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[Hayesmeister5651]

Black Adam has been shown as Superman's superior in terms of strength. And in terms of durability, he's far superior.

Nothing a quick sun dip can't fix

[sirmethos]

Black Adam has been shown as Superman's superior in terms of strength. And in terms of durability, he's far superior.

That's not entirely correct. Black Adam's durability to blunt force is far superior, but Superman's durability towards things like energy attacks is far superior to Adam's.

[Betterman]

The only thing I see a fight underwater doing is that it might negate Adam's maneuverability/flight speed advantage, leaving Adam with a strength/durability edge. I don't see a fight underwater doing anything more than maybe giving Namor one extra win out of the usual 10, maybe making it a 7/10 in Adam's favor.

[force_echo]

And how is Adam beating Superman in strength? Also, in what comic did BA beat Supes? I mean, Cyborg Superman beat the living shit out of BA, and Supes regularly beats him.

[sirmethos]

And how is Adam beating Superman in strength? Also, in what comic did BA beat Supes? I mean, Cyborg Superman beat the living shit out of BA, and Supes regularly beats him.

Superman regularly beats Henshaw because Superman is the hero of the comic -.- To show the ridiculousness of Superman's fights: He regularly has trouble when he's fighting Metallo.

Henshaw beat Eradicator, Superboy and Steel, at the same time. Eradicator is just as powerful as Superman(more powerful when he uses the Kryptonian Battle-Armor), he has EM-Energy Manipulation on top of the standard Kryptonian power set, and he is far more ruthless than Superman.

In a straight up fight, Henshaw would wipe the floor with the blue boyscout.

[force_echo]

He used to have trouble fighting Metallo because Metallo has a Kryptonite core. Hank Henshaw doesn't. And yeah, Eradicator has all that, but he doesn't have anywhere close the strategizing capability, or the raw fighting experience Superman has. You can't underrate that stuff.

[sirmethos]

He used to have trouble fighting Metallo because Metallo has a Kryptonite core. Hank Henshaw doesn't. And yeah, Eradicator has all that, but he doesn't have anywhere close the strategizing capability, or the raw fighting experience Superman has. You can't underrate that stuff.

Superman defeated Conduit(a guy that is a living, walking, talking Kryptonite Radiation generator), by melting a plate of lead over him, then pummeling him down -.-

With that experience in mind, Superman shouldn't have any trouble with Metallo, whatsoever. You can't tell me that when Metallo is in town, there magically isn't a single plate of lead to scrounge up on the entire planet. Considering that the blue boyscout can move from the JLA Watchtower, to the opposite side of the earth(by his own power) in a fraction of a second, he should have no trouble finding a plate of lead if there was one available anywhere on the planet.

As I said, ridiculous. Also, a brilliant example of that strategizing capability you mentioned -.- Or Superman going into close combat and trying to out-brawl Doomsday. I'm really seeing the superior strategizing capabilities here.

[bigballerju]

A couple of thing I have to address.

Doomsday- I love when people rip Superman and leave out facts. Superman had to save people and fight Doomsday at the same time. Superman never got a chance to grab Doomsday and throw him into space or anything like that. There were many other obstacles in that book that prevented Superman from handling Doomsday in another way that didn't involve fighting him.By the time he was able to get a full focus on Doomsday fighting him was the only option.

Metallo- It depends on the version of Metallo and the situation that Superman is in. By the way there have been quite a few times where Superman has made short work of Metallo.

Hank Henshaw- Apparently you forget that he is part kryptonian and that he still has those weaknesses. Plus Superman beat Cyborg Superman by outsmarting him and coming up with ways to defeat him that didn't involve a full on fight until the last one remained. Hank without the armor is not more powerful then Superman because he is only part kryptonian and the other half is not. Being ruthless doesn't mean your better. Unless he absorbs energy at his regular power level and no metal to control Superman would kick his ass which he has.

In a straight up fight where Hank has no energy to absorb, no extra kryptonian armor, and no metal Superman kicks his ass all over the place. Cyborg Superman with his regular abilities is not more powerful then Superman do to being only half kryptonian. By the way Superman has beat Eradicator before as well.

Your whole Superman beat Hank because he is the hero of the comics is bullcrap. Superman has lost plenty of times to villians in his own comics.

[sirmethos]

Yes, just like every 'hero' has temporary defeats, usually to show off how awesome the villain is, so that it's that much more impressive when the hero wins in the end -.-

It's like watching a Jean-Claude Van Damme movie. Van Damme gets his arse kicked by the antagonist, until just before he's completely unconscious, then he suddenly taps into a magical source of strength(usually after losing his shirt) and kicks the, until this point obviously superior, antagonist's arse all over the place.

It's the same general thing in comics. The hero has trouble, the hero struggles through the trouble, the hero wins. -.- It's what (most)people want to see. Personally I think it's boring and predictable. I've never had any sense of suspense reading a superhero comic, where I wonder *gasp* "Is <insert character name> gonna make it?!". 'cos we all know that the hero wins in the end. That's just how it is.


As for Doomsday, did we read the same comics? And are we talking about the same blue boyscout? ya know, the one that supposedly has great strategizing capabilities? Doomsday was pretty focused on him, it wouldn't really have been that difficult, to lead him to a place with less civilians around. Superman even sent Doomsday flying through a few buildings with a punch. Just use that super-speed, follow him, and keep punching 'till they reach a better place to fight. It doesn't really take a genius strategist to come up with that -.-

[bigballerju]

Superman has lost in his comics for example when Lex Luthor succeeded in destroying Metropolis in the Fall of Metropolis. Superman has lost when his old friend from high school was trying to kill Clark Kent and he had to kill off his Clark Kent identity because of him. Superman has lost when New Krypton was destroyed, when Lana Lang forced him off Earth when she dumped Kryptonite all over the Earth, when General Zod took over Metropolis for a while, and more.

Your wrong also on the temporary defeats. Do I need to bring up villains like Joker, Norman Osborn, Magneto, Apocalypse and others who have suceeded in defeating their heroes?

Doomsday was already on rampage, beating the hell out of the JLA, causing destruction, and more. So no Methos if you read the Superman: Doomsday comic you would know your strategy wouldn't work also because Doomsday's main focus wasn't Superman until their main fight which even then their were too many people around for him to do that. Doomsday was constantly attacking others even when Superman knocked him through a building.

Enough about that and back to this fight. Namor underwater with his kingdom behind him will be capable of putting up a fight against Black Adam.

[force_echo]

Superman defeated Conduit(a guy that is a living, walking, talking Kryptonite Radiation generator), by melting a plate of lead over him, then pummeling him down -.-

With that experience in mind, Superman shouldn't have any trouble with Metallo, whatsoever. You can't tell me that when Metallo is in town, there magically isn't a single plate of lead to scrounge up on the entire planet. Considering that the blue boyscout can move from the JLA Watchtower, to the opposite side of the earth(by his own power) in a fraction of a second, he should have no trouble finding a plate of lead if there was one available anywhere on the planet.

As I said, ridiculous. Also, a brilliant example of that strategizing capability you mentioned -.- Or Superman going into close combat and trying to out-brawl Doomsday. I'm really seeing the superior strategizing capabilities here.

You make no sense. You say Superman not covering Metallo up with lead showcases his inability to strategize, but doesn't the fact that he uses lead to cover up Conduit proof that he does? Besides, Metallo is easily strong enough to break out of a molten lead covering, that would stop him, for what? Like 20 seconds at most? And he can just absorb the lead anyway, if anything, pouring a heavy all over someone who has the power to absorb metal would be an example of poor strategizing ability. Also, in one comic, Superman did take Metallo and slam him beneath 20 feet of concrete to stop the radiation.

[sirmethos]

It would take 20 seconds to absorb the lead, yes. That's 20 seconds for a guy who is capable of moving faster than light -.- In 20 seconds he could turn Metallo into scrap metal.

And no, covering Conduit in lead doesn't show any extraordinary strategizing abilities. It just shows a modicum of common sense.

[force_echo]

It would take 10 seconds to break through the lead (actually more like a second, Metallo has close to Superman level strength and speed). Absorbing it is instantaneous.

Whatever, that's your opinion, the point is getting on Superman for not covering Metallo, but saying that he did the same thing with Conduit, makes absolutely no sense. Superman frequently strategizes on the fly.

[bigballerju]

Yup if you read Superman comics they show you Superman having to strategize while fighting a villian , saving civilians, and more all at the same time.

[Ivan]

Remember when this thread was about Black Adam and Namor? Heh.

I think Hank Henshaw, (and Black Adam, for that matter,) has been shown to have different powers at different times and so the message board versions of these characters are always vastly superior to their showing in any single comic issue. (Also known as Batman Syndrome, or BS for short.)

[skadoosh]

Remember when this thread was about Black Adam and Namor? Heh.

Yeah, good times... But honestly i like that there's a nice debate going on here, it's enlightening.