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#1 valfranx

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 11:53 AM

I got some interesting information about the cosmology of dbz that few people know.

taken from the Dragon Ball Daizenshuu guide:


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The world of Dragon Ball where SON Gokuu and his friends live has a rather unconventional, exotic world-view. What sort of structure does the entire world, which comprises Earth, the universe, and the World Beyond, have? And, what is the view on mortality that makes the characters called gods and the world of Dragon Ball the most Dragon Ball-like? We shall explain the Dragon Ball world's world-view and make it easier to understand.

The Formation of the World

The world of Dragon Ball is divided into three large areas. The World Beyond, the Living World, and the Kaioushin Realm are the three. If you look at "Figure 1," you should understand the relationship between those three areas. We would like to add detailed explanations about those three areas.

The World Beyond

The World Beyond, a location also called the Heavenly Realm, can generally only be entered by dead people, and Kami. It is the world after death for those of the so-called Living World, as well as the world where the Kami who manage the Living World reside. At the position where the Kami are constantly observing the Living World, under extremely important circumstances, it is possible that they might interfere with lifeforms of the Living World.
Also, the World Beyond is divided into three areas. That is, the Kaiou Realm, where the Kami live and where Heaven is located, the Enma Realm, where King Enma, who judges the souls of the dead, lives, and Hell, where souls of bad people are dropped, are the three. Each area is in a locational up-and-down relationship. And from Hell to the Enma Realm, free movement is impossible, and only by special methods is going from the Enma Realm to the Kaiou Realm possible. From these facts, it is known that a perfect up-and-down relationship, Kaioushin Realm ↓ Enma Realm ↓ Hell, has come together.

The Living World

The Living World is also called the Present World. To be frank, it means the vast universe. This universe is divided into four galaxies; other than that, it is known that there is a chaotic place called the Devil Realm somewhere in the universe. The sections known as the East-West-North-South Galaxies only utilize Kami as administration units, and the lifeforms who reside in the Living World are able to freely travel the galaxies. Of course, that is supposing they have the technology...
Incidentally, Earth, where SON Gokuu and his friends live, exists in the North Galaxy. The North Galaxy seems to have some of the most beautiful planets.
The Devil Realm is a unique place within the Living World. It is a place that the eyes of the Kami in the World Beyond are unable to see; little is known other than the fact that wicked lifeforms live there. There are records of these lifeforms threatening the peace on planets in the universe.
Ordinary lifeforms cannot freely travel from the Living World to the World Beyond. The only way to go is by turning into souls upon death. However, there are some who are given permission to travel by the Kami of the World Beyond, though they are few in number.

The Kaioushin Realm

The Kaioushin Realm, where the Kaioushin, the gods of the [other] gods, reside. To observe both the World Beyond and the Living World, it revolves around the circumference of the entire body of the world on a fixed cycle, like a satellite. Of course, under important circumstances where the fate of the universe is at stake, they sometimes interfere with both the World Beyond and the Living World. Beings from the World Beyond or the Living World are not permitted to enter here. Without the highest level of Shunkan Idou ability, movement [to and from] is impossible.


The Universe
The endless, expansive space wrapped around every celestial body that exists in the Living World. Along with the "Demon Realm," it is a single, large world in the Living World. In the world of Dragon Ball, the universe is located beneath the World Beyond, and it is hermetically sealed by a barrier that is engraved with a strange design. Within the universe, there are nebulae composed of innumerable stars, and there are galaxies composed of innumerable nebulae. There is a ruling Kami for each galaxy. Earth resides in the Solar System, a galactic nebula on the outskirts of the North Galaxy.

[Par.] A "Cosmic Police Organization" exists in the universe. However, they lack the fighting ability to oppose Freeza and the Saiyans. (Daizenshuu 4, Page 72)



Dispatchment From the World Beyond
As one of the ways the Kami of the World Beyond govern the Living World, a dispatchment of a capable person is given to each planet. The objective of this is the observation and protection of the intelligent lifeforms that live on the planet. And the most essential objective is to stimulate the evolutionary growth of immature intelligent lifeforms, meaning to show them the best path.
However, the beings who are dispatched to each planet do not become that planet's Kami; they often become a Kami's Attendant. As for Kami, it is mandatory to choose an appropriate being from among the intelligent lifeforms on the planet. This relationship is shown in "Figure 2." There appears to be a rule saying that the fate of a lifeform is up to the lifeform itself; dispatched beings are only permitted an assisting role to the very end.
Actually, Mister Popo and Karin, who were dispatched from the World Beyond, are committed to a role supporting the elected Kami.

The World After Death
Moreso than the formation of the world, the Dragon Ball world also has a peculiar view on mortality. ("Figure 3") In all cases, all lifeforms in the Living World become souls when they die, and then go to King Enma's Mansion in the Enma Realm. Afterward, every soul is determined by King Enma's judgment to go either to Heaven or to Hell. From this principle, it is known that lifeforms are composed of physical bodies and souls. Normal dead people can only enter the Enma Realm in the form of souls. However, there are exceptions. Through the judgment of each planet's Kami, in rare cases, there are some who visit the Enma Realm while possessing physical bodies. In most of those cases, training under Kaiou is their goal. SON Gokuu is an example of this.
Also, there is the anomaly wherein the souls of those killed by the Mazoku led by Piccolo Daimaou cannot go to the Enma Realm, so they drift about in space in the Living World forever.
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 11:56 AM

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This is Dragon Ball, where eyes tend to be fixed solely on the intense battles of Gokuu and his friends, but in the every day world, which one could say is the other side of this setting, many people live, and they build nations and form their own societies. And, protecting the established laws, they live their lives abiding by the goverment's administration. Of course, it's not just Earth; it is something that can be said about the entire universe. Here, we will pick up the three of Earth, Planet Vegeta, and Planet Namekku, and we shall think about the formation of the nations in Dragon Ball and the social systems.

Earth

The entire land of Earth is governed as one federation. A "federation" refers to a regime that is managed under a unified goverment when two or more countries unite, with each having an equal relationship. Ordinarily, there are many cases of small countries getting together and forming one in order to oppose the large countries, but on Dragon Ball's Earth, all the countries of the world have gotten together to form one nation. Certainly, it can be called the "Earth Nation;" it could probably be called an ideal environment where it is difficult for international conflict or wars to break out.
The "Earth Union" is made up of 43 countries. After the union's formation, it became a single federation region. How did 43 scattered countries come together as one nation? Usually, a federation is created when countries that have a common goal get together. The necessity of becoming the "Earth Nation," in which the 43 countries came together, must have been common sense in each country over the issue of defense from other, extraterrestrial lifeforms. In order to counter invasions of creatures from alien contact, or the "Demon Realm" on the other side of the world, it appears that there was a need to go beyond the framework of "country" and be unified under the flag of "Earth Nation."
In this federation, what holds full authority is the national king who resides in King Castle. Whether the national king is chosen by election or by heredity is unknown, but in Volume 1, Chapter 1, according to Blooma's words, the national king of 100 years ago became king through the Dragon Balls' power.
It is a monarchy where the king holds priveleges, but his policies are generally democratic, and administration is left to each region's self-government. To put it another way, the national king's interests are weak against the regional administration. Like in "Figure 1," the political and economical functions are concentrated in big cities like the Western Capital, or the royal city, the Central Capital, and thus does not extend into the rural areas. Because of this, the economic differences between the urban and rural areas is extremely large, so there are big cities lined with high-rise buildings, while at the same time, there are regions that are wrought with drought, like Namu's village, and lack water for everyday use. Also, the lag in the education and welfare facilities can be noted. There are many regions where hospitals and schools do not even exist. However, correspondence education is developing, and if they attends lectures, there is no need for children to commute.
As little as the central eye reaches the rural areas, it cannot be said that the nationwide public order is always positive. In places far from urban areas, criminal factions like King Pilaf or the Red Ribbon Army frequently appear. In the government, there is the Royal Defense Forces, which is the national army that the national king holds complete authority over, but, regrettably, they are weak, and their effectiveness in countering criminals is in doubt.

Planet Vegeta
The Saiyans, who drifted through space, captured Planet Plant where the Tsfruians lived, changing the name to Planet Vegeta and making it their home planet. When they did this, they established a total monarchy state with a single king at the top. The throne was a hereditary system, where generations of kings inherited the name of "King Vegeta." Since then, Planet Vegeta built up a feudal society where the king, and the prince who would be the next king, held absolute authority over the citizens.
For the Saiyans, a fighting race, all citizens are drafted as soldiers, and the king holds sovereignty over the citizens who are soldiers. Value as a citizen is placed by one's Battle Power, and rank is decided by merit, like "Elite Warrior" and "Low-Class Warrior." The nation itself was a societal composition like that of a military organization. This military power was not a mere national defense power, and under their contract with Freeza's Army, they assumed a mercenary role.

Planet Namekku
All Namekkians are the children of the Grand Elder who stands above them. The Grand Elder is not a political leader; he is a parent to all Namekkians. Planet Namekku can be called a giant consanguineous society. Including the Grand Elder, the seven elders govern their respective villages. The Grand Elder leaves administration to each elder, making it a complete regional authority system.
Diplomacy
Basically, Earth has no diplomatic relations with other planets. Because rockets that can fly through space or spaceships have genuinely not come into practical use, visits to planets with alien life are scarce.
Similarly, after Planet Namekku was nearly wiped out by a weather anomaly, they lost the technology to fly through space, and they themselves had no intermingling with other planets. However, when we consider the fact that Nappa and Vegeta knew of the existence of Namekkians, it appears there was intermingling and contact from the perspective of other aliens.
The flashiest intermingling developed was that of the Saiyans. The Saiyans made invading other planets and then selling those planet off to other planets their main enterprise. Because of this, they made alliances with other planets that had potential to be powerful partners, and their influence expanded.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 11:56 AM

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Like the countless planets that exist in the universe, as well as the Heavenly Realm and the Devil Realm, numerous countries and worlds have appeared in Dragon Ball. The people who live there have each built up their own peculiar cultures. The Namekkians, who are a farming race, the Saiyans, who can be called a hunting race, and the Earthlings who fall in between those. In a way, you can say Dragon Ball is a drama about the struggles of races whose cultures differ. Contributing to the character individuality construction, we shall cover the differences in race and culture here.

Earth

On Earth, where multiple ethnicities and multiple races coexist, the differences in industry and culture by region are remarkable. In big cities, urban development is achieved with a foundation of heavy chemical industry, and advanced technology like air cars and antigravity planes is deeply embedded in people's lives, but in the rural areas, a farming life of field cultivation or grazing and dairy farming has been led just as it was in the past.
In this respect, you could probably say the cultural form, in which the secondary and tertiary industries, which are for making people's livelihoods plentiful, are balanced and coexist well because of the primary industry, which is for food supplies.
Earth's culture has high level technological power, but the "Capsule Revolution" is primarily given as the cause for technology developing so explosively. "Hoi Poi Capsules," invented by the corporation Capsule Corporation's company president, Dr. Brief, are a technology that stores all objects in small capsules that fit in the palm of your hand. Hoi Poi Capsules, which have drastically advanced portability and mobility, have rapidly made people's lives luxurious, and have opened up the possibilities of future technology.
Human intelligence has similarly made possible the practical use of antigravity engines and genetic engineering. But on the other hand, while people lead more luxurious lives, the bloating of the defense industry is a problem. With mass transportation of weapons via Hoi Poi Capsules, and the development of Cyborgs for fighting through genetic manipulation, criminals like the Red Ribbon Army who abuse these things are increasing.
As described, the technological division of Earth is experiencing rapid growth, but at the same time, the existence of supernatural things like magic and witchcraft has been observed by some; Earth's culture has been built in the shape of the coexistence and coprosperity of both sides.

Planet Vegeta

The Saiyans, who originally had only a savage and primitive culture, absorbed other planets' cultures by invading them, and then expanded. Scouters, a technology they stole from the Tsfruians, are an example of this. The Saiyans, a fighting race, had no experience with farming culture; they are a total hunting race, stealing what they needed from enemies to the very end. Their science is more advanced than Earth's, but it is not the Saiyans' own. Stealing everything from other races, they are a pillaging culture who extracts only what they need.
The fact that only technology necessary for battle was improved can be cited as a trait of Saiyan cultural development. The battle suits they always wear and the medical machines for physical recovery are examples.

Planet Namekku

Namekkians are a typical farming race. After the planet's downfall due to a weather anomaly, the Namekkians, who possess special abilities such as regeneration, merging, and healing, abandoned their technology that gave birth to miracles through mechanical powers. Because they are able to live on just water and have no need for food reserves, they lead a calm farming life raising Ajissa trees.

Beliefs

Even on the Earth in Dragon Ball, Christian and Buddhist religions seem to exist as subjects of people's beliefs. However, they have no knowledge at all of the real Kami's existence. Kami does not meet with humans directly (Gokuu and the others are exceptions). He watches over the Earth from atop the Temple. The one who conveys Kami's intentions to humans and gives them support is Karin who lives in Karin Tower.
In the case of Saiyans, it is Super Saiyan that is in a god-like position. Super Saiyans were mythical beings for the Saiyans.

For Namekkians, Kami is the one who created them. All faith is directed toward the Grand Elder, who produced Porunga, the god of dreams. However, that is not the kind of thing you would call belief in a deity; it is closer to honor and affection for a parent.

Recreation

On Earth, accompanying the growth of mass media, video movies and games using television screens are generally popular. As for sports, moreso than ball or field games, hand-to-hand fighting is prominent, and worldwide tournaments like the Tenkaichi Budoukai are held.
Recreation for the Saiyans is battle. For them, a fighting race, to fight is happiness. In this respect, you could say that planetary invasion serves as both a hobby and a means of profit.

Language
Regarding spoken language, the official language used by the entire universe, including Earth, and Namekkian, the language used by Namekkians, have been confirmed. However, due to the fact that there was a declaration stating, "The Brenchian Genius, Thousa, is proficient in 7,000 cosmic languages," we can estimate that there are at least 7,000 languages in the universe.


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Posted 21 November 2012 - 11:57 AM

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The Dragon Ball world, where numerous planetary races appear. But in reality, it is not an exaggeration to say that it is a story of the interactions of three types of planetary races. The Saiyans, a fighting race born to battle, the Earthlings, who are a mixture of various races, and the occult Namekkians... The encounters of each of these three distinct races form Dragon Ball's story. Let us proceed with the historic interracial interactions and a biological racial analysis of these three races.

Various Races
In the Dragon Ball world, as described below, a great variety of races exists. Dragon Ball's three great races: Earthlings, Saiyans, and Namekkians. Races that have special abilities: Yardratans, Metamorians. The Triopses, said to be Tenshinhan's ancestors. Nikochanians and Okakaumen who live in Penguin Village. Additionally, in the animation, Tsfruians, Brenchians, Bepperians, Zaltans, Makyouans, Littians, Shirtans, Tubbans, Kanassans, Meatians, Kuunians, Awterians, Aarians, Conuttans, Shamoans, Beansians, Ikondans, the Hella Clan, etc; an extremely large amount of cosmic races who differ in shape appear. We would like you to refer to "Figure 1" for the historical relationships of the Earthlings, Saiyans, and Namekkians.

Earthlings

Earthlings were a race that had absolutely no formal intermingling with other planets. But Namekkians, Saiyans, and Triclopses and such drifted to Earth; races that live as Earthlings like that appear to be scarce. There is also the fact that Saiyans who made Earth their home have offspring with Earthlings. There appears to be a portion of Earthlings who have nothing against accepting other races. And that is no surprise, because Earthlings were originally composed of three types of people that looked nothing alike. Human types, animal types, and monster types are the three. Even among the people of each type, there are many who differ in appearance even more. Because of this, there appears to be a moral in place wherein you do not discriminate against people by form.
The percentages of these three types is in "Figure 2." The human types, who are the greatest in number, exist in various kinds of skin color, hair color, eye color, etc. Also, it is known that human types and Saiyans are able to produce offspring. The next highest in number are the animal types. Animal types consist of various kinds of Earthlings that look nothing alike. This also applies to monster types. It can be presumed that because both animal types and monster types have difficulty producing offspring with those of a different variety from themselves, their populations are gradually decreasing.

Namekkians

Namekkians, including Piccolo, are a race with an extremely powerful life force in comparison to Earthlings. First, there is their ability to produce eggs. In Planet Namekku's society, where nothing like gender exists, anyone born as dragon tribe is able to produce offspring alone. The ones charged with the objective of protecting the dragon tribe, who are able to increase the amount of offspring, are the warrior type Namekkians. We would like for you to refer to "Figure 3" for the dragon tribe and warrior type population percentages. The delicate balance of these two types may be the primary cause for the Namekkians' successful reconstruction when they were on the verge of annihilation.
Examples of other characteristic skills include a recovery ability capable of healing considerable wounds on the spot, linguistic skills acquired at birth, and flight capabilities. These are factors in Namekkians being a "strong" race.

Saiyans

The greatest characteristic of Saiyans, a fighting race, is the fact that they are a complete homogenous race. There are no types of Saiyans like those of Namekkians and Earthlings. Because Saiyans never stop fighting even amongst themselves, the race currently known as Saiyans may be a species that won and survived a historic battle.

It can be said that, visually, their characteristic tails also express a Saiyan racial trait. Like a third hand, it has proven to be quite useful during battle. Furthermore, the tail also has the important role of being a receptor for Bruits Waves. The fact that all of them are capable of getting a power up during a full moon that increases their Battle Power ten-fold can only be considered an ability for the purpose of attacking other races.
But at the same time, the tail is also the Saiyans' weak point. This could perhaps be assumed to be for conventional fighting, which many animals have as instinct. In other words, in situations where Saiyans engage in battle with each other, as a species, the principle is that merit is decided by how few injuries one gets.
And becoming a Super Saiyan can be presumed to be a hidden ability for the preservation of the species. It is reasonable to think that Super Saiyans being frequent in second generation children with Earthlings is also for the continuance of the species.

With their naturally sturdy build, length of adolescence, and so on, it can be said that the Saiyans really are a species that advances for fighting and invasion.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 11:59 AM

I could have sworn I saw this somewhere else. Deja vu.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 12:37 PM

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vegeta planet is bigger than Earth:

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"The gravity of Planet Plant was about 10 times that of Earth!! The Saiyans’ strength was also due to them having honed their bodies under this 10-fold gravity!!"


WORLD GUIDE IV: SAIYA AND TSUFRU CHAPTER
Goku and Baby’s fight was also a final battle with the last survivors of the Saiyan and Tsufruin races at stake!! Part 1 inspects the differences and defining characteristics of both races!! Part 2 unveils the history of their battle!!

Complete Inspection Part 1: The Two Great Races!!

The Wise Tsufruins; the Mighty Saiyans
The Tsufru, a scientific people!!
The Tsufruins’ greatest defining characteristic is their status as a scientific people with gifted minds!! A famous machine invented by the Tsufruins is the “scouter”!! Worn on the left ear, it’s a small machine which instantly measures an enemy’s battle power, and even a single one can be used as an inter-planetary communication device!! It’s so good that even Freeza’s army officially adopted it!!

The Saiya, greatest fighting race in the universe!!
On the other hand, the Saiyans are famous as the most warlike race in the universe!! Low-level warriors have low battle powers, but if they form into groups they exhibit high battle power!! Even a squad of merely 5 can reduce a planet to ruins in only a few days!! Physically, they’re characterized by staying young unusually long, making it easier for them to fight!! The Saiyans are a fighting race for whom it wouldn’t be an exaggeration to say that they don’t simply “fight to live”, but rather “live to fight”!!

[ ] The Tsufruins fighting Oozaru Saiyans!! Besides scouters, they also have laser guns and tanks!! It seems they’ve developed military technology as well!!

Where is the Saiyans’ true homeland?
The mysterious “Planet Saiya”
Planet Vegeta (formally Planet Plant) was originally the Tsufruins’ planet, and not the homeland of the Saiyans. The roots of the Saiya are unknown, and all that is recorded is that “the primitive Saiyans drifted to Planet Plant on a mysterious spaceship”. Perhaps the launching point of that spaceship could possibly itself be the Saiyans’ true homeland. And just maybe the Saiyans’ home world still exists somewhere in space!?

[picture of an Oozaru] There’s also a theory that Saiyans were originally Oozarus, who gained intelligence and became human!!

What’s the national structure of each race!?
For both, a royal family stands at the peak of the race!!
The peak of Saiyan authority is King Vegeta!! The king was the strongest Saiyan at the time, and is famous for having commanded the plan to wipe out the Tsufruins!! The Saiyans don’t discriminate by differences in race or things like that, but in turn have a strict class system!!

The Tsufruins, for their part, actually had a king as well (he’s the character lying in the bed in the picture on the next page)!! Besides this, nothing else is known. However, it seems that until the Saiyans began their revolt, they lived in peace and prosperity!!

[picture of Vegeta-Baby] Vegeta-Baby has both Saiya and Tsufru royal blood!!
[big black text] Vegeta-Baby is a king inside a king!?

[picture of King Vegeta] Even among the Saiyans, King Vegeta is said to have been an outstanding battle strategist!!

The Tsufruins have super-deformed bodies!?
Tsufruins are child-sized!!
The gravity of Planet Plant was about 10 times that of Earth!! The Saiyans’ strength was also due to them having honed their bodies under this 10-fold gravity!! The Tsufruins, who lived on Planet Plant from the beginning, were all short, probably due to this gravity. They were only about half as tall as Saiyans or Earthlings!! Even Baby had a child-like height and body before he infected Vegeta!! It seems that this was because he inherited the genes of King Tsufru!!

Height Comparison Chart
[pictures of adult Goku, kid Goku, and Baby in his “child” form (which is apparently really the size of an adult Tsufruin)] Here we went and made a height comparison chart using Baby as a representative of the Tsufruins. Tsufruins are only about half as tall as Saiyans or Earthlings, so little Goku and Baby’s child body are roughly the same size!!

Saiyans [represented by kid Goku]: “Hey, you’re about the same size as me.”
Tsufruins [represented by Baby]: “Shut up!”

Complete Inspection Part 2: The Universal History of Saiya and Tsufru Interaction!!
Things in bold are new bits of history that came to light in “DragonBall GT”

C. 238 Before Age: The appearance of the Super Saiyan!!
The Super Saiyan, told of in legend, appears and pushes the limits of slaughter and destruction.

C. Age 550: The primeval Saiyans drift to Planet Plant!!
The primeval Saiyans drift on their spaceship to the bountiful Planet Plant, where science had flourished in peace. Reproducing quickly, in the next few hundred years the primeval Saiyans evolve to an extraordinary extent and gain intelligence. But at the same time, their instincts for slaughter grew as well.
[ ] The Tsufruins approve of the Saiyans’ residency, but…

C. Age 720~730: All-out confrontation between the Saiyans and Tsufruins!!
The all-out war between the Saiyans and Tsufruins begins. Cornered, the Tsufruins use their remaining scientific power to develop a parasitic life-form (later to be known as Baby). This life-form inherits the genes of King Tsufru, and is launched into space. The battle results in the Saiyans’ overwhelming victory, the Tsufruins are wiped out, and Planet Plant is renamed as Planet Vegeta.
[ ] The thing in the cultivation pod is Baby, and the sleeping man is King Tsufru.

Age 731: The Saiyans and Freeza join forces!!
[ ] King Vegeta obeys Freeza, but inside he is filled with hatred.

Age 732: Vegeta is born!!

Age 735: The “Universal Tsufruization Plant” goes into operation!
While drifting through space, Baby swears vengeance against the Saiyans for wiping out the Tsufruins. Furthermore, he devises the “Universal Tsufruization Plan”, in order to revive the Tsufru.


C.Age 735: Repeated incidences of insurrection among the Saiyans!!

Age 737: Kakarotto (Son Goku) is born!!
Kakarotto is born. King Vegeta and Goku’s father Barduck die in battle against Freeza. At the same time, Kakarotto’s space pod is shot out into space. Planet Vegeta is wiped out by Freeza. The four remaining Saiyans are Kakarotto, his older brother Raditz, Vegeta, and Vegeta’s subordinate Nappa.
[ ] Kakarotto, immediately after arriving on Earth in his space pod. Found by Grandpa Gohan, he is given the name Son Goku!!

Age 740: Doctor Mu is born!
Baby manufactures Doctor Mu in order to gather the resurrection energy he needs to obtain a powerful body. Baby programs Mu with the method of developing machine mutants, and production begins on Llod, M-2, and the others.


Age 760-770: Planet M-2 is completed
Doctor Mu makes the alien Rild a general, in addition to restructuring his body. At the same time, the super gigantic planet-type machine mutant (Planet M-2) is completed, its functions having been linked to General Rild. Using Planet M-2 as a base, the M-2 Army begins gathering energy from throughout the universe.


Age 766: Trunks is born!!

Age 767: Goten is born!!

Age 775: Doltaki becomes Baby’s underling!
Doctor Mu makes the space swindler Doltaki one of his subordinates, and gives him Lood, the strongest machine mutant. Doltaki uses his skills as a swindler to create the scam religion Loodism, and begins gathering energy from its adherents.


Age 779: Pan is born!!

Age 780: Bra is born!!

Age 789: Goku, Trunks, and Pan depart from Earth!

Age 789: Goku encounters Baby!!
Several months later, they encounter Baby in his larval form. After that, Baby continues to infect various aliens, accumulating power.


Age 789: Baby appears on Earth!
Nine months after Goku and the others left, Baby arrives on Earth, infecting all the Earthlings and bringing them under his rule. Furthermore, he creates Planet Tsufru through the power of Shenlong, and uses it as the base for the Universal Tsufruization Plan.


Age 789: Super Saiyan 4 appears!!
War breaks out between a Saiyan survivor (Son Goku) and the last remaining Tsufruin (Baby). Through this battle, the Tsufruin are completely exterminated.


[big black text] Brawn (Saiya) VS Science (Tsufru)!! The grand history of the battle between these alien races!!

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 03:27 PM

Just because planet Vegeta has 10 times the gravity of Earth doesn't mean it's larger. It could even be smaller.

EDIT: I must be missing something here, because I can't find direct confirmation of planet Vegeta being larger than Earth. Unless:

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Is actually from the guide. If it is, my bad.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 06:13 PM

Well if it had more gravity, it could be assumed that it had more mass than Earth.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 06:15 PM

Gravity matters more on density, not mass.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 06:17 PM

Actually Gravity has to do with both but yeah.

"The amount of gravity a planet possesses depends on its mass and volume (density)
and radius."

So really it only proves that it could either be larger as I implied or smaller as MarvelFan15 said.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 06:21 PM

You're using logic in DBZ. Paradox.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 06:22 PM

Well the cool thing is, that little quoted statement covers about everything, like a massive planet can have less density and mass compared to Earth but still have more Gravity due to it's radius, so really, if we can figure it's size out, and going by its having ten times more gravity, you can use logic. :P

DBZ isn't entirely illogical as you're making it out to be. :P

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 06:24 PM

I invite you to go and blow up the moon. Until such time where that doesn't affect us at all, I will proclaim DBZ fairly illogical.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 06:25 PM

I invite you to go and blow up the moon. Until such time where that doesn't affect us at all, I will proclaim DBZ fairly illogical.

Fairly illogical =/= entirely illogical.

Subtle difference, Nova Force Nova.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 06:25 PM

Oh yes, sentient dogs ruling over everyone else on the planet. Makes sense.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 06:26 PM

Now you're taking it out of context. Again. ^_^

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 06:27 PM

Please enlighten me, in what context would that make sense?

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 06:28 PM

I.e. missing the point I was making there.

But it could just be you being you and trolling. :P

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 07:18 PM

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 07:30 PM

That tells us nothing about the size of Planet Vegeta.




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