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[xman4life]

First encounter which team fairs better?


New 52:
Superman
Green lantern
Wonder woman
Cyborg
Batman
Flash
Aquaman
Green arrow


X-men:
Cyclops
Colossus
Magneto
Wolverine
Rogue
Danger
Gambit
Iceman
Hope

[bigballerju]

Heh Darkseid fans must be very happy with Darkseid because he JLA just barely defeated him. Now one could argue that this is a inexperienced JLA but still Darkseid gave them a hell of a beating.

The X-Men team gets slaughtered and its up in the air as to whether the JLA win. The new JLA is very inexperienced as a team and still has alot of learning to do.

[xman4life]

Slaughtered? Even with rogue ,colossus, and hope? I think that's a bit much. The league didn't really beat him like that and I'm fairly certain the x men could come up with the same plan.lol

[bigballerju]

Rogue, Colossus, and Hope don't have what it takes to put down Darkseid in a fight. How exactly would the X-Men come up with the same plan as the League?

[xman4life]

Um do you know who danger is? And supermans strength was scaled back....... Not to mention all they really did was stab him in the eyes and sent him back to apokalips. Colossus has jugs strength not to mention hope has Everyone's powers. So yeah I think they will be ok. Oh yeah doesn't rogue copy people's power she touches? And can posess up to 8 powers at once? They will not get slaughter by THAT darkseid. Maybe another one but not that one.

[bigballerju]

Superman's strength was not scaled back. Just because they have not shown his highest feats doesn't mean they scaled him back. If anything Superman was destroying Darkseid's forces like they were nothing and easily breaking through Hal Jordan's constructs. He has defeated Hellspont after Hellspont thought he took down Superman and more.

Most of Hope's powers and the ones she will get won't do anything to him. I don't know what comic you read but they didn't beat Darkseid by a stab in the eye. Be serious now thats just stupid to even say.

Now go ahead and tell me how the League beat Darkseid if you read it. Then go ahead and tell me how the X-Men did it. I know because I have the comic and all of the JLA issues. While your at it go ahead and tell me what powers Hope will have that will defeat Darkseid.

[xman4life]

Since we BOTH read the new justice league then we both know they didn't come close to beating him. All they did was get swatted around then they stab him in the eyes(aqua man and wonder woman) and then cyborg rerouted the mother boxes and send him back. Green lanterns constructs was being broken by not just darkseid but by supes and the villain Spore in issue 7 i think. You think danger cant do the same? You think that being an unstoppable moving force wouldnt do anything to darkseid or you think rogues touch wouldn't affect him either? Wow


Also I never said they beat him. Please read before you comment. I said all they did was stab him in the eye and sent him back to apokalips.

[bigballerju]

Colossus doesn't do the whole running and being a unstoppable force like Cain's Juggernaut did. Are you going to ignore the fact Red Hulk was able to trade blows with Colossus/Juggernaut? Darkseid is way more then capable of defeating Colossus's Juggernaut. Superman broke Green Lantern's constructs easily by himself in issues 2 and 3 in the Justice League comics just to mention that. Superman was able to catch up with Flash who was using some of the speed force and flicked him across the city. But thats besides the point.

Rogue can't handle Darkseid's power. Come on now.............Really?

So how else do the X-Men win?

[xman4life]

The same way the jl did. Mother box reroute. Danger is more than capable. And the point isn't for rogue to kill darkseid because she can't the point is to WEAKEN him of which she can enough so they can hurt him because magneto alone can cause major damage and if you have been following uncanny x men you will see that iceman also is quite powerful. Supermans speed feat tagging the flash wasn't THAT spectacular because flash wasn't going speed of light he was just moving fast and because he underestimated supes he was able to be tagged stop reading more into it, how about when superman couldn't outrun darkseids beams but flash could? And green lantern in the jl isn't that powerful. I have all of the jl issues so I know what's going on but the better question is do you have x men titles? Because if so then you know colossus is just as powerful if not more than the last juggs because colossus was already before the upgrade able to hang with wwhulk and with an upgrade would make him even stronger than Cain Marko who was human.

So what do you think would happen when you have rogue AND hope running around with everyones powers attacking darkseid along with 7 other mutants attacking? Please! They will be just fine. The league didn't beat him honestly so exactly how high are the odds stacked against the x-men when the only real damage they did was stab him in the eyes? A feat wolverine can do alone OR to get technical gambit makes his mother or armor explode?

[bigballerju]

Rogue won't weaken Darkseid. Darkseid's power is so out of her league she will end up taking herself out of the equation. Saying Rogue's power will weaken Darkseid is like saying her power can weaken Thanos. We both know thats bullshit. So don't even try it.

Most of the powers Hope will get won't do crap against Darkseid. Iceman? What the hell is he gone do? Darkseid has so many ways to take out Magneto its not even funny. One problem with your Wolverine and Gambit theory. Neither one of them are on Wonder Woman's level and easily get ripped apart by Darkseid. Either that or the Omega Beams destroy them.

Colossus was never in WWH's league. Thats a load of crap as well. WWH destroyed the X-Men in that battle.

What damn power is Hope gone have that will put down Darkseid? I'm still waiting..........

[Hayesmeister5651]

Xman, why bother posting these topics? All you do is vote for X-men. We get it, you love X-men, now move on with your life.

[xLEGACYx]

just to point out that just because Cyborg was able to open a boom tube that they sent Darkseid through doesnt mean Danger could. The only reason he could open the boom tube in the first place is because the Apokoliptian tech is hardwired into Cyborg. When you think about it, it took the entire League just to push him into a boom tube. Now talk about actually fighting him. Darkseid would simply take them down 2 at a time (if not faster) with his Omega Beams (which he showed could keep up with Supes and Flash following both at the same time.

[bigballerju]

just to point out that just because Cyborg was able to open a boom tube that they sent Darkseid through doesnt mean Danger could. The only reason he could open the boom tube in the first place is because the Apokoliptian tech is hardwired into Cyborg. When you think about it, it took the entire League just to push him into a boom tube. Now talk about actually fighting him. Darkseid would simply take them down 2 at a time (if not faster) with his Omega Beams (which he showed could keep up with Supes and Flash following both at the same time.

Thank you very much Legacy. Thats why I said Danger wouldn't be able to do the same thing.

[xman4life]

@hayes i didnt say x-men would win. so READ before speaking. I said x-men wouldnt be tossed around like bigballerju says. ok lets go for that logic shall we? if darkseid wanted too he could have shot his omega beams at batman and aquaman and they would be dead. or green lantern and cyborg. its quite convinent that he shot them at the two FASTEST people of the team. and if rogue can weaken Thor who's to say she can't with darkseid. thats just PURE assumptions no real reason to deny it. danger speaks to machines because........she IS a machine. and @bigballerju if you read the ww hulk story vs the x-men then you would know that the hulk says(its canon)that if he wasn't at the level he was at he would have given him a run for his money or something to that effect. Colossus has been upgraded even before recieving juggs powers. but again you would know if you read x-men. and if magneto is able to pull a bullet the size of a asteroid for the other side of the universe from earth then yeah i think he could hurt darkseid. and the regeneration powers of wolverine alone makes it so that hope and rogue(having the powers of everyone)would stay in the fight. what was JL's tactic for darkseid? 1)distract him 2)stab him in the eyes

hmm can the x-men do that? um yeah. my point isn't to say the x-men does better as you would see if anyone would read(read, read, read, read, read, read, read, read, read)its to waive off this thinking that the x-men cant do much to darkseid when even the JL didnt do much to darkseid themselves. the fight was what 3 comics and in that span they didnt hardly do anything. and they didnt push darkseid into the boom tube(you obviously dont have the comic) they opened it and it began to pull him in and he grabbed superman to bring him with him and the fact is proven when you see the green lantern trying to pull superman away from him.

what can Iceman do you say? iceman can regenerate. iceman can make avatars. iceman can freeze(of course). iceman can alter his size and shape.

let me see i can come up with a plan. other than distract, and stab.

Colossus, hope and rogue attack seeing as they would all be the same strength and would at least be on par with wonder woman.

magneto hit him with skyscrappers, buses, tanks. and anything in the area.(or he just uses wolverine as a weapon and sends him hurling though darkseid as many times as he wants. same with colossus.

Wolverine stabs away, gambit charges iceman(who can alter his size) to make him a living bomb JUST like during fear itself when he did it to rockslide.

[xLEGACYx]

@xman4life

Listen to yourself. The Justice League fought Darkseid together and could barely do anything to him. They didnt defeat him, they pushed him into a boom tube by sheer luck that Cyborg was able to open. Even after the event yborg was still having trouble using the tech he was made of. It was pure comic mechanics that the boom tube was even opened to begin with. Even then it took all 7 of the league to just get him into the portal. We also dont know yet if it was even darkseid or an avatar. My assumption would be it was an avatar because it didnt ramble on about why he was there. Also at the same time, Earth 2 was invaded by a darkseid and parademons.

While the X-Men are strong I dont know if they will be enough help for the JL to actually defeat Darkseid.

[sirmethos]

"gambit makes his mother or armor explode"

1. If Gambit could actually charge Darkseid's motherbox(which I assume is what you are referring to), the motherbox would simply absorb the energy.

2. If Gambit actually got close enough to charge anything on Darkseid(i.e. close enough to touch it), he would be pounded into paste by Darkseid, who is considerably faster than Gambit, and strong enough to make Gambit to *splat* with a single punch.

Unless of course, you have a scan(or issue) of Gambit charging something from a distance, after he lost his full potential(after the fight with the New Son).

[xman4life]

@xman4life

Listen to yourself. The Justice League fought Darkseid together and could barely do anything to him. They didnt defeat him, they pushed him into a boom tube by sheer luck that Cyborg was able to open. Even after the event yborg was still having trouble using the tech he was made of. It was pure comic mechanics that the boom tube was even opened to begin with. Even then it took all 7 of the league to just get him into the portal. We also dont know yet if it was even darkseid or an avatar. My assumption would be it was an avatar because it didnt ramble on about why he was there. Also at the same time, Earth 2 was invaded by a darkseid and parademons.

While the X-Men are strong I dont know if they will be enough help for the JL to actually defeat Darkseid.

ok legacy or to anyone else are we(by we im saying anyone who reads x-men) really are going to saythey couldn't fair at same as the justice league against Darkseid?
your telling me magneto couldn't do anything? his feats alone should put him in the "hurt darkseid"category
your telling me colossus won't do anything?
your telling me rogue and hope with everyones powers won't be able to do anything to darkseid?

and again im NOT saying x-men fairs better im NOT saying x-men win im asking with the powers that the x-men has that they wouldn't fair any better?

when it comes to this site i really feel a lack of respect for the x-men as if they aren't even on the same calibur as the avengers or the justice league. and when i bring them up it's "oh your a fan boy" even when i'm NOT voting on them to win, I ask questions to honestly see where peoples mindsets are?

I'm like have you seen juggs(and i can use juggs because colossus is JUST as powerful)feats?
magneto feats?
the fact that gambit can charge things and magneto controls metal couldn't(since they are in the city)have an ENDLESS supply of items to use? or couldn't wolverine be uses as a weapon himself?

[sirmethos]

You seem to have either missed, or ignored, my challenge/question. @xman4life

[xman4life]

im sorry i did miss it. but no i havent seen him do it from a distance since then so you might be correct. but what of what I said about them standing a chance.

[force_echo]

For being such a tactical genius, it seems Darkseid got outmaneuvered pretty handily.