18 replies to this topic

[LoneWolf]

C'mon he was beaten by Thor alone.. The only reason he had swarms of cannon fodder is so that the zero power human Avengers would have something to do other than stand there and look stupid.

Think of how horribly the X Men would have defeated Loki. Supposedly the Avengers are supposed to be > the X Men...

Bottom line: Loki is comic relief at best, he needs to be summoning demons, turning the members against each other with illusions *IN BATTLE* and generally being more awesome and worthy of a challenge.

[xLEGACYx]

Are you talking comic or movie wise?

[Shoggoth breeder]

I'm guessing movie wise.

[Delta Force]

God ideas for any other movies he appears in but for now I'm enjoying my sig.

[LoneWolf]

Are you talking comic or movie wise?

Movie wise.

[Nova Force Nova]

No. Just no.

[LoneWolf]

No. Just no.

Uhh yes!

Captain America damn near soloed him... That is a poor showing for a 'God', to say the absolute least.

[Ruinus]

Why do people throw about the word "god" as if it actually means something? From the movie setting of Marvel they are just called "gods" because it looks like they influenced early mankind, but it's not like they are immortal or all powerful, they are simply above human ability and wielded technology that looked susupiciously like magic.

[comic_book_fan]

Why do people throw about the word "god" as if it actually means something? From the movie setting of Marvel they are just called "gods" because it looks like they influenced early mankind, but it's not like they are immortal or all powerful, they are simply above human ability and wielded technology that looked susupiciously like magic.

i have been saying this for years i hate the thor wins because he is a god arguement.

[sirmethos]

He should(physically) be boosted. But that's about it. He doesn't need any enhancements in his magical powers.
Asgardians(and Frost Giants) are, on average, at 20+ tons of strength.

[Ruinus]

I also don't remember Captain America nearly beating Loki by himself. If we're talking about that first battle in Germany then Loki was winning.

[Nova Force Nova]

Uhh yes!

Captain America damn near soloed him... That is a poor showing for a 'God', to say the absolute least.

Cap did not nearly solo him anywhere in the movie.

[Ruinus]

The idea that Loki was comic relief in the Avengers movie doesn't hold water either, since the beginning scenes of the movie show that he isn't, as does the whole seqeuence of events aboard the Heli-carrier. Yes, Loki was more or less defeated without a giant 10 minute battle (Thor fighting him atop Stark Tower followed by Hulk hurling him about) but that's more due to the fact that he was outclassed by Hulk and Thor, not that he's comic relief.

He's a dangerous and cunning man... who just happened to accidentally go up against a team he wasn't prepared to handle. That was the whole point of Stark's threat to him. He missed off a group of superheroes and in the end they'd come for him, there was no scenario where he would sit on a throne and everything would be fine. He'd lose, it was guaranteed.

[Redemption X]

Why do people throw about the word "god" as if it actually means something? From the movie setting of Marvel they are just called "gods" because it looks like they influenced early mankind, but it's not like they are immortal or all powerful, they are simply above human ability and wielded technology that looked susupiciously like magic.

Like the New Gods of DC. I guess Loki is supposed to be in the same level as Orion, Barda or Lightray.

[LoneWolf]

He was flat out comic relief. He should have teleported out of Hulk's reach and mocked the dim-witted brute. Or cast an illusion or other spell making him untouchable.He presented no threat to the Avengers... *Spoiler* The only real threat was the U.S. Government's uncharacteristic willingness to sacrifice an entire city to ....save it from being destroyed (???).

Hopefully Thanos will be an actual challenge. Then again, this Avengers team isn't their heartiest incarnation.

[The Rookie]

The reason why Loki was "de powered" is simple: Loki was a plot device. A finely acted fully fleshed out plot device but a plot device none the less.

He was made threatening enough to cause SHIELD to call upon them. However story wise he (and his non nondescript totally lame alien army) were made bland so the focus was on the Avengers. To me the story was designed very much like the Star Trek reboot (oddly both written by people who have mostly been involved in TV, Joss Whedon and JJ Abrams respectively.) The villain exists but is ultimately not made to be terribly interesting nor terribly difficult to defeat. Why? Because this is the first movie about a group dynamic and what's more gripping is seeing "the band come together" and them working out their group dynamic. The main attraction is seeing the Avengers work together, bicker, banter and interact, not in seeing them overcome Loki per se.

[LoneWolf]

Makes sense. The alien army was very underwhelming, I agree.

[Ruinus]

When the aliens appeared I immediatly though Locust from Gears of War, moreso when that giant snake whale flying thing appeared and smashed a few buildings. It took all my willpower to not yell out "They're sinking cities with a giant worm!" in the theatre.

[Omega11]

C'mon he was beaten by Thor alone..

It's funny, my brother had this complaint before the movie was even released: how Loki get's beaten by Thor so he can't be a threat to all of the Avengers together.

And yet as an alternative he suggested the Red Skull...