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[xLEGACYx]

In the war torn powerplant a lone figure remained standing after a gruesome battle. The Elder Predator roared, looking up at the sky with outstretched arms. He had single handidly dispatched 5 fearsome warriors. There heads now adorned the Predator's waist. His side glowed bright green were blood trickled from a wound on his abdomen to the floor. Then after celebrating his victory he reactivated his cloak and was gone once again. Moments later Spiderman swung through the air. Somersaulting he fell to the ground, landing on his feet. Observing the area it seemed as though he had just missed the fight. As he peered into the distance he saw what he had found as a reaccuring event over the last month or so. The bodies of his enemies laid strown across the floor. Parker also noticed some kind of bright green liquid that looked like it dripped across the floor and led to the wall, but thats where the trail ended. Hearing police sirens he thought it best to leave and rapidly shot his webs, allowing him to swing from the scene...

1 week later...

Crime had fallen dramatically in New York as of late. Unfortunately the reason didnt sit well with Peter Parker. Someone had been hunting down his rogue gallery. Week after week it seemed like another would mysteriously vanish. Then without warning there mutilated headless body would turn up. Even Moon Knight had fallen victim to this unknown assassin. What troubled the wall crawler even more than all the villans turning up dead was that he had been very paranoid lately because his spider sense would go off all the time. The only problem was from what he could tell no one and nothing was around. It troubled him to think his powers may be on the fritz once again. He knew someone was out there offing his enemies but he still didnt know who. After his evening run Parker headed back to his apartment, swinging through the city. He landed on the balcony of his place and headed inside. Upon entering he saw what he realized was Kraven's head sitting in the middle of the floor. Immediately assuming an attack he whirled in defense, but none came.

Watching from the rooftops a couple hundred yards away the Predator watched the reaction of his next prey. Since he had arrived he had witnessed this creature fight on multiple occassions and could not wait to test himself against him, but not just yet. Days passed as the Predator watched from a distance. He had realized that the closer he got, the more on edge the man became. Seeing the red and blue masked man fight, the Predator also realized his best chances of winning this fight.

Finally one night Parker came strolling out of the university where he taught. Walking down the street he reflected on the past events of the month. Parker used the same alley most often to change into costume for his nightly patrols. Walking to the back of the unlit alley he began to change. Suddenly his spider sense alarmed him of danger. Spinning around he saw multiple projectiles launch onto the walls of the alley. At the same time a loud thud hit the ground at the other end of the alley. Lasers projected from the devices attached to the walls. They lasers left no way out of the small alley from either end or the upper opening. Uncloaking, the Predator shifted his wrist so twin blades snapped out. In the other hand his Naginata opened as well. Spiderman through his mask on ready to fight. He knew there was no way out of this, he had to fight to survive.

Predator with cloak, wrist blades, Naginata, disc, whip, and net gun.

VS

Spiderman in original costume

Spiderman and the Predator are surronded by proximity lasers trapping both inside the alley until Predator disables the lasers.

[Callisto]

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[RakaiThwei]

Funny, this is something of a similar match up which a now banned member on the CBUB known as Red Blue Blur had actually done. Similar but definitely not the same from what I remember of his set up. One thing I can say about this match is that this one is somewhat better than your last Predator match up, so I can give you some props as far as that goes but everything felt a little rushed for me, and there are some grammatical and spelling errors as well.

I have to ask what kind of armor is this Elder wearing? Considering that he is high ranking warrior, given that he is an Elder, what type of grade of armor is he wearing... like is he wearing High Grade Dlex armor or Ceremonial? Even more of a question is what kind of grade are his blades and melee weapons? Are they low grade, medium grade, high grade or plasma grade Dlex weapons? Due note that high grade and plasma grade Dlex melee weapons are often reserved for high ranking warriors-- so knowing this would help out.

Also, you made mention that this Predator had hunted some of Spider-Mans' Rogue's gallery... Who are these villains aside from Kraven (and heroes, counting Moon Knight) that he has hunted within the time he has been on Earth? Because this experience can either be an advantage or a liability in this particular fight..

-Rakai'Thwei

[Magnamax]

I think Spider—Man should be able to win, the Predator should still have a pretty hard time hitting him with any projectiles or melee combat given the Spider Sense and Peter's overwhelming agility advantage. There is also the matter of strength, Predators' strength seem to fluctuate greatly depending on who is writing the match etc, but Spider—Man is currently at ten tons, which should be greater than or very close to the Predator's.

It also seems the Predator is not using his shoulder cannon, which gives Spidey less to have to worry about.

The environment slightly favors the Predator, as you have put the fight in as small of arena as possible, but I still think Spidey's overwhelming speed advantage and Sense should be enough to evade the Predator and do some damage.

I think it may come down to hit—and—run tactics for Spider—Man, but he should win out.

Btw, haven't been on the CBUB in awhile, it looks pretty spiffy around here.

[RakaiThwei]

I think Spider—Man should be able to win, the Predator should still have a pretty hard time hitting him with any projectiles or melee combat given the Spider Sense and Peter's overwhelming agility advantage. There is also the matter of strength, Predators' strength seem to fluctuate greatly depending on who is writing the match etc, but Spider—Man is currently at ten tons, which should be greater than or very close to the Predator's.

I'll give Spider-Man the speed advantage, but I think that an Elder would be able to land some pretty solid hits onto Spider-Man. Not to mention the fact that the environment does seem to be in favor of the Yautja in question as stated in the set up, meaning there is less room for Spider-Man to bounce around. So there is a chance that this Yautja in this fight can land some pretty jarring blows onto Spider-Man. Spider-Man may have Spider-Sense, but from the comics of Spider-Man that I do have, and these are comics from the mid 90s, his Spider-Sense doesn't tell him that each hit is coming from where, it just tells him about the danger and level of threat in the area. Not to mention, Spider-Man has been hit numerous times in the past by the likes of Doctor Octopus, and Green Goblin, even with Spider-Sense.

As far as speed goes, I would say that a Yautja is as perhaps as fast as Green Goblin. Still, Spider-Man does have the precognition which gives him a leg up.

In terms of the strength, the Alien vs Predator EU does suggest that the older and more expereinced a Yautja is, the physically stronger they are. However, this is something which is mentioned in the EU but if the author is going strictly by the films and only the films, then Spider-Man does have the strength advantage. In my match ups, I incorporate the EU because Twentieth Century Fox has acknowledged the EU as canon.

So whether or not the writer of this set up is accounting the EU, is something to be asked.

It also seems the Predator is not using his shoulder cannon, which gives Spidey less to have to worry about.

No arguement there.

The environment slightly favors the Predator, as you have put the fight in as small of arena as possible, but I still think Spidey's overwhelming speed advantage and Sense should be enough to evade the Predator and do some damage.

An environment can greatly affect the outcome of virtually any battle. Being a fighter myself, I know this for a fact and I have read up on this in numerous historical cases. However it also greatly depends on how the environment is being used and the tactics used to so much as make the best of it. As the set up has stated, the laser mines have Spider-Man pretty much pinned down and if we account AvP-R, we do know that the lasers have incredibly cutting capabilities as we've seen a Xenomorph get diced as Wolf threw one of them through a laser mine.

However, in Spider-Man's case, he is much more flexiable than a Xenomorph but Spider-Man is known for jumping and swinging around-- and with an environment like this, I just do not see it happening. And considering that he is fighting against an experienced opponent, who has hunted supervillains that Spider-Man has come across, and maybe some superheroes as well, gives this Predator the experience in dealing with superhumans and maybe, from what I understand, this Elder can adapt to the situation.

Another thing to ask is if Spider-Man has his training from Shang-Chi or not... this also affects the outcome.

I think it may come down to hit—and—run tactics for Spider—Man, but he should win out.

But the upper area and the front opening of the alley are sealed off by the laser mines. The thing with this, that Spider-Man virtually has nowhere but to go but maybe sticking to the walls. And while that might work for a moment, we need to remember that Yautja are fairly decent acrobatic as well and they have some skills of getting around which can put even the best La Parkour master to shame. We do know that they can bounce and rebound from walls, and we do know that they can jump at heights from 20 to 30 feet. So then this hit and run tactic becomes a game of rebounding off walls, and who hits who.

-Rakai'Thwei

[Magnamax]

I'll give Spider-Man the speed advantage, but I think that an Elder would be able to land some pretty solid hits onto Spider-Man. Not to mention the fact that the environment does seem to be in favor of the Yautja in question as stated in the set up, meaning there is less room for Spider-Man to bounce around. So there is a chance that this Yautja in this fight can land some pretty jarring blows onto Spider-Man. Spider-Man may have Spider-Sense, but from the comics of Spider-Man that I do have, and these are comics from the mid 90s, his Spider-Sense doesn't tell him that each hit is coming from where, it just tells him about the danger and level of threat in the area. Not to mention, Spider-Man has been hit numerous times in the past by the likes of Doctor Octopus, and Green Goblin, even with Spider-Sense.

As far as speed goes, I would say that a Yautja is as perhaps as fast as Green Goblin. Still, Spider-Man does have the precognition which gives him a leg up.

In terms of the strength, the Alien vs Predator EU does suggest that the older and more expereinced a Yautja is, the physically stronger they are. However, this is something which is mentioned in the EU but if the author is going strictly by the films and only the films, then Spider-Man does have the strength advantage. In my match ups, I incorporate the EU because Twentieth Century Fox has acknowledged the EU as canon.

So whether or not the writer of this set up is accounting the EU, is something to be asked.



No arguement there.



An environment can greatly affect the outcome of virtually any battle. Being a fighter myself, I know this for a fact and I have read up on this in numerous historical cases. However it also greatly depends on how the environment is being used and the tactics used to so much as make the best of it. As the set up has stated, the laser mines have Spider-Man pretty much pinned down and if we account AvP-R, we do know that the lasers have incredibly cutting capabilities as we've seen a Xenomorph get diced as Wolf threw one of them through a laser mine.

However, in Spider-Man's case, he is much more flexiable than a Xenomorph but Spider-Man is known for jumping and swinging around-- and with an environment like this, I just do not see it happening. And considering that he is fighting against an experienced opponent, who has hunted supervillains that Spider-Man has come across, and maybe some superheroes as well, gives this Predator the experience in dealing with superhumans and maybe, from what I understand, this Elder can adapt to the situation.

Another thing to ask is if Spider-Man has his training from Shang-Chi or not... this also affects the outcome.



But the upper area and the front opening of the alley are sealed off by the laser mines. The thing with this, that Spider-Man virtually has nowhere but to go but maybe sticking to the walls. And while that might work for a moment, we need to remember that Yautja are fairly decent acrobatic as well and they have some skills of getting around which can put even the best La Parkour master to shame. We do know that they can bounce and rebound from walls, and we do know that they can jump at heights from 20 to 30 feet. So then this hit and run tactic becomes a game of rebounding off walls, and who hits who.

-Rakai'Thwei

I'm not sure how the Predator can land "some solid hits" on Spider-Man, his reaction speed would have to be a lot faster than what is suggested in the movies, and I don't think there is anything—including the Aliens—that is quite as agile as Spider-Man in the Predator universe.

Also even if Spider-Man is only able to know danger is coming, it still gives him the advantage of knowing when the Predator will attack, a big advantage in a fight like this. To your two examples: Green Goblin is an enhanced human being who is quick and has gret reflexes and knows Spider-Man very well, while Doctor Octopus has six very fast mechanical arms, so it's not not a determent that they have hit him.

In terms of the environment, hit-and-run tactics are still very much possible even in a small environment when we're talking about Spider-Man, if this becomes a game of bouncing off walls and who can hit who more effectively than that is a huge advantage to Spider-Man. Even if the Elder can put L.A. Parkour runners to shame, Spider-Man is perhaps one the most agile beings in the Marvel Universe, so if this turns into a bouncing off the walls battle, Spider-Man should put the Predator to shame.

There's also a distinct posibility that this alley will be destroyed in this fight, giving Spider-Man a chance to move to a larger area.

We're also ignoring Spidey's web, which can provide a distraction if nothing else in this fight.

Spider-Man has also managed to fight villains who are stronger and faster than him—i.e.Venom—and still managed to win, here he has the advantage of being faster and, probably, stronger than this Predator so I see him faring pretty well in close quarters.

Predator is very tough, but I think he's going to struggle a lot with Spider-Man's speed and that will swing this fight.

Spider-Man by KO.

[RakaiThwei]

I'm not sure how the Predator can land "some solid hits" on Spider-Man, his reaction speed would have to be a lot faster than what is suggested in the movies, and I don't think there is anything—including the Aliens—that is quite as agile as Spider-Man in the Predator universe.

I am taking into the account of the expanded universe material as well. In the expanded universe material, which ranges from the comics, novels and of course the games-- the Yautja are depicted much faster than we have seen in the movies as well. Again, this is me taking the EU hand in hand with the films as Fox has acknowledged the EU as canon, but if the author of this match is strictly following the films, then I will conceed this point to you.

Also even if Spider-Man is only able to know danger is coming, it still gives him the advantage of knowing when the Predator will attack, a big advantage in a fight like this. To your two examples: Green Goblin is an enhanced human being who is quick and has gret reflexes and knows Spider-Man very well, while Doctor Octopus has six very fast mechanical arms, so it's not not a determent that they have hit him.

I am personally not at all convinced that Spider-Man's spider-sense is as cracked up as it's made out to be, otherwise know one would be able to so much as land a hit on him, including Norman Osborne himself. I will acknowledge that Norman is an enhanced human being, but again, I am also taking into account of the Alien vs Predator expanded universe which does show the Yautja being faster than what they are in the films, and I'd rank them up there with Norman Osborne. But again, if the author is strictly following the films... I'll conceed this to you.

In terms of the environment, hit-and-run tactics are still very much possible even in a small environment when we're talking about Spider-Man, if this becomes a game of bouncing off walls and who can hit who more effectively than that is a huge advantage to Spider-Man. Even if the Elder can put L.A. Parkour runners to shame, Spider-Man is perhaps one the most agile beings in the Marvel Universe, so if this turns into a bouncing off the walls battle, Spider-Man should put the Predator to shame.

Oh I am aware of what you're trying to say-- but perhaps I should've worded by arguement a bit better. Again, we do know that the Yautja are very agile and extremely spry creatures from the films and by extension, the expanded universe material. Perhaps comparing the Yautja and a La Parkour master is like comparing Bruce Lee to the average Karateka-- it's not a fair comparison. However I am unsure of any other way to put it to describe how the Yautja are agile, but the best way I can describe is by mentioning the Power Planet scene in AvP-R, where Wolf was bouncing and rebounding off the walls with incredible effeciency. He managed to climb up two or three floor levels within seconds.

I mean from what I've seen of the Yautja and their means of getting around, they're not too far behind Spider-Man.

But flexibility goes to Spider-Man.

We're also ignoring Spidey's web, which can provide a distraction if nothing else in this fight.

I don't think that's going to be too much of a problem. The Yautja's Smart Disc more than likely can cut through it because of the intangiable disruption field which surrounds the smart disc, this disruption field possesses incredibly cutting power on a molecular level. So I don't see the webbing being too much of a problem, not to mention the Smart Disc can be programmed to home in on it's prey.

Spider-Man has also managed to fight villains who are stronger and faster than him—i.e.Venom—and still managed to win, here he has the advantage of being faster and, probably, stronger than this Predator so I see him faring pretty well in close quarters.

And if you've read the set up, and I am sure that you have, it has mentioned that this Elder has definitely fought Spider-Man's Rogue's gallery. Now unless specified, we managed to get one name out of those villains, namely Kraven the Hunter. However there is a plural there in the set up suggesting that even more villains have been killed, and there is a possibility that the likes of Rhino and Venom might as well have been hunted. If that is the case, then we're looking at a Yautja whom even Spider-Man will have some trouble with here.

To the author of this match, could you tell us aside from Kraven and Moon Knight whom this Predator has hunted?

-Rakai'Thwei

[skadoosh]

Spiderman is physically superior to the Yautja, he's stronger, faster, more agile, etc. Plus, his Spider-sense means he can avoid even more of the Yautja's attacks than he would have just by moving quickly out of the way, and his webbing means he can confuse, and probably piss off, the Yautja, and maybe throw him around a little, but i doubt it. The Yautja isn't much slower or weaker, just enough for Spiderman to eventually win a close-up fight, but the Yautja wont do that, and it's got a lot of experience and a serious arsenal to utilize. Spiderman will be cut by the Yautja's blades, due to the strength of the metal they're made from, but i'm not sure how badly he'll be cut.

Overall, i see Spiderman winning eventually, due to his superior physicality, Spider-sense and the fact the fight is contained, so Spiderman will be close enough to use the advantages he has. But Spiderman isn't winning without serious injuries, especially because it'll be an up-close-and-personal fight. The Yautja will leave his mark on the Webslinger.

[Magnamax]

I am taking into the account of the expanded universe material as well. In the expanded universe material, which ranges from the comics, novels and of course the games-- the Yautja are depicted much faster than we have seen in the movies as well. Again, this is me taking the EU hand in hand with the films as Fox has acknowledged the EU as canon, but if the author of this match is strictly following the films, then I will conceed this point to you.



I am personally not at all convinced that Spider-Man's spider-sense is as cracked up as it's made out to be, otherwise know one would be able to so much as land a hit on him, including Norman Osborne himself. I will acknowledge that Norman is an enhanced human being, but again, I am also taking into account of the Alien vs Predator expanded universe which does show the Yautja being faster than what they are in the films, and I'd rank them up there with Norman Osborne. But again, if the author is strictly following the films... I'll conceed this to you.



Oh I am aware of what you're trying to say-- but perhaps I should've worded by arguement a bit better. Again, we do know that the Yautja are very agile and extremely spry creatures from the films and by extension, the expanded universe material. Perhaps comparing the Yautja and a La Parkour master is like comparing Bruce Lee to the average Karateka-- it's not a fair comparison. However I am unsure of any other way to put it to describe how the Yautja are agile, but the best way I can describe is by mentioning the Power Planet scene in AvP-R, where Wolf was bouncing and rebounding off the walls with incredible effeciency. He managed to climb up two or three floor levels within seconds.

I mean from what I've seen of the Yautja and their means of getting around, they're not too far behind Spider-Man.

But flexibility goes to Spider-Man.



I don't think that's going to be too much of a problem. The Yautja's Smart Disc more than likely can cut through it because of the intangiable disruption field which surrounds the smart disc, this disruption field possesses incredibly cutting power on a molecular level. So I don't see the webbing being too much of a problem, not to mention the Smart Disc can be programmed to home in on it's prey.



And if you've read the set up, and I am sure that you have, it has mentioned that this Elder has definitely fought Spider-Man's Rogue's gallery. Now unless specified, we managed to get one name out of those villains, namely Kraven the Hunter. However there is a plural there in the set up suggesting that even more villains have been killed, and there is a possibility that the likes of Rhino and Venom might as well have been hunted. If that is the case, then we're looking at a Yautja whom even Spider-Man will have some trouble with here.

To the author of this match, could you tell us aside from Kraven and Moon Knight whom this Predator has hunted?

-Rakai'Thwei

I think it was you that mentioned this fight is very similar to a Red Blue Blur arc from a long time ago, if I remember that arc correctly I believe that the Elder Predator fought Kraven, the Sinister Six and Moon Knight so that's what—I guess—we can base the fight off of. Given those opponents, Spider-Man will be the toughest opponent that this Predator has fought, by a large margin. And if we're comparing opponents that can hit the contestants, obviously Xenomorphs are more than capable of hitting a Predator and they are not as agile or quick as Spider-Man, in other words slower and weaker opponents have hit a Predator so logically Spider-Man should be able to leave some pretty good damage. Since the environment has been limited a lot of the lange range weaponery won't matter quite as much, instead melee will determine the outcome and Spider-Man has a big advantage there, so he should be able to win.

Whether or not this Predator is from the EU, Spider-Man should have the advantage enough to win, albeit a close win.

[RakaiThwei]

I think it was you that mentioned this fight is very similar to a Red Blue Blur arc from a long time ago, if I remember that arc correctly I believe that the Elder Predator fought Kraven, the Sinister Six and Moon Knight so that's what—I guess—we can base the fight off of.

No, from what I remember of that particular fight which Red Blue Blur had written was that the Yautja in his match had studied Peter for a number of weeks, and that he had been ghosting Parker to the point where Parker had been rendered an insomniac and lost some nights sleep. I also remember that there was no mention of Spider-Man's rogue's gallery in his match.

But this is xLEGACYx's fight and there is a mention of Spider-Man's Rogue's gallery here. Only one villain and one hero have been mentioned, namely Kraven the Hunter and Moon Knight. However, I do believe that more villains have been hunted, as mentioned in the set up but which villains remained in the realm of speculation until xLEGACYx clarifies which villains have been killed by this Predator. If this Yautja has hunted the likes of Green Goblin, Rhino and Venom, there is no doubt in my mind that Spider-Man will be in trouble here. That experience will prove to be quite helpful if the Predator in question has hunted these villains.

And if we're comparing opponents that can hit the contestants, obviously Xenomorphs are more than capable of hitting a Predator and they are not as agile or quick as Spider-Man, in other words slower and weaker opponents have hit a Predator so logically Spider-Man should be able to leave some pretty good damage.

The Yautja are quite agile themselves, and despite their larger size they are fast enough to evade gun-fire and are much faster than the finest human athlete. If anything, I would rank them on par with Norman Osborne himself as far as reaction speed is concerned though of course. As for agility and nimbleness, the Yautja have been shown to display acrobatic skill and have ninja-like movement as well. This was shown in Alien vs Predator, the original comic, where a group of renegade Unblooded warriors were jumping and flipping off cliffs, and they were wearing pretty bulky armor too. For a Yautja to do something like that definitely goes to show how nimble and agile these creatures are. And it should be noted that sometimes, Yautja use acrobatic like skill in their Jehdin fighting style and employ it in the Hunt quite often, at least as far as the EU has shown us and made mention.

Also, I have not made any comparisons between who hits who. You're the one who did but if you want to play that game, fine. Really, the only thing Spider-Man has going for him is the spider-sense, and it gives him advanced notice of where the danger is and what is the level of it. It's not like it goes off every second when someone throws a punch or something, but this is me going off from the few Spider-Man comics I do have which go back to the mid 90s. And I know that Spider-Man has been hit by the likes of Frank Castle on numerous ocassions as well, and of course, Captain America.

Never the less, you bring up two instances of Yautja being hit... If you are refering to the scene where Dutch had backhanded the Yautja named Diablo, do keep in mind that Diablo was toying with Dutch and LET Dutch him. In the case of Harrigan, that was a rightfully taken opprotunity by Harrigan who was of course dealing with an inexperienced and downright arrogant Yautja who had left himself fatally open. The latter I will conceed only on the part that instance was involving an inexperienced warrior-- here, in this set up, and assuming the character slot is right-- we're talking about an experienced veteran hunter whose strength, speed, reflexes are perhaps on par with Norman Osborne's or roughly close to Spider-Man's.

Again, the only things Spider-Man has going for him is his flexibility and spider-sense.

Since the environment has been limited a lot of the lange range weaponery won't matter quite as much, instead melee will determine the outcome and Spider-Man has a big advantage there, so he should be able to win.

It should be noted that the naginata gives the Yautja in question a 7-8 foot length in reach. And considering the limited environment, that might prove to be something of an advantage for the Yautja in question. Also, it should be noted that the Net-gun is a mid-range weapon and it can be used up close if need be and the shots are extremely fast for when the net is shot. I forgot how fast the nets travel when shot, but if Spider-Man is caught, those wires in the net are going to bleed him dry-- and a bleeding Spider-Man, who has lost a lot of blood is not an effective hero.

As for the smart disc, I have already made mention of it's cutting capabilities and the fact that it can be thrown and programmed to home in on it's prey. But the smart disc can be used as a melee weapon as well, and retain it's cutting capabilities when used in hand. This is a weapon that is long range, mid-range and close range and it can home in on it's prey, and return to it's thrower. This is a weapon that is down and all around.

-Rakai'Thwei

[Magnamax]

No, from what I remember of that particular fight which Red Blue Blur had written was that the Yautja in his match had studied Peter for a number of weeks, and that he had been ghosting Parker to the point where Parker had been rendered an insomniac and lost some nights sleep. I also remember that there was no mention of Spider-Man's rogue's gallery in his match.

But this is xLEGACYx's fight and there is a mention of Spider-Man's Rogue's gallery here. Only one villain and one hero have been mentioned, namely Kraven the Hunter and Moon Knight. However, I do believe that more villains have been hunted, as mentioned in the set up but which villains remained in the realm of speculation until xLEGACYx clarifies which villains have been killed by this Predator. If this Yautja has hunted the likes of Green Goblin, Rhino and Venom, there is no doubt in my mind that Spider-Man will be in trouble here. That experience will prove to be quite helpful if the Predator in question has hunted these villains.



The Yautja are quite agile themselves, and despite their larger size they are fast enough to evade gun-fire and are much faster than the finest human athlete. If anything, I would rank them on par with Norman Osborne himself as far as reaction speed is concerned though of course. As for agility and nimbleness, the Yautja have been shown to display acrobatic skill and have ninja-like movement as well. This was shown in Alien vs Predator, the original comic, where a group of renegade Unblooded warriors were jumping and flipping off cliffs, and they were wearing pretty bulky armor too. For a Yautja to do something like that definitely goes to show how nimble and agile these creatures are. And it should be noted that sometimes, Yautja use acrobatic like skill in their Jehdin fighting style and employ it in the Hunt quite often, at least as far as the EU has shown us and made mention.

Also, I have not made any comparisons between who hits who. You're the one who did but if you want to play that game, fine. Really, the only thing Spider-Man has going for him is the spider-sense, and it gives him advanced notice of where the danger is and what is the level of it. It's not like it goes off every second when someone throws a punch or something, but this is me going off from the few Spider-Man comics I do have which go back to the mid 90s. And I know that Spider-Man has been hit by the likes of Frank Castle on numerous ocassions as well, and of course, Captain America.

Never the less, you bring up two instances of Yautja being hit... If you are refering to the scene where Dutch had backhanded the Yautja named Diablo, do keep in mind that Diablo was toying with Dutch and LET Dutch him. In the case of Harrigan, that was a rightfully taken opprotunity by Harrigan who was of course dealing with an inexperienced and downright arrogant Yautja who had left himself fatally open. The latter I will conceed only on the part that instance was involving an inexperienced warrior-- here, in this set up, and assuming the character slot is right-- we're talking about an experienced veteran hunter whose strength, speed, reflexes are perhaps on par with Norman Osborne's or roughly close to Spider-Man's.

Again, the only things Spider-Man has going for him is his flexibility and spider-sense.



It should be noted that the naginata gives the Yautja in question a 7-8 foot length in reach. And considering the limited environment, that might prove to be something of an advantage for the Yautja in question. Also, it should be noted that the Net-gun is a mid-range weapon and it can be used up close if need be and the shots are extremely fast for when the net is shot. I forgot how fast the nets travel when shot, but if Spider-Man is caught, those wires in the net are going to bleed him dry-- and a bleeding Spider-Man, who has lost a lot of blood is not an effective hero.

As for the smart disc, I have already made mention of it's cutting capabilities and the fact that it can be thrown and programmed to home in on it's prey. But the smart disc can be used as a melee weapon as well, and retain it's cutting capabilities when used in hand. This is a weapon that is long range, mid-range and close range and it can home in on it's prey, and return to it's thrower. This is a weapon that is down and all around.

-Rakai'Thwei

Maybe I was misremembering which arc was which, maybe it was one of your old arcs where a Predator fought the sinister six and Moon Knight, but I thought it was REd Blue Blur...at any rate, you're right it doesn't matter to this fight. Hopefully the author clears up any confusion...

In terms of the "who hits who" argument, I was making reference to an earlier post when you mentioned that Spider-Man had been hit by villains like Green Goblin and Doctor Octopus, so I'm not "playing that game," just making a comparison to what the Predator has fought before. Sorry if my comment offended you. And really the Spider-Sense should go off whenever there is danger evident, even if it is just someone throwing a punch. It gives Spider-Man enough notice to dodge gunfire at point-blank range, so it should be enough to give him an edge dodging blows in hand-to-hand combat.

I'm also not doubting the Predator is agile, I just don't think he is on Spidey's level. In a fight like this, even being a little less quick can tip the scales and I think Spidey has that edge.

My comment was not pointing to the two humans who had tagged the Predators, I was pointing towards Xenomorphs hitting them, who are slightly slower and less strong than Spider-Man. I understand the Dutch point and wasn't using that as an argument.

I also don't think Spider Man only has flexibility and his spider-sense, those are two advantages but Spidey is also more agile and has plenty of strength to throw around. To say he only has those two things is underestimating Spider-Man quite a bit.

In terms of any of those weapons I think Spider-Man's ability to keep the fight close should be able to limit the effectivness of most of those, if they land blows they'll be effective, but I think the Predator will be hard-pressed to hit him.

Again I think strength is pretty close together, but Spidey has an edge in agility and reflexes. It will be a long, grinding fight, but Spider-Man can eventually deal enough damage to win the fight. A close match should come down to edges, and I think Spider-Man has more than the Predator in this match and should win in a close one.

[force_echo]

Spider-Man wins solidly. He's the Predator's superior in every way, and the Predator doesn't have any toys that can take down Spider-Man.

No agility feats you've given so far are remotely impressive compared to Spider-Man's regular-basis agility feats. The guy has managed to escape unscathed from an enclosed room with 20-30 computer guided lasers firing at him. Also, villains hit Spider-Man because it wouldn't be dramatic if he dodged every blow. The Predator's gotten tagged by individuals a lot slower than Spider-Man's rogue gallery-- Xenomorphs and humans, as Magna pointed out. Spider-Man can easily neutralize the smart disks by webbing the part that isn't a molecular blade, and I know that there is a part, because the Predators wouldn't be able to hold the thing otherwise. Also, spider-Man can just web the predator's hands to the wall while it's going for its smart disk.

[sirmethos]

"Spider-Man wins solidly. He's the Predator's superior in every way"

Not completely true. The Predator is just a strong as he is(potentially stronger). And since it's an Elder, it is vastly more skilled, and experienced, than Spider-Man is. Durability is kind of a toss-up, tilting in favor of the Yautja due to the body armor.

[RakaiThwei]

Maybe I was misremembering which arc was which, maybe it was one of your old arcs where a Predator fought the sinister six and Moon Knight, but I thought it was REd Blue Blur...at any rate, you're right it doesn't matter to this fight. Hopefully the author clears up any confusion...

I never did any Predator fights with either Scar Predator or Broken Tusk in my arcs that involved Moon Knight or the Sinister Six. You must be thinking of Red Blue Blur again.

In terms of the "who hits who" argument, I was making reference to an earlier post when you mentioned that Spider-Man had been hit by villains like Green Goblin and Doctor Octopus, so I'm not "playing that game," just making a comparison to what the Predator has fought before. Sorry if my comment offended you. And really the Spider-Sense should go off whenever there is danger evident, even if it is just someone throwing a punch. It gives Spider-Man enough notice to dodge gunfire at point-blank range, so it should be enough to give him an edge dodging blows in hand-to-hand combat.

In terms of the Xenomorphs, keep in mind that the Predators we do see fighting the Xenomorphs are usually the Unbloodeds to Bloodeds. In other words, these aren't even the higher ranking warriors which are the likes of Honoreds to Arbitrators. Elders would fall under this category of high ranking warriors, and very rarely have we seen Elders fight, but that is primarily for good reason considering that they are insanely skilled and often manhandle Xenomorphs with relative ease, though there are some breeds of Xenomorph which are faster and stronger than the Human gestated Xenomorphs-- such as of course the Runner and the PredAlien, and the latter more than likely is faster and stronger than ordinary Xenomorphs. Runners are only faster by a margain.

I also don't think Spider Man only has flexibility and his spider-sense, those are two advantages but Spidey is also more agile and has plenty of strength to throw around. To say he only has those two things is underestimating Spider-Man quite a bit

I don't think that I am underestimating Spider-Man at all. Not once have I said that this Predator here in this match is more than likely going to win because there are still a few variable which need answering here in particular, namely the fact that this Elder (assuming the writer KNOWS what an Elder Predator is and their very capabilities, though given his Scar Predator vs Omega Red fight where he turned the Predator into Wolverine, this is HIGHLY UNLIKELY.) has killed Spider-Man's Rogue's gallery, though which Rogue's aside from Kraven the Hunter and Moon Knight need to be clarified to give us a rough idea as to what this Predator is truly capable of.

Also, if you are going to take into account durability-- I would say that a Yautja is slightly more durable than Spider-Man. Also, they might have a higher pain threshold as well. Comparing a Yautja to Spider-Man's durability, I would say that they might be more or less roughly the same. Both can withstand a lot of blunt force trauma, and both can withstand a heavy amount of punishment. But the Yautja have thicker and rougher skin is like either alligator hide or rhinocerous skin, and their musculature is probably a bit more tougher as well. So as far as durability and pain threshold is concerned, they're roughly the same... HOWEVER... there is one thing you haven't acknowledged.

Yautja Armor.

There are many different styles to it, from light issue, to standard issue, to assault issue, to heavy war issue. Also to consider is not only the style of the armor, but also the very grade of Dlex metal which it is forged from ranging from Low Grade Dlex to High Grade Dlex metal.

Light Style Armor



Medium Style Armor



Heavy War Style Armor



Ceremonial Type Armor



Therefore, consideirng the different styles and grade of the armor, I need to ask the author of this particular match, and I hope he is reading this very thread as he had made it, so I hope I am making this very clear here...

WHAT STYLE OF ARMOR AND GRADE OF DLEX METAL IS THIS ELDER PREDATOR WEARING?

Knowing what kind of armor would help as well as the grade of the metal which it is made out of. After all, each different style of armor covers less or more areas of the body in question for the Yautja in this fight. Remember, there are three grade of Dlex which are allowed for making the body armor for Yautja... there is:

Low Grade Dlex
Medium Grade Dlex
High Grade Dlex...

So knowing these details WILL help better determine the outcome of this battle.

In terms of any of those weapons I think Spider-Man's ability to keep the fight close should be able to limit the effectivness of most of those, if they land blows they'll be effective, but I think the Predator will be hard-pressed to hit him.

Again I think strength is pretty close together, but Spidey has an edge in agility and reflexes. It will be a long, grinding fight, but Spider-Man can eventually deal enough damage to win the fight. A close match should come down to edges, and I think Spider-Man has more than the Predator in this match and should win in a close one.

Well, at least you are giving the Predator credit where credit is due... I can commend you for that, defintiely. At least you're not saying Spider-Man wins in a stomp. But if you ask me, from what I know of the Yautja, a Predator-- or at least a Veteran to an Elder would be able to keep up with Spider-Man in terms of reflex and speed.

"Spider-Man wins solidly. He's the Predator's superior in every way"

Not completely true. The Predator is just a strong as he is(potentially stronger). And since it's an Elder, it is vastly more skilled, and experienced, than Spider-Man is. Durability is kind of a toss-up, tilting in favor of the Yautja due to the body armor.

Quoted for truth...

And let's not forget prep-time, if we are to take into account into that as well..

-Rakai'Thwei

[force_echo]

What does it matter what kind of armor the Predator has? Spider-Man can rip the armor itself off. Plus, while the Pred might have been fighting for longer than Spider-Man, Spider-Man has a much MUCH higher grade experience than Predator has. He beats people with Pred's power set and above on a regular basis, and he's been fighting regularly fighting high grade supervillains since he was 16. Like I put in a different match, I would bet against a person who has experience in killing rats for all of his life in a match against a guy who's been fighting lions for a year or two.

As for skill, raw fighting skill is easily offset by Spider-Man's innate fighting ability. His on-the-spot tactical decisions and his ability to innovate fighting solutions, plus his unique fighting style AND training from Shang-Chi give completely overset whatever raw "skill" the predator might have.

Also, what are its strength feats that put it on Spidey's level?

[RakaiThwei]

What does it matter what kind of armor the Predator has? Spider-Man can rip the armor itself off. Plus, while the Pred might have been fighting for longer than Spider-Man, Spider-Man has a much MUCH higher grade experience than Predator has. He beats people with Pred's power set and above on a regular basis, and he's been fighting regularly fighting high grade supervillains since he was 16. Like I put in a different match, I would bet against a person who has experience in killing rats for all of his life in a match against a guy who's been fighting lions for a year or two.

It matters about the kind of armor which the Predator has considering the fact that this is an up close battle, and Spider-Man more than likely will want to play keep away. Getting in the range of the Yautja, fighting him up close in an attempt to get at the armor and rip away at it really is something Parker would not want to do, at least not necessarily straight up. Getting in to grab at the armor makes more than a perfect vulnerability for a Yautja to attempt to evicersate the wall crawler. And if Parker so much as tries to do that, he's playing the Yautja's game... a game which may get him killed.

Given that the Yautja have slowed aging and longer lifespans, we do know that Elders are somewhere in the late hundreds to thousands of years of age. And yet they are still prime specimens as far as physicality and physiology goes. Peter began his hero career at the age of 16 as you put it, assuming that is the correct age, by the time he has started-- there are Yautja out there who have hunted longer than he has been in his career, longer than even his parents so much as concieved him-- sticking to the AvP lore, we know that Yautja have hunted Humans, Xenomorphs, Engineers and maybe if we are to include Prometheus, Trilobytes and Deacons. We also know that Yautja also come into conflicts with each other. However in the case of this Predator in this match, he has dealt with superhumans before, the set up even confirms it-- it's made mention of Spider-Man's Rogue's gallery being cleaned out, Moon Knight being claimed as trophy. Now who out of those villains in Spider-Man's Rogue's gallery aside from Kraven should be mentioned, is a matter of discussion and needs confirmation by the author, who has not revisited this thread he has even made. And I am wondering why he hasn't come to confirm anything.

Also, what are its strength feats that put it on Spidey's level?

Are we refering to this Yautja in this match up, or the species as a whole general?

-Rakai'Thwei

[force_echo]

Or he can just web the armor/helmet from a distance and rip it off that way.

Ok, so the Yajuta has some experience. He's beaten Kraven, and at least one other dude. [sarcasm]Yup, that definitely makes him equal in superhuman fighting experience to someone who fights people like Iron Man, Hulk, and even Blackheart.[/sarcasm]

And yes, any indication from any member of the species that they are close to Spider-Man's strength.

Also, his spider-sense doesn't just show that there is a threat, that would be completely useless in a fight, its completely directional, and varies in intensity based on the level of the threat.

[RakaiThwei]

Or he can just web the armor/helmet from a distance and rip it off that way.

Not likely, considering that the mask is pressurized to the head.

Ok, so the Yajuta has some experience. He's beaten Kraven, and at least one other dude. [sarcasm]Yup, that definitely makes him equal in superhuman fighting experience to someone who fights people like Iron Man, Hulk, and even Blackheart.[/sarcasm]

We do know that Spider-Man's Rogue's gallery is being cleaned out. Aside from Kraven and Moon Knight, the author needs to clarify who else has been taken out. But given that the mention is plural, we know that more than just Kraven and Moon Knight have been taken out.

And yes, any indication from any member of the species that they are close to Spider-Man's strength.

Gladly.

Here is a feat shown by Scarface Predator, a formerly dishonored veteran Yautja who has spent the last 100 years from 1930 to 2030 on an arid, desolate wasteland planet, surviving against a species of unknown and impossibly large alien insectoids. In the game narration provided by Isabella Borgia, a character within the game Predator: Concrete Jungle, she makes mention that he is much stronger than the party of Young Blooded males that her son, Hunter Borgia has ever come across and is by definition a Super Predator (this is before Robert Rodriguez's PREDATORS).

I have had two people look at this video which I am about to provide you. I have had a woman who does have a degree in 3D Arts and Media, and I have had a game developer actually look at this video footage. In case you were wondering this is the door feat in Predator: Concrete Jungle.

(Skip to 1:45 and 4:25)



Before you discount this feat and think nothing of it, as I had made mention I had two people actually look at this footage. Eveecutie, former CBUB member whom I am still in touch with, does have a degree in 3D Arts and Media. In 3D Arts and Media, actual measurements of mass and mathematics are required to make computer generated environments and objects. I have given her the height and the width and the thickness of the door according to roughly estimated numbers for a door to be that height and width, thickness as well, and I am told that door was sixteen tons in weight.

I've also had a game developer by the name of Daniel Cook, owner of websites such as the Lost Garden, who has worked on games such as Tyrian during his tenure at Epic Megagames and is the Chief Executive Officer at Spry Fox-- look at the video which I have linked to you above. He has said that the feat evokes what is called evocative feedback which invokes a narrative thread. Narrative feedback like this doesn't necessarily have to be part of an FMV cutscene to be considered part of the story. This is a professional opinion from a game developer who has said that this feat is indeed part of the storyline and by that definition, it's canon within the story.

And if that is not enough for you, there are two instances of Yautja Elder standing toe to toe with fully matured Alien Queens, and in one instance out of those two-- a full blown Empress, which is a stronger varient of a Queen. Both these Yautja have survived close quarters combat with this Queen and Empress-- killing these two creatures with their bare hands. And I can give you the names of these Yautja.

Dachande and Smiley Predator.

Now these Predators are Yautja who have reached their potential of meeting Spider-Man's strenge range. But these Yautja are far and few when compared to the average Yautja, who are somewhere in the 2-5 ton range, are not the majority but rather a minority.

-Rakai'Thwei

[force_echo]

How does fighting an alien queen give me any indication of how strong the predator is? For all I know, Spider-Man can manhandle the Queen even easier. And yeah, I know that actual mass is given, I've made multiple video games before. The mass and parameters are completely arbitrary. You can make a cardboard weight 100,000 tons if you want too, and give the character a parameter throwing force of 1,000,000 tons. While the feat of the Predator lifting the door might be canon, the "weight" of the door is completely within the field of game mechanics unless it's stated somewhere in the game. Also, high feats of Spider-Man put him in the 60+ ton range, seeing as how he has effortlessly thrown tanks around. However, the stated strength of Spider-Man is around 15 tons. Likewise, even if one high end feat puts a Predator at a strength much higher than its stated capabilities, we usually go with the stated capabilities.