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Posted 18 June 2012 - 01:49 PM

OK, so the fact that she takes an oath not to kill isn't a problem, and the fact that she doesn't swear isn't the problem, what IS the problem here?

Because I really have no idea on what do you think is the "proper" way of writing Hit Girl.

Because she's too nice? You gotta take context and track record into amount. You are judging my writing of Hit Girl on this match alone, as opposed to all the past times I've written her.

I ALWAYS meant to write Hit Girl as a dark, brooding vigilinate. That was always the plan with her. And it came across in my previous matches.

The reason why she isn't like that in THIS particular fight is that this is the moment when she takes her oath not to kill. It's an emotionally gripping moment, and this before she struck out on her own. Are you saying that Hit Girl is not allowed to feel sadness, compassion or regret? Because she's not a robot, she's a human being. There has to be a moment when she expresses something other than rage. Of course criminals piss her off, but the whole point of the setup is that there's a difference between someone like the Joker or Mister Szasz and someone like Dani California, and this is the moment when Hit Girl learned such difference.

peypeypey and Lunacyde, I'm gonna show you all my past Hit Girl matches, and THEN you'll judge if I write Hit Girl wrong or not:

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I don't think Hit Girl "sounds like Aunt May" in any of those matches.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 01:56 PM

By the way, what many people forget is that Hit Girl is supposed to be my homage to Batman. And Batman, even Post-Crisis, DOES have emotional and/or tender moment, and he DOES reach out and help the less fortunate criminals.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 01:56 PM

I'm not reading all of those

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 01:58 PM

I'm not reading all of those


TLDR.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 02:21 PM

Remember, in the movie, when she (Hit Girl) invades Rasul's place and kills literally everyone there? Remember how there's that one chick who's scared for her life and tries to run away? Remember how Hit Girl brutally and mercilessly killed her without a second thought? That's the kind of thing I'm talking about. She never shows any remorse at all when she kills people, despite the fact that they might just be running with the wrong crowd.

You see, people tend to have personalities, and that's what you wanna shoot for when you're writing about them. This is a fan fiction-esque website, so you should try to capture the character the way the writer writes them, and not the way you want.

Also, let's pretend you did write everyone in character, and you got them moderately decently. The set-up still gets nothing more than a "C". The idea isn't clever in the slightest. There's a bank robbery, Hit Girl and Big Daddy break it up, Hit Girl sides with the robber, Big Daddy gets angry. Nothing remotely interesting about it. It could have been, I guess, but you really needed to delve deeper than "She sudden realizes that her entire life goal is wrong and change instantly on the spot". Your writing didn't describe anything well, and it was just boring to read.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 02:42 PM

I'm not reading all of those


Then you have ZERO bussiness yelling at me for "not doing my research".

If you are not willing to do your research on my Hit Girl matches, you are never gonna get a proper sense on how I write Hit Girl. Because you have the memory of a goldfish and can't seem to remember stuff that I wrote one or two years ago.

Seriously, you tell me "I'm not reading all of those", yet you yell at me for not finding out where the movie "Kick Ass" takes place? Again, pot calling the kettle black.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 02:44 PM

Remember, in the movie, when she (Hit Girl) invades Rasul's place and kills literally everyone there? Remember how there's that one chick who's scared for her life and tries to run away? Remember how Hit Girl brutally and mercilessly killed her without a second thought? That's the kind of thing I'm talking about. She never shows any remorse at all when she kills people, despite the fact that they might just be running with the wrong crowd.

You see, people tend to have personalities, and that's what you wanna shoot for when you're writing about them. This is a fan fiction-esque website, so you should try to capture the character the way the writer writes them, and not the way you want.

Also, let's pretend you did write everyone in character, and you got them moderately decently. The set-up still gets nothing more than a "C". The idea isn't clever in the slightest. There's a bank robbery, Hit Girl and Big Daddy break it up, Hit Girl sides with the robber, Big Daddy gets angry. Nothing remotely interesting about it. It could have been, I guess, but you really needed to delve deeper than "She sudden realizes that her entire life goal is wrong and change instantly on the spot". Your writing didn't describe anything well, and it was just boring to read.


It's not so much that it isn't a clever idea, as much as the whole "she's not in character" that I take offense to. I DO try to write everyone in a match in-character, so I don't like being told that I don't. A good example is my Touhou matches, I do try to stay true to what I believe are the personalities and quirks of each characters. Of course, you never notice, since you are not fans of the Touhou Project...

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 02:47 PM

It's not so much that it isn't a clever idea, as much as the whole "she's not in character" that I take offense to. I DO try to write everyone in a match in-character, so I don't like being told that I don't. A good example is my Touhou matches, I do try to stay true to what I believe are the personalities and quirks of each characters. Of course, you never notice, since you are not fans of the Touhou Project...

What's the Touhou project?

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 02:50 PM

You don't know what the Touhou Project is? Really?

I've been writing Touhou matches for almost three years now (longer than I've been writring Touhou Reviews), I've used the Touhou characters countless of times, and you still don't know.

What do you think the links next to the character are for, anyway? You are supposed to click on them so you find out about the characters. How come nobody seems to do that?

Oh, and I supposed you don't know what "Melty Blood" or "Scary Go Round" are, either?

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 02:56 PM

Then you have ZERO bussiness yelling at me for "not doing my research".

If you are not willing to do your research on my Hit Girl matches, you are never gonna get a proper sense on how I write Hit Girl. Because you have the memory of a goldfish and can't seem to remember stuff that I wrote one or two years ago.

Seriously, you tell me "I'm not reading all of those", yet you yell at me for not finding out where the movie "Kick Ass" takes place? Again, pot calling the kettle black.


I could make a novel out of all the things that are wrong here.

1. There is a huge difference between using Google to find something (which take about 10 seconds) and reading 21 set-ups.
2. It doesn't matter. The personality should still be the same because this is the prologue match. Her personality should be at least identifiable, and guess what? It isn't. I shouldn't have to read 21 set-ups to understand the character.
3. I'm not the one writing the Set-up. It's just lazy to not look up the bare basics of the fight YOU'RE writing.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 02:57 PM

Oh, and I supposed you don't know what "Melty Blood" or "Scary Go Round" are, either?


Um... no. And I really don't care

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 03:04 PM

By the way, what many people forget is that Hit Girl is supposed to be my homage to Batman. And Batman, even Post-Crisis, DOES have emotional and/or tender moment, and he DOES reach out and help the less fortunate criminals.


Batman and Hit Girl are two separate characters. There is no reason to bring Batman into this discussion.

Because you have the memory of a goldfish and can't seem to remember stuff that I wrote one or two years ago.


I'm sorry but honestly who is going to remember stories you wrote from over a year ago?

Seriously, you tell me "I'm not reading all of those", yet you yell at me for not finding out where the movie "Kick Ass" takes place? Again, pot calling the kettle black.


You're kind of right but I just read one of your stories and looked up where Kick-Ass took place on Google. Reading the story took a lot longer and required much more effort.


peypeypey and Lunacyde, I'm gonna show you all my past Hit Girl matches, and THEN you'll judge if I write Hit Girl wrong or not:

Alright, I'm reading at least a few of them. however don't confuse things. We were commenting on her characterization in this particular work. For me I just can't picture Hit-Girl acting like she did in this work. It doesn't matter if you characterize her differently in your other works because we were not critiqueing those works. If you can't take criticism you can't improve.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 03:06 PM

Um... no. And I really don't care


Even when I use Akiha Tohno from "Melty Blood" or Erin Winters from "Scary Go Round" in my matches?

You are flat out telling me that you are not willing to do research on the characters I use on matches, yet you yell at ME for not doing research on Hit Girl?

Pot. Kettle. Black.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 03:08 PM

I can't "take criticism" from hypocrites who tell me to "do my research", yet flat out tell me they are not gonna do research if I use Akiha or Erin in a match.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 03:08 PM

Even when I use Akiha Tohno from "Melty Blood" or Erin Winters from "Scary Go Round" in my matches?

You are flat out telling me that you are not willing to do research on the characters I use on matches, yet you yell at ME for not doing research on Hit Girl?

Pot. Kettle. Black.


I've never seen any matches that even make mention to "Melty Blood" or "Scary Go Round"... I've only been actively participating for about a week of the past year.

And yes. I am telling you that.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 03:13 PM

I've never seen any matches that even make mention to "Melty Blood" or "Scary Go Round"... I've only been actively participating for about a week of the past year.

And yes. I am telling you that.


Matches I made with Akiha:

http://www.electricf...ha&fromsearch=1

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Matches I made with Erin:

http://www.electricf...in&fromsearch=1

http://www.electricf...showtopic=27139 (this is the OTHER match I have running this week, so I'm wondering how could you have possibly missed it)

If you are not willing to do your research when I use them, then you have NO RIGHT to tell me "do your research", under any circumstance, making this conversation entirely pointless.

I'll do my research on Hit Girl if you do your research on "Melty Blood", "Scary Go Round" and "Touhou Project".

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 03:15 PM

Even when I use Akiha Tohno from "Melty Blood" or Erin Winters from "Scary Go Round" in my matches?

You are flat out telling me that you are not willing to do research on the characters I use on matches, yet you yell at ME for not doing research on Hit Girl?

Pot. Kettle. Black.


You seem to be under the impression that everyone here is an avid follower of your matches. Simply put, due to the fact that you use relatively obscure characters in your matches, they don't get much attention.

How do you expect people to research characters they've never even heard of? You're the one making a match, the least you could do is do a little research on the characters involved.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 03:19 PM

What defines "obscure"? Everyone on Deviantart seem to know who these characters are when I use them on my Touhou Reviews. I've seen several drawings on Deviantart dedicated to both the Touhous and Akiha.

I think by "obscure" you mean "stuff that you don't know about because it doesn't cater to your shallow interests". I guess, by your token, "Card Captor Sakura" or "Oh My Goddess!" are "obscure".

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 03:26 PM

Obscure. Definition: Something that is not readily recognizable to most people.

Your characters are obscure. They have a relatively small following. We aren't saying that is a bad thing, just that most people are not familiar with the characters and therefore they don't garner a lot of attention.

You don't seem to understand the meaning of obscure.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 03:33 PM

then you have NO RIGHT to tell me "do your research"

I think you have no idea what you're talking about right now. I don't have to know every character that you write about. If you write about a character, you should know your stuff about them. Know what they act like, where they live, what they're capable of, that kind of stuff. The does not apply to the reader. I don't have to know every character you use because I'm not writing about them. You are. I suppose you could say that not reading every set-up that pops up and researching every character that pops up makes me a lazy reader, which I'm willing to accept. But not researching a character you're using makes you a lazy writer. The key difference is that you get graded on your writing, and being a lazy writer means that I'm going to exploit that as a flaw in the set-up. Feel free to call me a hypocrite for not looking up those characters, but that doesn't make it true.




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