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Posted 27 October 2012 - 11:02 PM

I've seen them all on AMC this month and he gets beaten by teens. So in essence, someone like Jason Bourne would make him look stupid.

@Redfield: I wont vote on this match because I dont know much about Jason Bourne.. However isnt this the type of debating youre against? Event though he's arguing for the same guy as you, you gotta stay on these things. :P

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 11:41 PM

In the Jason vs Jason X comics that confirmed it was a different Jason.


That's... strange. And these comics are canon? What's the explanation for it? Have any writers and producers and such confirmed this?


Aaron Cross vs Jason Bourne? Can the young upstart to the Bourne series beat Bourne, or does the vet take it? -_-


Well, I'm thinking Bourne. We have three movies to show for the fact that Bourne's a badass with unbelievable skill and a perfect track record against other peak human operatives. Cross had a decent showing in his own film, but not enough feats to definitively prove he's superior to Bourne.

He's physically superior, since the blues and greens are explicitly stated to put the Outcome operatives at peak or even slightly superhuman levels in most regards. Intellect... is probably about the same for either one.

Cross has, at best, 50% chances here. We just don't have enough source material from him.


@Redfield: I wont vote on this match because I dont know much about Jason Bourne.. However isnt this the type of debating youre against? Event though he's arguing for the same guy as you, you gotta stay on these things. :P


No... not really. I was pointing out that status as gods and deities doesn't mean much without quantification or qualification. This doesn't have much to do with that. Legacy's logic is pretty solid: Jason is beaten by teenagers with no particular abilities, talents, or even competence in some cases. Bourne has all of those things.

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 12:10 AM

Jason X isn't mentioned nor referenced in the original Friday movies, Freddy vs Jason, and in the Freddy vs Jason vs Ash comics which are all canon with each other since they lead to one another. Jason X is a separate entity. If you look at the history Jason X obviously never happened.

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 12:18 AM

I guess that makes sense, but I'm hesitant to fully accept it unless someone with some authority directly states that this is the case.

Regardless, it doesn't really change much in regards to this or any other fight.

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 12:33 AM

That's one of the reasons why Jason and Jason X have their own entries in the CBUB database. Jason X's feats are useless here.

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 12:37 AM

That's one of the reasons why Jason and Jason X have their own entries in the CBUB database. Jason X's feats are useless here.


I'm pretty sure the reason there are two seperate Jason entries is that the "Jason X" is actually Uber Jason. Far greater distinction there.

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 12:40 AM

Well Jason X is something different and not Jason just to clarify once more.

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 12:48 AM

Well Jason X is something different and not Jason just to clarify once more.


Well, like I said, I'll fully accept that when it's confirmed by someone high up.

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 04:48 AM

Woah, Bigballerju, don't go throwing around false claims. Of course Jason X is canon, there's absolutely nothing to indicate otherwise. You can't just say it isn't canon because it hasn't been referenced since-- half the Friday the 13th movies haven't been referenced since their release, that doesn't mean they aren't canon.

Have you read that comic you posted? It wasn't another Jason, there was an explanation for the two being able to interact/battle with one another. I honestly can't remember it now, as it's been years since I read it, but it definitely wasn't another Jason entirely.

Oh, and the feat that was brought up (the android killing Jason by blowing his head off) occurred before his upgrade and transformation into Jason X, so it does apply to the Jason being used in this match.

Seriously, Jason X actually follows on directly from the last Friday the 13th movie. There's absolutely no evidence in the film itself or from the people who worked on it to suggest it isn't canon.

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 07:03 AM

Apparently my logic was too tough for you to handle. And second, in the name of all that is good in this world, SYNTAX man. Reading your posts are painful. Punctuation and basic grammar mechanics will get you far.

Aside from that... you have a lot of proof to provide with your claims here. For one, I doubt that even a female android is definitively a better marksman than Bourne. You've clearly never watched the Bourne trilogy. You're forgetting that this guy shot a man in the head, one-handed, while riding a dead body down a long fall while under the stress of combat. The fact of the matter is that no one in Jason X, even the android, matched that feat.

Besides, compared to that accomplishment, shooting one slow, staggering target which makes no attempt to rush or move evasively is child's play for Bourne.

And you also now get to prove that the weapons in Jason X were so much more powerful and advanced than what we have today. Because if you want, I can show you pictures and video of what real-life weapons can do. I can even speak from limited personal experience. It's not pretty.

Also, I'm gonna go ahead and call blatant B.S. on your claim that "the further away he is from the lake the weaker he becomes". Because the fact of the matter is that that has never been stated or even implied in the entire series.




I've seen them. In fact, I used to be a huge fan of the series until fanboys like you ruined it for me. Clearly you've never seen the Bourne films or else you wouldn't be arguing against him.




P.I.S. is not a valid argument here. He has explicit limits to his durability, regardless of whether those were invented to suit the plot of the film, they can be used in this debate.

Yeah, and none of those seventeen people that he kills are Bourne or even closely comparable to him. In fact, most of them are idiotic teenagers that should be locked in cells to keep from hurting themselves and others through their sheer, utter stupidity. The adults are equally-stupid.

Everytime Jason comes up against a respectable opponent, he gets thrashed. He had nothing on the telekinetic girl even before her ghostly father intervened. And are we forgetting the FBI from Jason Goes To Hell? What about Freddy, from Freddy vs. Jason?

You're ignoring all of our arguments because you can't stand the thought of Voorhees losing even though it's blatantly obvious he can't win this. It comes down to Voorhees not being bulletproof and Bourne not being an idiot. Those two things basically mean instant victory for the latter.

he couldn't touch the girl with telekinetic girl well because she was telekinetic i wouldn't put money on jason over jean either .
he killed all the those agents later in the film if bourne had if well armed soldiers and a trap i would already concede but he dosn't.
and jasonhas the drop on him he already hit which would throw bourne off maybe even brake something.
and the android's sex has nothing to do with it's accuracy and humans even the most skilled humans have flaws androids have perfect accuracy and are hundreds of times faster then the fastest human. the she was using were all better thos are all advantages she had over bourne and she had help and still almost died.
and as for your responce about the teens beating him lol thats just a stupid arguement.

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 07:11 AM

It's actually not. When you got beat by dumbass teenagers, you aren't a threat to someone like Bourne.

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 07:15 AM

It's actually not. When you got beat by dumbass teenagers, you aren't a threat to someone like Bourne.

So what I stated a while back has now come back around and its really the only fact you need to prove Jason Bourne wins.

Case closed

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 07:18 AM

It's actually not. When you got beat by dumbass teenagers, you aren't a threat to someone like Bourne.

every villian on this site has lost to people much weaker then them by this logic wolverine beats galactus .
fantastic 4 beat galactus and wolverine has beat them there for anyone who has lost to the fantastic 4 can't touch wolverine
thats stupid logic.

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 10:45 AM

Woah, Bigballerju, don't go throwing around false claims. Of course Jason X is canon, there's absolutely nothing to indicate otherwise. You can't just say it isn't canon because it hasn't been referenced since-- half the Friday the 13th movies haven't been referenced since their release, that doesn't mean they aren't canon.

Have you read that comic you posted? It wasn't another Jason, there was an explanation for the two being able to interact/battle with one another. I honestly can't remember it now, as it's been years since I read it, but it definitely wasn't another Jason entirely.

Oh, and the feat that was brought up (the android killing Jason by blowing his head off) occurred before his upgrade and transformation into Jason X, so it does apply to the Jason being used in this match.

Seriously, Jason X actually follows on directly from the last Friday the 13th movie. There's absolutely no evidence in the film itself or from the people who worked on it to suggest it isn't canon.


Yes it was another Jason which is why he didn't have the same memories as the original Jason in the comics. That's why at the end of the comic series when Jason X killed Jason he took his brain and combined that Jason's brain with his brain to get those memories. Freddy vs Jason takes place right after the last Friday the 13th movie. That's why in the last Friday film Jason is in the ground with his mask being the only thing shown. Freddy vs Jason takes place right after with Freddy being the one to wake Jason up and have him start killing again. Also in the last Friday movie you saw Freddy's hand appear out the ground. Hence why Freddy vs Jason takes place right after the last Friday the 13th film and is canon along with the comic series that followed it. The events of Jason X never happened. The events of Jason X take place on another Earth elsewhere in space. Jason X does come before Freddy vs Jason and it doesn't take place afterwards. After Freddy vs Jason is the the Freddy vs Jason vs Ash series and before Freddy vs Jason is the last Friday movie.

Jason X was only created because Freddy vs Jason took forever to get off the ground for many years.

Edit: Oh by the way when Freddy vs Jason came out they actually did pretty much confirm Jason X never happened because when promoting the movie they had this sheet of all the Friday and Nightmare movies leading up to Freddy vs Jason in the timeline. Jason X wasn't included because it didn't happened.

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 11:49 AM

he couldn't touch the girl with telekinetic girl well because she was telekinetic i wouldn't put money on jason over jean either .


It still shows that Jason has problems killing anything that isn't a helpless or incompetent moron.

he killed all the those agents later in the film if bourne had if well armed soldiers and a trap i would already concede but he dosn't.


Complete and utter bull. He does not kill the FBI agents later in the film. Either you're being disingenuous now by making stuff up or you've never actually seen the film. Either way, you're not exactly doing a good job of making us take you seriously.

And once again, the point of the example was to show that Jason's body is susceptible to physical harm and that he can be killed or tricked into falling for a trap. Bourne could replicate the feat without too much trouble.

and jasonhas the drop on him he already hit which would throw bourne off maybe even brake something.
and the android's sex has nothing to do with it's accuracy and humans even the most skilled humans have flaws androids have perfect accuracy and are hundreds of times faster then the fastest human. the she was using were all better thos are all advantages she had over bourne and she had help and still almost died.
and as for your responce about the teens beating him lol thats just a stupid arguement.


The set-up doesn't make it clear that Bourne's in any real trouble. So you can't play that card; you're making stuff up, once again.

Wha--....

What in god's name are you blabbing about now? Where did I even imply that the android's sex had anything to do with... anything? Sure, humans have flaws. But Jason has a proven track record of operating at an extremely high degree of competence even under pressure.

Her ultimate android super speed was not displayed at all during the movie. She had impressive accuracy, sure, but nothing Bourne couldn't match. Once again, I'll point you to the scene where he shoots a guy in the head, with one hand, while falling past him riding a dead body. He's not going to miss, here.

And saying "lol that's a stupid argument" is, in itself, a pretty stupid comment to make. No refutation of my point or anything. What are you, five years old? It's a perfectly acceptable point because it shows that Jason has very clear limits and can be defeated by normal humans who are far less competent than Bourne.

Just read the set-up again and realized that Bourne has a car bomb. You know what Voorhees has a bad track record against? You know what blew him to pieces and killed him in Jason Goes To Hell?

That's right.

A bomb.

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 12:17 PM

Yes it was another Jason which is why he didn't have the same memories as the original Jason in the comics. That's why at the end of the comic series when Jason X killed Jason he took his brain and combined that Jason's brain with his brain to get those memories. Freddy vs Jason takes place right after the last Friday the 13th movie. That's why in the last Friday film Jason is in the ground with his mask being the only thing shown. Freddy vs Jason takes place right after with Freddy being the one to wake Jason up and have him start killing again. Also in the last Friday movie you saw Freddy's hand appear out the ground. Hence why Freddy vs Jason takes place right after the last Friday the 13th film and is canon along with the comic series that followed it. The events of Jason X never happened. The events of Jason X take place on another Earth elsewhere in space. Jason X does come before Freddy vs Jason and it doesn't take place afterwards. After Freddy vs Jason is the the Freddy vs Jason vs Ash series and before Freddy vs Jason is the last Friday movie.

Jason X was only created because Freddy vs Jason took forever to get off the ground for many years.

Edit: Oh by the way when Freddy vs Jason came out they actually did pretty much confirm Jason X never happened because when promoting the movie they had this sheet of all the Friday and Nightmare movies leading up to Freddy vs Jason in the timeline. Jason X wasn't included because it didn't happened.


You're grasping at straws. The events of Jason X kick off after Freddy vs Jason, so of course it isn't referenced in the film. It's also the reason it wasn't featured on the timeline posters.

Jason X took Jason's brain because Jason had effectively become a different entity after being overwritten by the nanites. The filmmakers were originally gonna show this by including a scene where Jason kills a hologram of his mother or something, but it was cut out. Basically, it was the same Jason featured in Jason X up until he was resurrected by the nanites, at which point they overwrote his own consciousness and used his body to become a killing machine themselves. Unless, of course, you're willing to stick to the theory that there just so happened to be two Jason Voorhees' running around...

Which are we supposed to accept as canon? An actual movie in the franchise, or some comic book follow-up to one of the films? The movies take precedence over everything else in terms of what's canon, because they're the source material. Even your silly argument that we should always go by the most popular media applies here.

By the way, I think the entire concept of a debate over the continuity of a slasher film series is pointless. It's a retconned mess as it is.

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 12:53 PM

Pretty much everything AvP said. In fact, I'm pretty sure I remember it being stated that Jason X, despite coming out before FvJ, actually takes place after.

This isn't some crazy retcon, either: remember that the end of Jason Goes to Hell had Freddy's hand reach out of the ground to snatch Jason's mask after he was sent to hell, so clearly the idea of FvJ was in the works long before Jason X came about.

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 12:55 PM

Well, I'd imagine so. Jason X has androids and space travel. Freddy vs Jason is very much modern.

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 12:57 PM

Well, I'd imagine so. Jason X has androids and space travel. Freddy vs Jason is very much modern.


I'm talking about the beginning of Jason X, which takes place in the modern day. They cryogenically freeze him at the beginning, which leads to the futuristic plot.

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 01:10 PM

Well it has to take place after. Given that he's full bodied again after being dragged down to Hell.




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