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Match 12800 Lex Luthor vs. Ozymandias (Watchmen)


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#21 sirmethos

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 08:25 PM

Oh, well, a lot of that simply wasn't focused on in the graphic novel, so we can't be sure of it, but i see what you mean. However, outsmarting Doctor Manhattan is a significant feat, as is creating the fake alien monster and tricking the world in to peace. Ozymandias may have limited feats but those feats are definitely comparable to some of the plans Luthor has concocted. Also, Luthor tends to lose, while Ozymandias has, technically, a one-hundred-percent sucess rate.

A lot of the problems with comparing these two chracters are due to the lack of one of them, Ozymandias, being in mainstream comics, or, at least, more comics.


"outsmarting" Dr. Manhattan wasn't as impressive as you're making it out to be. Primarily because he didn't actually "outsmart" him. He found a minor weakness in his(manhattan's) powers, and used that weakness to make sure that Manhattan didn't know what he was doing -.-

A comparable thing, would be Luthor beating Superman in a fist fight. After weakening him with Kryptonite or Red Sunlight.

Though I will admit, that convincing Dr. Manhattan, once he found out what was happening, that it was a good idea. That was moderately impressive.

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 08:34 PM

Yea but in the setup it seems already both men have agreed there each other's equal in this world. Luthor even says it would be up to them only to stop each other.

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 08:38 PM

More aptly it would be Lex just distracting superman and make sure he didn't know what he was really doing. Kind of like Superman/Batman Public enemies. Or half of Luthor's more convoluted plots (you thought I was doing that? FOOL I was really doing this!)

As for the set up, just because they say they're equals does not make them so. It was just dialogue there to make the scene interesting. Ozy is not made smarter because lex declares him to be. It's standard Ozy, standard Lex.
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Side question, why does Luthor keep getting to run his company? Why would they continually let him back in? If you're on the board of directors what's your logic? Sure he's brilliant, but he inevitably ends up embezzling huge amounts of cash and destroying the building with a giant super-fight. Then he's in prison again. At some point you'd think they'd just liquidate the company so he couldn't keep repeating himself.

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 08:43 PM

Side question, why does Luthor keep getting to run his company? Why would they continually let him back in? If you're on the board of directors what's your logic? Sure he's brilliant, but he inevitably ends up embezzling huge amounts of cash and destroying the building with a giant super-fight. Then he's in prison again. At some point you'd think they'd just liquidate the company so he couldn't keep repeating himself.


You don't think he has every single one of the board members by the short and curlies?

It seems like a Luthor thing, to have blackmail material on all of them, and possibly something(or someone) they care about stashed away so that he can dispose of it(him/her?) if the board member in question doesn't do what Luthor wants him/her to do.

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 08:47 PM

Yup Methos basically answered that question. However Lexcorp was almost out of business in the comics until Lana Lang's dumbass had to go and save it.

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 09:43 PM

I guess that makes sense. At least enough sense for comics.

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 10:56 AM

Another symptom of happyending idas:
Returning to a position where they can threaten the hero despite previous failures with no apparent obstacles because writers dont know how else to make new stories.
Other cases include: The Schredder some how not being blown up anymore.
Bowser amassing a new army between every game.
The revolving door on Arkham asylum.

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 03:35 AM

"outsmarting" Dr. Manhattan wasn't as impressive as you're making it out to be. Primarily because he didn't actually "outsmart" him. He found a minor weakness in his(manhattan's) powers, and used that weakness to make sure that Manhattan didn't know what he was doing -.-

A comparable thing, would be Luthor beating Superman in a fist fight. After weakening him with Kryptonite or Red Sunlight.

Though I will admit, that convincing Dr. Manhattan, once he found out what was happening, that it was a good idea. That was moderately impressive.


That's debatable, but it's not this debate, and my other points still stand. What Ozymandias achieved in his one story is equal to many of the things Luthor has pulled off, superior to some, inferior to others, but only due to a lack of opportunity to show himself to be more than what Watchmen allowed.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 07:15 AM

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 04:29 PM

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I can hide my love no longer!!!


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Posted 15 November 2012 - 04:29 PM

Get a room, you two. :D

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 04:30 PM

B-but..., we have proof of our love this time! Quoted.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 04:33 PM

Izzat right? I think I can help you with that.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 04:38 PM

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 05:07 PM

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Done. And whatever's going on here, leave me out of it. :P

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 05:10 PM

AHAHAHAHAHAHA! You so crazy, Skillz!! haha.

I c wut u did thar.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 05:12 PM

Also, you may want to check out what I did. Check out that quote again, also who it's by.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 06:01 PM

:blink:

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 06:02 PM

If I were you Rob, I'd join in on the fun.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 06:04 PM

I'd rather not... :unsure:




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