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Match 12194 Superboy-Prime vs. Vegito


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#21 Hayesmeister5651

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 11:47 AM

If Prime can survive a Universe exploding what feat does Vegito have that even comes close to proving he can put Prime down for good?

That is exactly it. Vegito has too few feats. That's like me saying "Vegito was turned into chocolate and was still conscious and retained his power, when has SBP been turned into something he is not that compares to that feat". Apples and Oranges.

On this site the majority are against DBZ on another site everyone is for DBZ. It's all opinion. Now when it comes to two fighters from the same universe, you can state facts, because more than likely they have fought before so that gives you something to go off of. That and they follow the same laws of physics.

Different universes have different rules. Superman noted that the people in the Marvel U had different heart beats than people from DC. In Dragonball you can blow up the moon with no affects on the planet. I'm willing to bet that if you did that in DC, it would affect the planet.

That is just a couple differences between each universe's laws.

EDIT: Just like when some energy absorber goes against someone from another universe. Just because that random energy absorber can absorb all sorts of energy in his universe, does not mean he can do it another universe.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 12:13 PM

So why do you say Vegito wins? Seems extremely hypocritical.

Also, as Ruinus pointed out a while ago, you have to assume that the laws of physics are the same. Otherwise you could be like, "in Marvel, a guy can lift an apple, but in marvel the apple weighs 1,000,000,000,000 tons in the DCU, so the guy can beat Superman trolololol."

#23 Hayesmeister5651

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 12:15 PM

It's just my opinion. If you read an earlier post, I said it'd be asinine to state it as fact. That is what the little rant was about.

Edit: I'm not like that at all. I get that a lot of people could say that, but I'm not a lot of people.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 12:16 PM

An opinion, which you stated yourself, has absolutely no basis. And therefore no value. Your opinion is worthless.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 12:19 PM

An opinion, which you stated yourself, has absolutely no basis. And therefore no value. Your opinion is worthless.

That's fine. In my posts I was always state that I am making an opinion or fact. So when I post a fact you can tear it all up and call me mean names :(

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 12:21 PM

Hayes man that post of yours with the difference in Universes just proves that Prime wins even more. Vegito has too few feats and he has not shown anything near the level of power that Prime has.

Funny Gogeta has shown more feats actually with the Fusion Reborn movie and GT.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 12:31 PM

Hayes man that post of yours with the difference in Universes just proves that Prime wins even more. Vegito has too few feats and he has not shown anything near the level of power that Prime has.

That's fine. Sometimes I just like to post who I think wins and leave it at that. I never said my opinion meant anything.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 12:32 PM

Prime crushes Vegito mercilessly, then goes ahead and kills the rest of the DBZ cast before retconning their universe out of existence by breaking through the fourth wall and uppercutting Akira Toriyama in the face during its initial inception.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 12:36 PM

I see what you did there.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 01:47 PM

Geez... I think this is gonna be one of those "vote one as a guest, and the other as myself." Again, how do we know what an SSJ2 Vegito is even capable of?

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 01:49 PM

Oh look Rob is back.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 01:52 PM

Heh.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 01:54 PM

I haven't seen Anu yet *Angelic chior* Prime all the way he RECREATED THE ENTIRE DAMN MULTIVERSE (sorta)

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 04:22 PM

Excellent setup and l loved read Prime smack around the Z Fighters. Prime is simply too powerful at 100% and I really see no way Vegito can put him down for good or even find another solution to beat him. Even without his armor Prime is too much for Vegito.

Wait wait wait wait. Are you actually referring that Prime could defeat vegito. No way. A quick fact for you vegito is more powerful than gogeta okay. Vegito can beat prime. You guys must not be paying close attention to how powerful these people are.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 05:01 PM

Wait wait wait wait. Are you actually referring that Prime could defeat vegito. No way. A quick fact for you vegito is more powerful than gogeta okay. Vegito can beat prime. You guys must not be paying close attention to how powerful these people are.


Okay, you're claiming that Vegito is more powerful than Prime, there has already been given a couple of examples of what exactly Prime is capable of, such as surviving an exploding universe, so at this point, you're going to have to give some examples that surpass that, in order to prove that Vegito is superior.

Otherwise you're pretty much just giving a worthless opinion.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 05:36 PM

Hmm, Super Buuhan was tearing down reality by screaming, and Vegito had little difficulty smacking him around. And that's in super saiyan 1, let alone what he can do in 3.

Didn't SBP punch Jason Todd back to life though?

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 05:42 PM

Hmm, Super Buuhan was tearing down reality by screaming, and Vegito had little difficulty smacking him around. And that's in super saiyan 1, let alone what he can do in 3.

That was also before Buu had absorbed Gohan, Gotenks, and Piccolo.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 06:06 PM

see the problem with alot of debates is the whole different universe thing.

For example I'm not really one to follow DBZ but alot of people do. Not one of my favs but who cares.


Now problems come from things like feats. Like saying Professor X is weaker than MM. MM is the most powerful telepath in DC (I THINK) and in Marvel Xavier is up there but moondragon is the most powerful. But Xaivers experience and skill is make make him forrmible to even the best. But whose to say that Xavier level isnt the same level as MM.

Thors feats put him on the on the level of supes
But what of Goku?
What of Android 18?

Batman to Daredevil
Batman to Punisher
Batman to Moonknight
Batman to Black Panther

Sentry to Superman

feats to someone like superman is like a buffet but Someone like Luke Cage is small.
Also in Marvel people arent allow to go faster than light in earths atmosphere but in DC they can so it's alot of Maybe and could be thrown around


I think CBUB need to maybe vote and come to agreement on certain things.

I feel sorry for the DBZ fans here because they are victims of this the most.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 10:29 PM

Hmm, Super Buuhan was tearing down reality by screaming, and Vegito had little difficulty smacking him around. And that's in super saiyan 1, let alone what he can do in 3.


Non-canon filler; it's inapplicable in this scenario.


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That was also before Buu had absorbed Gohan, Gotenks, and Piccolo.


Are you thinking of the Room of Spirit and Time scenario, where Super Buu screams his way out? Because Buu didn't fight Vegito until he had absorbed all other opponents that had the slightest chance of fighting him.

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 02:38 AM

To Marvel: anime is a version we can use unless the writer said only manga.

Hayes said something that I agree with, IT is faster than prime.
IT requires energy to pinpoint. Well watch Goku IT to save Tien from Cell, he does so w/o having his two fingers touch his forehead. And if you watch Metal Cooler, you actually see how IT works as they are moving so fast that it's slowed down remarkably.

Prime's weakness is his lack of skills. Reading the little I have on Prime, he took a universe exploding, but really how can that even be, was he just floating in nothing? Yeah great writing, it's laughable.
Anyway, Vegito might not be stronger, but since when does that actually matter, as even Spiderman has outclassed Juggernaut using brains only, Vegeta is a great fighter and Goku is a master at adapting, combined with a giant boost of power and speed, they can win. Goku would IT around him and based on the writers details it seems that even Gohan was able to send Prime flying.

Lastly, reading a bit of prime, he still gets hit by slower people thus negating his "he's Ftl therefore no one can touch him". Since DBZ has few feats, I vote we use all versions of DBZ as valid, since the filler is still Toriyama's work and appproved anyway, and unless it contradicts the manga we should be able to use them.

Great story regardless and I'm sure we can all agree on that at least

Hope you win the challenge.




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