Enhanced visual assistance that allows him to see in the dark (visual from the Batsuit can be fed back to the main computer in the Batcave; it can also receive visual from the main computer, allowing for superior tactical planning). The visor can also serve as digital binoculars and an infra-red filter.
  • Personal communicator allows Terry to keep in constant contact with Bruce at the Batcave.
  • Enhanced ballistic protection.
  • Significantly resistant to heat, electricity, water, and vibrations, but only slightly resistant to radiation.
  • Built-in rebreather for underwater combat/exploration.
  • Dispensable Batarangs with a range of auxiliary functions, such as producing electric shocks. However, there is a limit to the amount of Batarangs the Batsuit can dispense; Batman has run out on at least one occasion.
  • Electrical discharges throughout the suit that can be activated by pushing the button on the belt.
  • Grappling guns built into the forearms.
  • Flashbang grenades.
  • Smoke pellets.
  • Flexicuffs.
  • Launchable tracers.
  • A retractable PIN or password decipherer in the form of a key on the right index finger.
  • Retractable wings under the arms to glide on.
  • Rocket boots enabling limited flight.
  • Electromagnetic pads in the soles of the boots enabling him to cling to walls and ceilings.
  • Sensitive touch microphone on index and middle fingers that permits eavesdropping through solid surfaces.
  • Drug identifier, utilized by dipping fingers into the substance.
  • Built-in cloaking device that enables almost complete camouflage. It allows camouflage extending into the visible light and infrared frequencies of the electromagnetic spectrum. A countermeasure used by Commissioner Barbara Gordon to this in one incident where she was hunting Batman down was through tracking him using an ultraviolet light to illuminate him.
  • Retractable claws which can be used to slice or facilitate climbing.
  • Can uplink with the Batmobile for remote piloting.
  • A remote kill function that can externally deactivate the suit from the Batcave.
  • The belt buckle also serves as a buzz saw to get out of a room quickly or to cut through denser material.


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Posted 09 December 2012 - 01:06 AM

LOL your point is proven.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 09:11 AM

Wait that suit was supposed to be shock-proof. Than was Terry constantly getting pwned by guys with tasers.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 12:27 PM

Terry's suit did get some upgrades over time to be fair. But none the less he is just as good as Batman as Bruce Wayne was. Like I said Bruce has said that himself.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 04:34 PM

A lot of what Terry did he was only capable of due to the suit, so no, he's not on a par with Bruce when he was Batman. And, again, their villains are not that comparable.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 04:41 PM

There is really no chance of Arrow winning this, first off he is more like Batman from the Nolan series and he doesn't have all the over the top weapons like he does in comics. I will say he is pretty dang lethal when it comes to fighting. I don't know how he would do against the Bat but he can definitely hold his own. I've watched the entire series thus far and he is capable of quite a bit. He can go up against professional hit-men without any weapons what so ever. Like I said, I don't know how he would do against the Bat but don't underestimate this version of Oliver Queen. He is a beast when it comes to both fighting and when it comes to weapons.

But like I said, he really doesn't have a chance against someone as over the top as Terry's Batman. Mainly because this version has such an advanced suit and with the skills he does have plus the suit, he would be way too much. Now if Terry didn't have the suit, now that would be much more of an even battle. I probably would have went with Olly but since Terry does, he really has no chance. Especially, since he doesn't have his wide variety of comic book trick arrows.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 05:06 PM

Yep, it's been nicely confirmed, Terry wins this pretty easily.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 06:41 PM

A lot of what Terry did he was only capable of due to the suit, so no, he's not on a par with Bruce when he was Batman. And, again, their villains are not that comparable.


Yes they are. His villains in the future were way more powerful plus they were smart. Regardless of what you believe Bruce Wayne has said Terry is just as good a Batman as he was. Superman has said the same thing I think as well.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 06:56 PM

Look, they aren't even comparable as Batman. Terry had numerous advantages that Bruce didn't, such as superpowers, far more advanced technology, the strategic and tactical abilities of an aged Bruce, and more. If you were to pit Terry as Batman against Bruce as Batman, of course Terry would win, primarily because of his advanced Batsuit. If you were to give Terry a regular Batsuit similar to Bruce's, however, Wayne would school him. Likewise, if you gave Bruce the future Batsuit and knowledge on how to use it, he'd school Terry as well.

Power is what gives Terry the edge over Bruce. In terms of skills, intelligence and experience, Wayne's got him beat.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 06:57 PM

Look, they aren't even comparable as Batman. Terry had numerous advantages that Bruce didn't, such as superpowers, far more advanced technology, the strategic and tactical abilities of an aged Bruce, and more. If you were to pit Terry as Batman against Bruce as Batman, of course Terry would win, primarily because of his advanced Batsuit. If you were to give Terry a regular Batsuit similar to Bruce's, however, Wayne would school him. Likewise, if you gave Bruce the future Batsuit and knowledge on how to use it, he'd school Terry as well.

Power is what gives Terry the edge over Bruce. In terms of skills, intelligence and experience, Wayne's got him beat.

Not that it really matters but Bruce knows how to use it.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 06:59 PM

In current continuity, Bruce hasn't even developed that Batsuit yet. He created it late in his career, to compensate for his deteriorating physical state. Modern day Batman wouldn't know what to do with the Batsuit.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 07:00 PM

In current continuity, Bruce hasn't even developed that Batsuit yet. He created it late in his career, to compensate for his deteriorating physical state. Modern day Batman wouldn't know what to do with the Batsuit.

true. I thought you were talking about Terry's Bruce. My mistake.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 07:04 PM

Didn't Terry's Bruce, as an old man, actually give Terry a lot of trouble in his regular old Batsuit? Heh.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 07:05 PM

Didn't Terry's Bruce, as an old man, actually give Terry a lot of trouble in his regular old Batsuit? Heh.

It sounds familiar but cant say for sure.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 07:06 PM

I think it was in the canon comic that was published while Batman Beyond was still running.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 07:34 PM

Bruce Wayne gave Terry a gas that made him weak and took away his strength. In addition Terry was under spellbinder's control. Terry and Bruce fought together. Bruce was made younger for that episode and they fought side by side with no Batman suit. Remember we are talking DC Animated Universe. Not hard to believe Terry would be just as good as Batman as Bruce was. Like I said before Bruce Wayne has said so himself. Terry has fought outside the suit and showed to be just as good as Bruce Wayne was.

Do you know skilled Terry is outside the suit? Terry was trained by Bruce Wayne outside the suit and close in skill to Bruce Wayne in fighting skills. Terry has high intellect, survived a fall from several stories without a batsuit, doing huge leaps without his suit Batman never did, and more. Terry has created cures, antidotes, and more. Terry also trained and honed his detective skills under Bruce. Outside the suit Terry is close in skill to Bruce Wayne. He has showed this many times.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 08:23 PM

He hasn't shown anything CLOSE to Bruce Wayne's level outside of the suit. Creating antidotes would be a prime example to the superior tech he has compared to Bruce.

Sorry, but Terry doesn't hold a candle to Bruce outside of the suit. The majority of the points you're bringing up are, at best, grasping at straws.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 08:31 PM

No not really since all this was shown on the show and comics which are still going on. This is DC Animated Universe. LOL why is it hard for people to believe that? I'm just trying to let people know he is close to Bruce in skill outside the suit and he isn't that far away. Remember Bruce Wayne trained him in everything that he learned himself when he was Batman.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 07:10 PM

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See my previous comments, and what other people have said, including this:

Look, they aren't even comparable as Batman. Terry had numerous advantages that Bruce didn't, such as superpowers, far more advanced technology, the strategic and tactical abilities of an aged Bruce, and more. If you were to pit Terry as Batman against Bruce as Batman, of course Terry would win, primarily because of his advanced Batsuit. If you were to give Terry a regular Batsuit similar to Bruce's, however, Wayne would school him. Likewise, if you gave Bruce the future Batsuit and knowledge on how to use it, he'd school Terry as well.

Power is what gives Terry the edge over Bruce. In terms of skills, intelligence and experience, Wayne's got him beat.


Even in the DC animated universe, Bruce is above Terry in the stated ways, and the suit is what gives Terry his edge.




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