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Posted 10 May 2012 - 03:13 PM

Ive been a huge wrestling fan since 1992, and when I became a state wrestling champion in 2004, it was inspired 2 years earlier by the accomplishments of Brock Lesnar himself. So pro-wrestling has always held a special place in my heart...

That being said, I HATE John Cena! As any longtime wrestling fan will probibly tell you, Cena is everything that is wrong with the WWE today! He cant wrestle, he can barely act, and is shoved down our throats for the soul purpose of selling toys to kiddys. Even though he is a "Babyface" he is boo'd by half the WWE's fanbase who can see through his very unrelatible character. His loss to The Rock was a great move by WWE, but having him beat Lesnar at Extreme Rules was a TERRIBLE move by the WWE. It brought back the hated "Super Cena" and made the returning Brock Lesnar not only lose interest, but also killed his gimmick as an Ass Kicker. Having the annoying Superman-like boyscout defeat the former UFC Champion in his 1st match back in 8 years was possibly the biggest mistake WWE has made all year (I would go farther back, but WWE makes big mistakes every other month). Brock not only should have beaten Cena, but he should have curb stomped him. It would have killed off the same crapy Cena character weve seen for the past 7 years and it would have given him room to grow... Classic WWE f*** up.

I also hate that for the past 3 PPVs Cena has main evented... While the WWE Champion CM Punk has played 2nd fiddle. Showing that not only does WWE not respect the more talented Punk as much as they do Super Cena, they dont even respect the Title that has represented the brand for over 50 years as much as they do the piece of crap, John Cena.

Cena sucks!

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 03:20 PM

TNA is all I've been watching lately since our subscription to the sports channels ran out... I missed the return of Brock Lesnar... boo...

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 03:28 PM

My favorite match: Kurt Angle vs HBK at WrestleMania 21.

My favorite current stars: John Hennigan, Brian Danielson (I refuse to use his WWE name), CM Punk, Brock Lesnar, Tyson Kidd, and Kurt Angle.

My most memorible show: Starrcade 1997 Hogan vs Sting. My parents took me for my b-day in DC.

I used to do small indy shows in Macomb and Peoria when I was 18, (soon after joining EF). I still do some small showings here and there when givin the chance. I even met former WCW wrestler Lash Leroux at an event in Macomb, when he was covering the matches for an article. He said our match got a 4.5/5 that night! The article will hang on my fridge forever! Lol.

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 06:32 PM

Smarks are hilarious.

John Cena consistently has great matches with everyone he's put up against. Consistently. The man can work with anyone. He had a good match with Khali. Freaking Khali. I don't think anyone is about to argue Khali did the carrying. Cena's matches all have a big time feel to them. The man is the biggest star in WWE for a reason, and that's because he's awesome. Because, believe it or not, pro wrestling isn't about 'work rate' or anything like that. It's about entertaining people. And Cena does that. I'm not a great fan of the character and his promos do seem a little forced at times, but the man always presents himself as a star, and he feels like a star. His matches are great - there's nothing wrong with Super Cena. His role is the same role Hogan filled in the eighties, he fills it well and he looks great doing it.

As for Cena/Lesnar? Did you watch the match? Cena won a fluke victory by playing smart, Brock dominated the entire match, totally wrecked him. Lesnar came out looking like a killing machine, Cena came out looking like a man who'll never give in and play it smart if he needs to. The match was perfect. Keep in mind that Lesnar's contract only gives him a few dates to work in the year, he's very part time and he'll be gone next year. WWE can't afford to have him kill everyone on the roster.

That said, I enjoy CM Punk and Daniel Bryan (Bryan more so). But the reason Punk is taking a back seat is because he simply doesn't have Cena's star power, and you cant blame WWE for that. They've pushed him to the moon and made him look good in feuds with John Cena and Triple H, their two biggest stars (save the Undertaker).

Bryan is much more likely to move up to their level, I think. He's super over right now and he's a brilliant heel.

By the way, this all comes from someone with actual wresting experience (Proof(!): http://www.wrestling...&wrestler=15351 ), trained at one of the most respected schools in his country, knows what it means to be a pro wrestler, knows pro wrestlers up and down the country (anyone who's got me can just take a gander through my Facebook friends list and see that) and has had training sessions with Bryan Danielson and Nigel McGuinness. I'll be wrestling again next year if my University schedule frees up like I expect it too.

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 12:32 AM

Smarks are hilarious. John Cena consistently has great matches with everyone he's put up against. Consistently. The man can work with anyone. He had a good match with Khali. Freaking Khali. I don't think anyone is about to argue Khali did the carrying. Cena's matches all have a big time feel to them. The man is the biggest star in WWE for a reason, and that's because he's awesome. Because, believe it or not, pro wrestling isn't about 'work rate' or anything like that. It's about entertaining people. And Cena does that. I'm not a great fan of the character and his promos do seem a little forced at times, but the man always presents himself as a star, and he feels like a star. His matches are great - there's nothing wrong with Super Cena. His role is the same role Hogan filled in the eighties, he fills it well and he looks great doing it. As for Cena/Lesnar? Did you watch the match? Cena won a fluke victory by playing smart, Brock dominated the entire match, totally wrecked him. Lesnar came out looking like a killing machine, Cena came out looking like a man who'll never give in and play it smart if he needs to. The match was perfect. Keep in mind that Lesnar's contract only gives him a few dates to work in the year, he's very part time and he'll be gone next year. WWE can't afford to have him kill everyone on the roster. That said, I enjoy CM Punk and Daniel Bryan (Bryan more so). But the reason Punk is taking a back seat is because he simply doesn't have Cena's star power, and you cant blame WWE for that. They've pushed him to the moon and made him look good in feuds with John Cena and Triple H, their two biggest stars (save the Undertaker). Bryan is much more likely to move up to their level, I think. He's super over right now and he's a brilliant heel. By the way, this all comes from someone with actual wresting experience (Proof(!): http://www.wrestling...;wrestler=15351 ), trained at one of the most respected schools in his country, knows what it means to be a pro wrestler, knows pro wrestlers up and down the country (anyone who's got me can just take a gander through my Facebook friends list and see that) and has had training sessions with Bryan Danielson and Nigel McGuinness. I'll be wrestling again next year if my University schedule frees up like I expect it too.

Im not a smark, Im a traditional wrestling fan who knows an overrated piece of garbage when I see it.


1.) Cena's match with Khali was god awful. Slow paced, only about 3 actual wrestling moves pulled off, and the moves sold worse than G-strings at a yard sale. A horrible match between two of the worst in-ring performers WWE has shat out in the past 10 years. I respect these guys, but to say their match was anything better that absolute crap shows that you as a wrestling fan will buy pretty much anything.

2.) Cena is only the biggest star in the WWE, because WWE wants him to be. Dont believe me? The said the same crap about Hogan, Austin, The Rock, HBK, and Brock Lesnar. What happened when all those guys left? WWE replaced them. Cena is not a huge star. He's very replacible. Cena is what WWE wants him to be, nothing more. He has not an ounce more talent than any other superstar on the roster. Honestly chants of "CM Punk" and "Yes!" are far more likely to echo through out an arena than "Cena" chants are. In fact, whenever there is a Cena chant, it is quickly shatered by a "Cena Sucks" chant. The fans are sick of him, and have been for years! The guy is stale, and we're sick of the same super hero combacks week after week, year after year! Why does he sell high? Because WWE throws his face on EVERYTHING! To give WWE the "good role-model" image while Linda McMahon does politics. Cena is WWE's groomed golden boy. Nothing more. Sure he can put on a "good" match (if givin a talented opponet), but for a guy who is shoved down the fans throat as much as he is, he's complete crap.

3.) Im not saying Lesnar needs to kill everyone on the roster, but to lose his big comback to a man who has won 95% of the matches he's been in through out the past 7 years is ignorant. There was so many more reasons to have Lesnar win rather than lose that it makes my head spin. They only signed him to a 1 year contract that cost WWE $5,000,000! They want to build him up as a badass, and yet they have him lose his first match back directly after 2 hard UFC losses and his final WWE match in 2004 being another loss. That Cena match made him look like a joke and a natural loser. There was no point in having Cena win, that couldnt be over shadowed by a more logical reason that Lesnar should have won.

This is coming from someone with actual wrestling experience as well. So dont talk to me like a fanboy. You may get me on comic books, but when it comes to wrestling I know my s***.

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 08:27 AM

You seriously think anyone would look at the Brock Lesnar match and think he was a loser. Lesner killed him, Cena had to use underhanded tactics to win. Cena, the babyface, had to use underhanded tactics to beat Lesnar, the heel, who'd been dominating him the entire match. Lesnar came out of the match looking better than Cena. The booking was perfect. Remember the Stone Cold/Bret Hart match at Mania? What do people remember about it? That Hart won, or that Austin refused to give up? It's a similar thing here. People will remember the beat down.

And a good match isn't about the number of moves(!) you do. For one thing, every wrestler has the infamous 5 moves of doom. It's called a move set, and a good wrestler get's their shit in every match that isn't a squash. For another, it's about connecting to an audience and getting people emotionally invested. Give me Ryback squashing jobbers over a ridiculously long ROH match in which everyone no sells everything any day. Cena does that. Watch the Lesnar match. He got a hostile Chicago crowd cheering for him with well timed hope spots and brilliant selling. The character had gotten stale, yes, but the matches have been great and recently his character and mike work have been improving also.

They replaced them? They couldn't replace Hogan until Austin came around - Hart and Michaels, much as I love both of them, never had the same star power. They didn't replace the Rock and Austin until Wrestlemania 21, with Batista and Cena. Cena has an aura and you can't say the only reason for that has been the WWE's promotion. Cena's rapper gimmick, that origionally got him over, was all down to him. Look at how hard they tried with Mr Kennedy - that went nowhere because he's just not that good and can't seem to wrestle any match without picking up an injury. Cena's awesome whenever he has a hostile crowd, because he doesn't let them put him off and plays to them. Look at the One Night Stand match against RVD, he's brilliant. Also this:

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'm not a massive Cena fan, he's far from my favourite and given the choice I'd rather watch Lesnar. But damn, he's good.



Anyway, to make a new point: Y'all need to watch more classic Ric Flair.

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 10:46 AM

John Cena use to be fun and entertaining. Watch him back in 2004 to 2007 which were his best years. John Cena was hated and still is because his gimmeck has grown stale. We are in 2012 the Hulk Hogan lite gimmeck is not good for this era and thats why before Brock Lesner came he had started going down a bad path which is why WWE had to do something quick.

Brock Lesner in a way saved Cena because Brock is so damn great as a heel he turned Cena completely face again. Cena needed someone like Brock to turn him face again. John Cena needed to be completely destroyed in the match but barely get a win to win over the crowd. It was perfect actually. Brock looked extremely good as a monster heel and Cena is a face people love again because they want to see him win this war against Brock.

By the way Daniel Bryan vs CM Punk at this upcoming PPV for the title is going to be a awesome match and feud.

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 03:46 PM

i am more of cm punk and HHH fan than lesnar or cena.
i thought anderson was good yeah he got hurt alot but so did orton and they didn't fire him.
i mostly watch tna waiting for sting to come back but it's great rvd is there while sting is gone.
i hope rock vs brock 2 happens so rock can get some redemption for loseing to brock.

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 10:30 PM

John Cena use to be fun and entertaining. Watch him back in 2004 to 2007 which were his best years. John Cena was hated and still is because his gimmeck has grown stale. We are in 2012 the Hulk Hogan lite gimmeck is not good for this era and thats why before Brock Lesner came he had started going down a bad path which is why WWE had to do something quick. Brock Lesner in a way saved Cena because Brock is so damn great as a heel he turned Cena completely face again. Cena needed someone like Brock to turn him face again. John Cena needed to be completely destroyed in the match but barely get a win to win over the crowd. It was perfect actually. Brock looked extremely good as a monster heel and Cena is a face people love again because they want to see him win this war against Brock. By the way Daniel Bryan vs CM Punk at this upcoming PPV for the title is going to be a awesome match and feud.

Agreed on the Punk/Danielson match. Theyre two of the best in the business today for sure... I agree with the "Hulk Hogan Lite" comment, in fact thats why I hate modern Cena. Dont get me wrong, I dont hate John Cena as a person, but the Super Cena gimmick got old in lat 2005. I will admit that I was once part of the "ChainGang". Ive seen Cena since his first match against Angle in '02, and I way always a big fan of the Doctor of Thuganomics, but after WrestleMania 21 when he was drafted to RAW he almost instantly tried to be the "new" Hulk Hogan. I hated that as a Hogan fan, because in this day and age, that gimmick is stupid. Why is it different when Hogan did it? Because he invented the Super Wrestler gimmick, and he had the look, the size, and the attitude. The only credit Cena can really take for charisma is what the writers tell him to say. As 2003 Cena, it showed true guts and talent for him to remember his rap lines on the way to the ring. All he's really said for the past 7 years is, "Never give up!" and "Never back down!". It doesnt take a wrestling historian to see that his catch phraises are the modern day "Train, take your vitamins, and say your prayers". Hogan has my respect for revolutionizing the wrestling industry. I hate John Cena's guts (kayfabe), because he isnt doing anything new. He's trying to be Hulk Hogan. His rapper gimmick was funner, more innovative, and more controversial. Modern day Cena... has been saying the same crap for 7 years. We get it John. You never give up. Im not saying he's hopeless. Im just saying he's been a broken record for the last 7 years, and his gimmick is complete crap.

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Cena's move list: Shoulder block (x3), Spin-out powerbomb, 5 Knuckle Shuffle, AA, STF. If its a $60 PPV, he may even throw in a 6th move... yay.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 05:02 AM

That's not his move set, that's his set comeback. Shawn Michaels has one. Triple H has one. The Rock has one. Hulk Hogan had one. The way matches are usually structured, a babyface usually will use less moves in a match than the heel.

Yes, Cena had gotten stale (in spite of his matches continuing to be awesome). Until he met the Rock. Cena more than held his own in those promos, and his delivery was excellent. Delivery is more important than what the writers wrote for him, and his delivery has always been good. With the Rock, he showed real emotion and talent.

It's cool to not like Cena. It's all opinion on that front. It's not cool to say he's untalented, or any less talented than other guys on the roster.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 09:59 AM

Thats the thing that makes everyone even more angry at Cena. We know Cena can wrestle good (His hour long match with Shawn Michaels on that Raw was excellent) and cut great promos. However until Rock or even that match with CM Punk last year Cena was obviously phoning it in.

I'm glad Cena losing in this storyline and is being broken down. Its gone help his character and give him a sort of reboot to start over new in a way as a Face.

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 04:34 AM

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Anyway, to contribute more to the topic than just bragging about winning my first championship:

On the topic of Brock and Cena. In the ring, I no doubt like Brock Lesnar better. He's crap on the mic, but he has talent in the ring. As far as I'm concerned with Cena, he's a really good wrestler (go back and watch his matches before he had his brake out match against JBL) he's just too set in his routine and WWE wants to play it safe and doesn't want him going too far out of his 5 moves of doom for... whatever reason. Anyway, Cena's mic skills are also pretty good, but again I don't think he really gets enough time to shine because he has to be the golden boy. Behind the scenes it's obvious who cares more. Cena's one of the most dedicated workers WWE has right now and from that perspective he has earned his spot as the face of WWE. Lesnar, is in it for a pay check and to feed his ego.

As for the match itself, I'm happy it went how it went. Brock got to shine as the power house that he is and dominated the match. But if he had won, it would have been a HUGE let down from a story perspective. The fact is, a good match tells a good story. This one basically said that, John Cena, Wrestling's Superman, met a force he just could not stop (AKA: wrestling's Doomsday) and had to play a little dirty to win.

To answer the question of favorites:

My favorite wrestler of all time is Chris Benoit. I don't want to get into personal feelings about him as a person or what happened. Without bringing that into the conversation, and focusing solely on his work in the ring, he was, without a doubt one of the best performers of all time.

My favorite current wrestler is CM Punk. Two notable runners up are, Chris Jericho and Bryan Daniels (AKA Daniel Bryan). I'm stopping there, because there's plenty of other wrestlers who I could call "favorites".

As far as favorite matches, I have to say Chris Benoit vs Shawn Micheals vs HHH at Wrestlemania (some number that I can't exactly remember). And again, I don't want to spend forever going over ever match that I'd call a favorite. But I will mention that Shames and John Morrison put on one hell of a ladder match last year that took my respect for both men to a whole new level.

That's all I'll say for now, I'll be back with plenty more to say when it's not 3:30 in the morning.

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 06:00 AM

Lost 7 pounds of fat over the last week, and have been working on building muscle too.

Why?

I miss wrestling damn it. I plan to get back to training on Saturday and hopefully re-learn the craft and re-earn my spot on the roster. Got some bloody stiff competition these days though, the roster currently has some of the best in the country and has started bringing in American Ring of Honour stars.



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Posted 09 June 2012 - 03:17 PM

And I got back into training today. (Huzzah!)

Let's see how long it takes before I work my way back onto the roster.

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 12:08 AM

And I got back into training today. (Huzzah!)

Let's see how long it takes before I work my way back onto the roster.


Best of luck to you. Can't wait to hear how it goes.

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 11:21 AM

Thanks! :D

In other news, watched Slammiversary last night. When did TNA stop being shit and become awesome again?

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Posted 19 August 2012 - 06:08 PM

Right, off to bed before I spend the next week being battered by former Ring of Honour champion Davey Richards. Wish me luck in a training course that will inevitably feature a lot of pain and more squats than should be legally allowed.

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Posted 24 August 2012 - 04:29 PM

That was a brilliant if painful week. Davey Richards is the best technical wrestler in the world and my own technical knowledge has expanded ten fold. I learned so much, and my cardio and workout regime has become a hell of a lot better. Fucking brilliant week.


Painful as fuck though. Walking after training was hard. First thing we did on Monday was 500 squats and shit just got harder from there.

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Posted 11 September 2012 - 01:30 PM

anybody here about king.

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Posted 11 September 2012 - 04:43 PM

Here about King? Why would we be here about King? But yeah, horrible what happened. It may be the end of his in ring career. He's very lucky this happened at a WWE show with paramedics backstage, and not one of the indy bookings he takes in Memphis throughout the week.





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