exactly my point plus without the symbiote he was a SERIAL KILLER IN THE FIRST PLACE
Ok..explain HOW Carnage beats him then? Lets give a few examples of my stand as to why he would not and you come up with your stand as to why he would since you are convinced.
Strength-Yes Ultimate C is way stronger than the other one however still not strong enough to overpower Jugg in a slugout. Again even as his max level Juggs has him in power so brawling isn't going to get it done...
Speed-Juggs can't move as fast as he can. So Carnage has him here yet with Juggs being virtually impervious to most physical attacks what good will that do Carnage outside of getting in a few hits that Juggs can't? Still with Carnage's BEST shot you are talking about a guy who's stood down the Hulk and Carnage, though strong in this form still isn't on Juggs level..
Smarts- neither one of these guys are tacticians to say the least, so there won't be a lot of logical reasoning going on and surely no math being worked out to figure out how to beat one another so here we have a stalemate for the most part. Even if Carnage is smarter roughly whats' he going to do that would allow him a way to think of how to beat Juggs? He can't.
Force Field-Juggs can generate a force field that Carnage can't break. So if he wanted to he'd stand there all day long or walk on as Carnage tried and tried and got nothing...
Overall to be fair the only way I can REMOTELY see Carnage taking this is IF and only IF he was able to get some of those alien tendrils down the throat or in the eyes of Juggs to probably hurt him internally yet during Excalibur Juggs showed how fast he can heal due to the gem...so even if Carnage could do that he'd heal from it ..
No way Carnage can stop him...
Now...your turn? How am i wrong?