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#41 Square Pickle

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 04:13 PM

I get the feeling Square has only ever seen the movies, and nothing of the EU. Seems that way, at any rate.

I get the feeling you are not familial with Shao Kahn's actual level of power past "Hes the final boss of a video game". Ill tell you what, you show me a picture or a video of any cannon version of Vader defeating ANYTHING on the level of Shao Kahn, and Ill admit Vader has a chance. Until then, I stick with all of my statements. Vader is not on Kahn's level.

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 04:18 PM

Sure he can. The Force is, essentially, nigh-unlimited telekinesis, and Vader is a master of it. Vader could use the Force to crush Kahn into a pancake, or tear him to pieces, or throw him into space, or slice his arteries, or snap his spine, etc, etc... I'm sure Kahn could survive some of those, or at least defend against them, seeing as he's all magically powerful and whatnot, but Vader can definitely defend himself against a lot of what Kahn can throw at him, too. They are quite even. But the Force is extremely versatile.

You are not familure with Shao Kahn are you? Maybe the MK movie version, but you have not followed his story or his feats at all through-out the years of the MK games have you?

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 04:38 PM

Oh seriously when has Vader shown he can throw somebody into space using the force from the planet. Like Jaeger said Vader can injury Kahn but not enough to win.


Vader can throw things with the Force, and he can lift people with the Force, so... And in all honesty, he probably has thrown someone into space in some expanded universe thing. More importntly, that's not the only thing i listed, and the things i listed aren't the only things Vader can do with the Force.

You are not familure with Shao Kahn are you? Maybe the MK movie version, but you have not followed his story or his feats at all through-out the years of the MK games have you?


I've never seen a film with Shao Kahn in it. I think i've seen a Mortal Kombat film, but it was agea ago, and i might be wrong. All my information on the Mortal Kombat universe comes from the games themselves, which i've played more than enough of, and i know a lot of fans, too, and people on this site, or various places on the 'net.

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 05:43 PM

No Vader has not thrown anyone into space from a planet using the force and can't so please don't give him feats he has not shown. Vader can't do almost anything he wishes with the force if you have actually read the books or read the comics.

Kahn at 100% has reality warping powers which allows him to destroy worlds or combine them into Outworld. Even the elder gods fear him at 100%. Kahn at his most powerful can rip billions of souls with ease and destroy worlds. I mean thats just some of what he can do.

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 05:50 PM

Bullshite. You're just underestimating Vader. I stated myself that it might have happened in the expanded universe, i don't know myself, but he's done enough other stuff with the force, some of which i listed, a lot of which i didn't, to easily be able to defeat Kahn, probably after a decent fight.

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 06:09 PM

No Vader hasn't thrown anyone into space using the force in the expanded Universe and even Jaeger has said Kahn would win this fight. Stop trying to give him a feat he hasn't performed nor shown the ability too. No one is underestimating Vader here. Your just trying to give him a feat he has not done.

How will Vader easily defeat Kahn? I guaranteed you for each force ability you say Vader can easily kill Kahn with I can counter. Didn't everyone but you say Vader could injury Kahn but not enough to kill him because Kahn is way too powerful? Yeah thank you very much.

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 06:30 PM

No, dude. I stated that i didn't know if that specific feat was a possiblity or not when i first made that comment. You are continuously ignoring all the other possibile ways Vader has of defeating Kahn. And i have said, continuously, that i think it's a pretty close fight, that both can counter what the other can do, but, personally, i reckon Vader wins.

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 06:49 PM

What ways? Your not telling me anything here. What other possible ways? Your just saying Darth Vader is all powerful and has a whole bunch of ways to win. I don't see any at the moment. I have said on this thread and others Darth Vader is way more powerful then depicted in the movies. None of that is enough to kill Shao Kahn. Only injury him. Anything Vader does Kahn could counter back easily with a attack of his own and so much more.

The seconds it takes for Vader to apply any force attack Kahn without even moving rips Vader's soul from his body and consumes it. Either that or he crushes Vader with a energy attack wrapped around his body easily. I mean do you want me to continue?

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 07:00 PM

I've already listed a few. And i stated that there are more. Honestly, though, this is getting boring.

I think that Vader could win this. I know what Kahn is capable of, and i know what Vader is capable of, and i think that, while they can both counter a lot of what the other does, and while Kahn is a lot more skilled in close combat, Vader's considerable Force ability and his lightsaber give him some seriously powerful and effective things for Kahn to survive being hit by, and i don't think he could. I think, after a long fight, Vader comes out on top. That is all.

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 07:33 PM

Okay it seems you are sticking with Vader and that's fine. Just for the record Vader's lightsaber would never reach Kahn with Kahn's force field he could erect around himself. Even so Kahn has his own weapons that are powerful enough to use against the lightsaber. Also Vader is slower then Kahn. Kahn has many other more abilities he could do to kill Vader in seconds. Vader has never faced anyone like Kahn and isn't powerful enough to actually kill him. Only injury once more.

But other then that I guess that's it.

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 08:57 PM

I agree with all of the defenses Kahn has, but the Force can bypass some of those. Thing like snapping his neck, crushing his brain or slicing his arteries would take seconds, or less, to kill Kahn, and Vader can do those with ease. It could go either way, but like i said, i give it to Vader, say, 6/10 times.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 01:09 PM

I'm gonna have to see proof stating that pulse blades are on the same level, power-wise, as lightsabers. We can't make that assumption.

Also, don't fall into the habit of simply arguing, "He's a god!"

That's a very subjective term with many connotations and power levels. There are plenty of gods that can be beaten by mortals, depending on the universe. Provide feats and stats, not titles.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 03:15 PM

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 04:01 PM

Another popularity win here folks. Too bad we cant see a cannon fight between these two, because it would prove what me and Baller have said the entire time. Kahn > Vader... Also I never claimed he was a god, I said hes god level. Infact, hes a god buster, and despite Vader's huge EU fanbase, he has NEVER faced anyone on Kahn's level. All of the "Laser sword this, pulse blade that / beam sword here, lightsaber there" arguments in the world dont make it any less true. All I said was "Show me proof that Vader has EVER faced anything on Kahn's level". Since no one could do it... Your points are invalid.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 04:21 PM

Completely agree. People also ignored me countering the lightsaber arguement. Kahn has his energy shield he can use to block those lightsaber attacks plus his own weapons. It's CBUB so I am not surprised.

I didn't hear one arguement why Vader would win. Jaeger is the only one who gave me one or two ways Vader could seriously injury Kahn. She named the force abilities too and didn't just say Vader has alot of ways to win.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 04:23 PM

I'ma Dude and G4Hardcore gave some ways too.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 04:51 PM

Another popularity win here folks. Too bad we cant see a cannon fight between these two, because it would prove what me and Baller have said the entire time. Kahn > Vader... Also I never claimed he was a god, I said hes god level. Infact, hes a god buster, and despite Vader's huge EU fanbase, he has NEVER faced anyone on Kahn's level. All of the "Laser sword this, pulse blade that / beam sword here, lightsaber there" arguments in the world dont make it any less true. All I said was "Show me proof that Vader has EVER faced anything on Kahn's level". Since no one could do it... Your points are invalid.


First of all, simmer down because I wasn't arguing against Kahn. I don't know enough about him to have voted either way, so I didn't vote. I just pointed out that it wasn't kosher to automatically equate anything that looks like a lightsaber to an actual lightsaber.

Secondly, the god thing. Earlier in the thread, there were some arguments thrown about regarding Kahn winning simply because he can beat the God of Lightning, etc. That's empty logic; just because Kahn is a "god buster" doesn't mean he'll win automatically. That title in itself has zero meaning behind it. I could be a "God Buster" too, just let me pick and choose what fiction that "god" comes from.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 04:55 PM

In a fight, being a god buster makes all the difference. That alone has over-shadowed all of Vader's feats. It counts for a lot more than "Vader has a lightsaber".

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 05:00 PM

In a fight, being a god buster makes all the difference. That alone has over-shadowed all of Vader's feats. It counts for a lot more than "Vader has a lightsaber".


You're not getting what I'm saying. I'm speaking very generally here, because this is a pattern I've noticed in lots of debates. Just because a character is a "God Buster" does not mean anything unless you provide relevant context.

For instance, give me -- real life, little old me -- a god of my choice and put us in the arena. I can kill that god. I guess that makes me a "God-Buster". Does that mean I could take Darth Vader or Iron Man or Captain America, since they're all just puny mortals who have never faced a god? Hell no.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 07:42 PM

If you in real life killed Raiden, then yes I would give you the fight over Cap and Vader as well... I guess is what your asking... Are you under the assumption that Captain America, Vader, and Iron Man are on the same level as gods like Raiden, Zeus, and Thor??? Becuase if so, you sir have been misinformed.




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