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#41 Jaeger Panzer

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 06:45 PM

Cooler literally has no way of injuring Orion.

While Orion is superior to COoler in many respects.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 06:48 PM

Legacy you know little of MMA, Brock is slower, and less skilled in everything excpet punching which is why he is not a champion nor a contender. Brute strength is nothing. Silva is actually not weaker, and his skills are great enough that his kicks will be stronger than Brocks anyday.

Training for 1000 years means experience not skills as you can have a weak fighter train and still lose to someone newer because he is that much better, I think Batman has defeated many people that trained far longer, use that as my example. Goku beat Pykkon and he was dead for a long time, or even Olibu.

in real fighting (this is not real I know) experience is great to keep you calm and be more level headed, but skills are a different thing altogether.

I beaten one black belt and came close to beating another in BJJ, I am a blue belt, but I also know what they know just not been practicing as long.

In this case Cooler will charge up his large energy and shot it, end of story, if Orion evades it (it would be a large energy ball so hard to out run that) he would be w/o a planet to stand on and then it';s a matter of shooting him like I would a fish in a barrel. If not he could go circles around him.

Again BOOMTUBES (mother box)

Also when a person is leagues more powerful all the skills in the world wont help. I work in a jail and people that have been trained as boxers or in mma lose to me or others every day because of size and power. A person cant use all those "skills" when they dont have a chance to fight back. So no, here power and experience when out and defeats the less powerful and experienced fighter.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 06:53 PM

Yeah, doesn't matter if planet is destroyed, he has motherbox.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 06:54 PM

so you beat people up that are in prison? sure if you are 6'11" and I'm 5'8" I will have a hard time, but I bet you wouldn't fare as well if the guys knew that hitting back would mean more jail time.

for instance I bet GSP being smaller than you if you are big and strong would still make it a great fight, and I bet if you get to the ground you will be a pillow to someone that knows what to do. Skills do make a difference. In this case Orion is not taller nor bigger, he is slower and has no flight so yes I will stay with my original post and say Orion will be floating in space in less than a second. Oh and to the one who said the DBZ blasts are slow, rewatch them they are actually fast and can be made to go faster. they reach the sun in seconds.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 06:55 PM

so the "motherbox" is his only hope I agree. but hard to do when you are fighting someone faster and doesnt just stand there.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 06:56 PM

so you beat people up that are in prison? sure if you are 6'11" and I'm 5'8" I will have a hard time, but I bet you wouldn't fare as well if the guys knew that hitting back would mean more jail time.

for instance I bet GSP being smaller than you if you are big and strong would still make it a great fight, and I bet if you get to the ground you will be a pillow to someone that knows what to do. Skills do make a difference. In this case Orion is not taller nor bigger, he is slower and has no flight so yes I will stay with my original post and say Orion will be floating in space in less than a second. Oh and to the one who said the DBZ blasts are slow, rewatch them they are actually fast and can be made to go faster. they reach the sun in seconds.

So you know nothing about a real fight or anything about this fight. Thank you for clearing that up.

Orion is slow but he fights with people that could move FTL which is leagues faster than Cooler. The mother box works by thought. Thought is faster than anything Cooler can produce

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 07:07 PM

Orion isn't slower than Cooler, by the way.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 07:08 PM

Orion isn't slower than Cooler, by the way.

well compared to supes, flash, etc.

which are people he contends with

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 07:12 PM

Oy, another DBZ match getting all of the debate...

There's something all of you guys are overlooking. This will probably help progress the story on this arc, too (you can thank me later, ND ;))

Cooler and Orion are fighting on New Genesis, a planet every bit as armed and powerful as Apokolips. Not only that, it houses The Source, literally where most of the power of the DC universe originates. So however strong Cooler may be, destroying this planet likely ain't happenin'.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 10:02 PM

So you know nothing about a real fight or anything about this fight. Thank you for clearing that up.

Orion is slow but he fights with people that could move FTL which is leagues faster than Cooler. The mother box works by thought. Thought is faster than anything Cooler can produce


ok I don't train or anything. I know as much as someone who trains 4 days a week, but I am sure you train more and not just type about comic book fights. I won't argue since I don't know you, but take it from me, I seen little guys beat big guys up all the time, and not to really hurt them, but to take them out and tap them out. BJJ is all about little guys taking on the bigger and stronger guy, at least research before you talk about knowing fights. I bet you've been in a few and think you know, but really train and you will see that size matters to a certain point. I am not the best and thats for damn sure but blue belt isn't anything too rookie and given the fact that I train with a lot of people in both BJJ and stand up I know that it's on the person's individual skills that weigh in and not just their stature.

Mike Tyson is short, GSP is short, BJ Penn is short, Dan Henderson is short, Bruce was short. etc.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 10:10 PM

by the way I am not saying Cooler or DBZ win automatically, just saying that he would win since he has Flight, better energy attacks (long range) and is ruthless.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 10:12 PM

He has flight, better energy attacks(arguably). Ruthless? The Dog of War is just as ruthless. Badass too. He lit himself on fire to fight a martian.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 10:27 PM

Skillz the only reason I am replying a lot is to debate about fighting, since apparently I don't know about it. Not so much the DBZ part.

However in this case Nova Cooler is a bad guy that was ruthless, Orion is a hero, although not as boy scout as Supes is.

Setting himself on fire is not that great, Cooler would kill everything to win. watch his fight vs Goku, he is faster than you give him credit for, he gathers energy fast and can shoot them fast.

The whole argument about Orion fights people that have shown ftl feats makes him ftl or have reflexes like that is a dumb point (not that you said that) that is ABC logic that grinds my gears.

Thats like saying a lion is as fast as a cheetah since he was able to fight it before, and we all know thats not true.

Stop saying that people, Supes slows down to fight Darkseid, same with Doomsday, PIS is a reality. Orion fights people that are ftl due to it being a comic and sales needs to be met, that is all.

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 08:40 AM

Uh - Orion is a hero that has severe issues in the emotional spectrum - he has to be literally reminded to take things gently and easily and if he goes too far, he has to be physically restrained. And it's even worse against villains - his main method against any and all aggressors is: Destroy it then destroy it's remnants.

Basically, if he's pissed, any battle he's involved in, someone's going to die and it's usually a large body count if it's a massive fight. Cooler's less ruthless than Orion in the fact that Cooler (and about many other villains in DBZ) drag shit out and take their sweet time when they all could win.

Orion beats faces right off the bat while Cooler flaunts his final form and power. >.>

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 08:52 AM

Uh - Orion is a hero that has severe issues in the emotional spectrum - he has to be literally reminded to take things gently and easily and if he goes too far, he has to be physically restrained. And it's even worse against villains - his main method against any and all aggressors is: Destroy it then destroy it's remnants.

Basically, if he's pissed, any battle he's involved in, someone's going to die and it's usually a large body count if it's a massive fight. Cooler's less ruthless than Orion in the fact that Cooler (and about many other villains in DBZ) drag shit out and take their sweet time when they all could win.

Orion beats faces right off the bat while Cooler flaunts his final form and power. >.>

completely agree



@pymp a real fight doesnt have rules. Like it the comic book fights people in a real fight wont fight fair. They will do what they have to to win. Whether it be slamming a guys head into the steel bars of his cell or in this case All out brawling and pummeling until Cooler is nothing but paste.

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 10:09 AM

@pymp a real fight doesnt have rules. Like it the comic book fights people in a real fight wont fight fair. They will do what they have to to win. Whether it be slamming a guys head into the steel bars of his cell or in this case All out brawling and pummeling until Cooler is nothing but paste.



um I know that, which is why Cooler will win, explain to me how Cooler will be slammed if Orion cannot fly, Cooler if you knew him does not drag things out, he went for the kill with Goku, he can generate energy a lot faster than most in DBZ and only lost since Goku was more powerful.

In this case Cooler is more ruthless. (I fight I know there is no rules, but you make it seem like Cooler will not do a thing and let the slower unable to fly Orion do everything)

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 10:25 AM

Cooler is slower than Orion - Orion is capable of keeping up with Superman and whatnot.

Cooler lost to Goku because he let Goku transform into his Super Saiyan Form. If he was truly ruthless and followed the same method as Orion, he'd have transformed right off the bat and murdered him. I think he was there for revenge for his Brother. That's more and more reason to swiftly take it. -.-

In fact, we could also take Meta Cooler - he was far more powerful than both Goku and Vegeta. And yet he still dicked around and flaunted his power as well as the Big Geta Star's.

Orion > Cooler in ruthlessness, and in all seriousness, Cooler cannot even harm Orion. It's not a win for Cooler whatsoever.

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 11:22 AM

Don't use that. He keeps up with superman because superman is not going FTl. Not the other way around. Superman holds back with everyone. And it's a comic based on sales which is why everyone doesn't do what they should. Get over that. I dont like it when people say person A is as fast since they fought person B.

In that case Muhammad Ali is FTl, in that case Hulk is FTl for fighting Sentry, in that case Doom is faster thn light for taking on Surfer.

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 11:26 AM

Cooler cant hurt Orion... end of story. Cooler sends a wordls destroying attack and Orion kills Cooler by outsmarting him. The blast nears Orion, he opens a Boom tube and has the blast redirected through the boom tube and opens it on top of Cooler essentially making Cooler's own blast kill him.

GAME OVER

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 02:16 PM

since he does that all the time Legacy I forgot.




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