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#21 sirmethos

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 08:37 AM

"No, Darkseid can't Kill Buu, he doesn't have the power to totally break up his atoms."

Uh, yes he can.

Darkseid is capable of erasing a being from existence. I.e. not only are they destroyed on a sub-atomic level, they never existed in the first place.


"Super Buu is more powerful than Darkseid"

Oh really? I suppose you have something to back up that claim?

Buu's powers are limited to Transmutation, Controlling his own body, and raw destructive power, as well as absorbing other beings.

Darkseid(aside from the physical capabilities), is capable of Telepathy(powerful enough to affect an entire planet), Telekinesis(powerful enough to move a planet), Matter Manipulation, Molecular Disintegration, Avatar Creation(essentially copies of his own body, with slightly less raw power than his own), Energy Manipulation, Teleportation(anywhere in the universe, across dimensional walls, i.e. to other dimensions), Time Travel, Controlling his own body(size, density, and mass), Empowerment(i.e. can give other people new powers, or increase the raw power of the ones they already have), Life Creation, Life Manipulation(can devolve lifeforms, among other things).

And on top of all that, he has the Omega Blast.


Darkseid has multiple ways with which he could easily kill Buu(Molecular Disintegration, Matter Manipulation, Telekinesis, Time Travel, Avatar Creation, just to mention a few).

Any energy attack that Buu uses, will be turned back on himself(energy manipulation).

Darkseid could also mentally control Buu, and make him kill himself.


"and couldn't be hurt by him because he's a creature of magic afterall"

He was hurt by Goku/Vegito just fine, despite neither Goku nor Vegito being magical.

Besides, Darkseid has managed to hurt Spectre, who is a creature of magic as well(and a far more powerful one than Buu could ever hope to be).


"he Omega Beam he would dodge or it would pass right through him."

That's true, and I already pointed that out. However, as I also pointed out, if Buu uses his usual method for powerful enemies(i.e. absorbing them), on Darkseid, then Buu is no longer capable of dodging the blast, or avoiding getting hit by it, since Darkseid is inside him.

"DS is in for a long battle..."

Also true, unless Buu absorbs Darkseid, and I already pointed that out as well.


"he'd get turned to choclate or flat out devastated."

Not so much. As I already pointed out, he(buu) can't turn Darkseid into chocolate, due to the Motherbox(and that's not counting Darkseid's own matter manipulation that could prevent it as well), and he is not powerful enough to flat out kill him.


"Again no need to make your attacks personal methos..."

The only thing I have said, that has even partially been meant as a "personal attack", was my last edit. I.e. that you would either ignore all of my points, or not post again. And since you have done just that, more than once, it was not so much an attack, as a probable prediction.

Especially since I was right, and you did ignore most, if not all, of the points I made.


"Again you can ignore my posts like some have done or just accept the fact that I have a right to my own opinion."

1. I have so far, not ignored any of the posts you have made in a debate that I am taking part in.

and 2. I already said that you're allowed to have your own opinion. As I already said, there are absolutely no rules against being wrong.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 10:25 AM

I am not wrong, you just think i am because of your opinion thats all. I am not wrong. Who knows what would REALLY happen? This is why you don't deal with reality. You THINK that such and such would happen. DS never fought anything like Super Buu. So Again, I am not wrong to think he would win. Dude you need to seriously get over yourself. You aren't god methos, you aren't right about all things man. Just accept the fact that I don't care if you spout facts all day long, these are opinions all day long and we all have a right to say what we feel. You feel I am wrong then enjoy yourself and your ego dude just do it. You want to walk around as if you are the smartest person in the world hey feel good, do you thing. I am happy for you, just accept and respect other people and how they feel is all. You can't let it go. You aren't going to change my view, Super BUU is on this guys level. you can't prove he s not you can't predict what would REALLY happen because none of us know truly! So hey...I think Buu woudl really give DS too many problems. I can live with that and you can't..good man...enjoy your coffee. Have fun!

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 10:39 AM

Here is a DBZ fanboy to come in and say Darkseid kills/defeats/obliterates Buu. I agree with Anu saying Buu is going to put a serious hurting on Darkseid. But that's all he's going to do, in the end DS has way to many powers and abilities for Buu to overcome. I would have said Buu's "turn to chocolate"-beam would seal the deal, but with the motherbox negating it Buu has nothing left but Ki blasts and malee attacks (Painful but nothing DS couldn't walk away from). While on the other hand Darkseid has an obscene number of ways to deal with Buu, my favorite being the omega beams/blast, that he could hit Buu with by reaping him in a spiral of the beam itself or simply ous

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 10:52 AM

The only one biased in regards to DBZ here is you Anu.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 10:59 AM

You can drive a car with your feet if you want to. It doesn't make it a good *vulgarity*ing idea! I think Pikachu can beat Galactus. It's my opinio., but it's wrong. You're entitled to your opinion and we're allowed to tell you it's wrong. Also, Methos didn't attack you once or make fun of you or anything but you do it to him? Grow up Peter Pan *vulgarity*ing Count Chocula.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 11:06 AM

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"You THINK that such and such would happen."

Not so much, no. I consider the various possible ways it could go, and all the possible outcomes(in this particular fight) leads to Darkseid winning.

Why is that? Because Buu is not capable of anything that would actually kill, or incapacitate, Darkseid(if you think I am wrong about that, then feel free to give some examples of exactly how Buu could kill, or incapacitate him).


"DS never fought anything like Super Buu."

That depends on what you mean by "anything like Super Buu".

A magical creature? Darkseid has fought, and defeated, several of those. Including demons powerful enough to destroy a planet with ease, and Elder Gods.

Someone with Buu's raw destructive power? Again, Demons, Elder Gods, High Father, and more. Still nothing that Darkseid hasn't faced, and defeated, in the past.

So, what exactly do you mean?


"So Again, I am not wrong to think he would win."

Yes, yes you are. Because, as I already mentioned, Buu is incapable of actually killing, or incapacitating, Darkseid, which he would have to do in order to win.


"Dude you need to seriously get over yourself. You aren't god methos, you aren't right about all things man."

I never claimed to be god, and I've never claimed to be right about everything. In fact, I have on numerous occasions, said that I am always willing to be swayed by facts and/or proof. If you really think I'm wrong, no problem, just put up some proof of your claims, or come up with some logical argument for why you're right. So far, you have presented neither.


"Just accept the fact that I don't care if you spout facts all day long, these are opinions all day long and we all have a right to say what we feel."

No, these are not "opinions". This is logic.

Is Buu capable of killing or incapacitating Darkseid? Looking at the capabilities of the two, the answer is no. If Buu can't kill or incapacitate Darkseid, then he can't win the fight.


"You feel I am wrong then enjoy yourself and your ego dude just do it."

No, I know you're wrong. And there is no ego, as said, if you can actually provide some proof to back up your claims, then I am more than willing to be convinced, but once again, you haven't provided any kind of proof.


"You aren't going to change my view, Super BUU is on this guys level."

Oh really?

Buu is capable of creating life?

Buu is capable of Time Travel?

Buu is capable of Telepathy, powerful enough to affect an entire planet?

Buu is capable of creating advanced technology out of thing air?

Buu is capable of erasing en opponent from existence, to the point where the opponent never existed?

Buu is capable of physically moving a planet, by the sheer force of his mind?

If the answer to even 1 of those is "no", then no, he is not on Darkseid's level.


If you honestly believe that Buu is on Darkseid's level, then at least give some justification for it. As said, if you can actually back your claims up with proof, then I'm more than willing to be convinced.


"You can't prove he s not"

I already did.

It's a simple matter of listing their respective capabilities, and comparing them. In this case, Buu falls sorely short.


"you can't predict what would REALLY happen because none of us know truly!"

Partially true. I can't predict the specific course of action, but I can predict the eventual outcome. Again, it's a simple matter of comparing the capabilities of the two characters, with the added factor of their personalities(Darkseid's first general course of action, is to launch his Omega Blast, in order to erase his opponent from existence. Buu is generally arrogant, and has been shown in the DBZ Manga, to allow his opponents initial attacks to hit him, unless he senses that they are powerful enough to destroy him, which he wouldn't in this case. End result, Buu attempts to tank the Omega Blast, and is erased from existence. Just one possible course of action).

And every single possible course of action, ends with Darkseid winning. Why? Because Buu is incapable of anything that would kill or incapacitate Darkseid.


"So hey...I think Buu woudl really give DS too many problems."

Depending on the course of action, Buu could give Darkseid problems(primarily due to his far superior speed), but giving him problems, is not even close to being the same as winning. Something that Buu is not capable of in this particular fight.


"I can live with that and you can't..good man..."

Not true. As I've already said, I have no problem with people having their own opinion, there is no rules or laws of any kind, against being wrong. But if you post your opinion on an open forum, you're going to be corrected when/if you are wrong. If you can't live with that, then don't post in the matches, it's not that difficult.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 12:26 PM

Good points being made and I think Sirmethos has valid points.
1. Darkseid can teleport Buu somewhere else, but you guys forgot that he knows IT and would come back. And if it's in another time then he would scream his way back
2. How is the motherbox going to help if Buu just simply blows up the planet Apokolips?
3. How me where Buu has gotten mind controlled, or even if telepathy or tk would work, when he controls his body better than Apocalypse does? Until it has been shown don't bring that up?
4. buutenks with Gohan is far superior to Ssj3 in terms of power and speed let alone energy
5. The chocolate thing is lame
6. Buu's martial arts skills mixed with Gohan and Piccolo's mind would make it so he's not as arrogant, which would prove valuable

No need to fight Anu or name call Sirmethos both have good points

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 12:55 PM

1. No, I didn't forget that Buu knows IT. Buu can 'scream' his way through dimensional walls, not through time, so using the Omega Sanction to send him through time would be more than enough. And even if it was to another dimension, he would first have to know where to go, in order to get back.

2. At which point did I say that the Motherbox would help against that? The Motherbox would only be of help against Buu's attempt at turning Darkseid into chocolate(or something else), or when he absorbs him.

3. Mind control is/would be Buu's willpower vs. Darkseid's willpower. That's not even a contest. As for TK, it would depend on how it's used. TK can could be used to rip him apart on a sub-atomic level, in which case Buu would no longer be able to regenerate(that's the same level of destruction that the Kamehameha that destroy him did on him). Aside from that, it could be used to trap him inside a force field(TK bubble). Probably not indefinitely, but long enough for an Omega Blast to hit him.

4. I know, what does that have to do with anything?

5. Not really. It's a technique that Buu has used on more than one occasion.

6. Buu, in this match, doesn't necessarily have neither Gohan or Piccolo absorbed. We would need a statement from the Match Creator about that. And arrogance or no arrogance, one of his main strategies against powerful opponents, is still to absorb them, and if he does that with Darkseid, then he has lost right there.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 12:57 PM

1. Darkseid can teleport Buu somewhere else, but you guys forgot that he knows IT and would come back. And if it's in another time then he would scream his way back.

Buu's best bet would be be to not get hit at all. If that happens then he as a way to maybe deal with the teleporting, but what if Darkseid used it to simply wipe him from existance, or break him appart down to the molecular level?

2. How is the motherbox going to help if Buu just simply blows up the planet Apokolips?

If Buu did that, assuming that Darkseid did not just use his own matter/energy control abilities to stop it, Darkseid would still be there and even more pissed off.

3. How me where Buu has gotten mind controlled, or even if telepathy or tk would work, when he controls his body better than Apocalypse does? Until it has been shown don't bring that up?

Why would telepathy not work, where is your proof that is does not work. He has a mind, even if no brain, so his mind can be controlled.

4. buutenks with Gohan is far superior to Ssj3 in terms of power and speed let alone energy

So?

5. The chocolate thing is lame

Yes, you are correct on that one.

6. Buu's martial arts skills mixed with Gohan and Piccolo's mind would make it so he's not as arrogant, which would prove valuable.

That would still not give him the ability to win.

It comes down to this:

Buu can not matter control Darkseid because of both the Motherbox and his own better matter control.

Buu can not use his energy blasts because Darkseid has better energy control and would just stop it.

Buu can not beat him physically because he is simply not powerful enough. He is definitely fast enough to land hits, it is just that those hits will not be strong enough to beat Darkseid.

Logic has spoken.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 01:03 PM

Amazing how this did not take off until I got in here. Wow..a thread isnt a thread unless I get in it. Then here comes the hatred, cursing, slander and threats on my life. Wow...

Overall, nobody is wrong to feel somebody can win, Buus on another level that darkseid can't handle. So for the love of TV dinners and rice cakes understand the universe is one with all the pickles and spinach that brings understanding in situations like this. Buu isn't even something solid that Darkseid can hit, he's out of his league.

Enjoy the cream soda.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 01:06 PM

I am not wrong, you just think i am because of your opinion thats all. I am not wrong. Who knows what would REALLY happen? This is why you don't deal with reality. You THINK that such and such would happen. DS never fought anything like Super Buu. So Again, I am not wrong to think he would win. Dude you need to seriously get over yourself. You aren't god methos, you aren't right about all things man. Just accept the fact that I don't care if you spout facts all day long, these are opinions all day long and we all have a right to say what we feel. You feel I am wrong then enjoy yourself and your ego dude just do it. You want to walk around as if you are the smartest person in the world hey feel good, do you thing. I am happy for you, just accept and respect other people and how they feel is all. You can't let it go. You aren't going to change my view, Super BUU is on this guys level. you can't prove he s not you can't predict what would REALLY happen because none of us know truly! So hey...I think Buu woudl really give DS too many problems. I can live with that and you can't..good man...enjoy your coffee. Have fun!


Just another reason why Anu is doing this all wrong. Okay, I agree with you about opinions. Yeah, you can use opinions on this site. I do it all the time. That's why I almost always vote for Batman. I think he's cooler than everyone else. It's why I'll always vote for Aunt May because god damn, her cookies can kill ayone. However, in a fight, there is no opinion. If I see Kimbo Slice fighting my friend in an alley and I see Kimbo Slice knock him the *vulgarity* out, I'm not going to say "I think my friend is winning. That's my opinion". Why? Because facts say that Kimbo Slice won. Like here, you can't really use opinion in an objective debate. You can't do it. If it was subjective, then yeah, by all means, use opinions.

Also, I'm 99% sure that no one has threatened your life on this thread.

PS: Anu, I stalk all of your posts. They entertain me. Thanks for being you.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 01:07 PM

Amazing how this did not take off until I got in here. Wow..a thread isnt a thread unless I get in it.


Talk about delusions of grandeur.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 01:19 PM

Amazing how this did not take off until I got in here. Wow..a thread isnt a thread unless I get in it. Then here comes the hatred, cursing, slander and threats on my life. Wow...

Overall, nobody is wrong to feel somebody can win, Buus on another level that darkseid can't handle. So for the love of TV dinners and rice cakes understand the universe is one with all the pickles and spinach that brings understanding in situations like this. Buu isn't even something solid that Darkseid can hit, he's out of his league.

Enjoy the cream soda.


I just want to say I thoroughly love your insanity and delusion. Keep it coming whenever you feel, this is the entertainment I miss on this site... Just don't take it to a Kanye West trolling level.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 01:23 PM

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"Then here comes the hatred, cursing, slander and threats on my life."

And yet, there hasn't been any of that.


"Overall, nobody is wrong to feel somebody can win,"

Not true.

To give you an example: A fight is created, Superman vs. Spider-Man. Now, we all know that Superman would win that. You might be of the opinion that Spider-Man would win, but you would be wrong.


"Buus on another level that darkseid can't handle."

No, he really isn't. Darkseid has defeated, and killed, several beings who are far more powerful than Buu could ever hope to be.


"Buu isn't even something solid that Darkseid can hit"

Not true, Buu is very much solid. That's why he was actually hurt when Vegito(in the form of a small chocolate) was physically pummeling him.


[i]"he's out of his league."[/u]

Darkseid is out of Buu's league, yes. Buu has nothing in his repertoire that can kill, or incapacitate, Darkseid. While Darkseid has plenty of things in his repertoire that can both hurt, incapacitate, or even kill Buu.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 03:36 PM

Since Methos does not deal with logic I wont respond to his posts, we never agree and that is just the way things are. So perhaps a chocoloate chip cookie and some warm cow blood will perhaps soften his deal with reality itself. Methos i wish you a good life for the most part because you don't live I think you dont want to live and just breathe nothing but computerchips and hypermethanicgrillshotdoganchoviegreaselacedwithmercury...only you can survive this. Yet your logic most always is flawed and its not worth getting into you with it because you again refuse to change. You are a computer, you couldn't be human and probably never go outside for the most part. You are on here every day, following people and psychologically obsessed with proving yourself right. I don't know how many people you have tied up in a basement yet I hope they escape or are set free due to your evil.

You don't like cookies, you don't eat meat and probably only like wheatgrass. Or protein powder.

Do you know that protein powder actually helps you levitate if you mix it with peanut butter? Try it methos...then again you are braniac on roids...

Not trying to insult you or anything I just think you are seriously obsessed with trying to be right all the time when flat out you arent a wizard of the universe sir. You aren't. You think that any character can win that you like simple as that. A supporter of DC and no other. You don't like Aunt Jemima syrup, you are an evil evil person. Why can't you breathe for once and not be so totalitarian? Do you work for the socialist governent? YOU DO!!!

You have wings, you can fly and probably practice magick don't you? A DBZ charcter has levels of power like a god, you don't have to believe it, one universe versus another. I am not wrong heck Super Buu could get inside the body of Darkside and turn into that pulp or whatever and give him a bad case of stomach flu or something. Darkseid can't digest Buu, therefore defeating him. Darkseid is too slow, not intelligent enough and hasn't studied fighting technique! Hand to hand he has not the SKILLS that can defeat Buu.

Methos discover green tea, discover chocolate, unplug from the matrix that has you, you are floating in a pod with wires connected to you and you are working for the agents. You aren't human, you might try to do that sir, it CAN be done. Just go outside, breathe and look at an ant crawl...you will then understand the human race.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 03:37 PM

Talk about delusions of grandeur.


Jealous again nova? Yes you are. You hate it when people don't talk about you right? Sniff the sweet smell of motor oil, your mind will grow sir it will!

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 03:56 PM

Since Methos does not deal with logic I wont respond to his posts, we never agree and that is just the way things are. So perhaps a chocoloate chip cookie and some warm cow blood will perhaps soften his deal with reality itself. Methos i wish you a good life for the most part because you don't live I think you dont want to live and just breathe nothing but computerchips and hypermethanicgrillshotdoganchoviegreaselacedwithmercury...only you can survive this. Yet your logic most always is flawed and its not worth getting into you with it because you again refuse to change. You are a computer, you couldn't be human and probably never go outside for the most part. You are on here every day, following people and psychologically obsessed with proving yourself right. I don't know how many people you have tied up in a basement yet I hope they escape or are set free due to your evil.

You don't like cookies, you don't eat meat and probably only like wheatgrass. Or protein powder.

Do you know that protein powder actually helps you levitate if you mix it with peanut butter? Try it methos...then again you are braniac on roids...

Not trying to insult you or anything I just think you are seriously obsessed with trying to be right all the time when flat out you arent a wizard of the universe sir. You aren't. You think that any character can win that you like simple as that. A supporter of DC and no other. You don't like Aunt Jemima syrup, you are an evil evil person. Why can't you breathe for once and not be so totalitarian? Do you work for the socialist governent? YOU DO!!!

You have wings, you can fly and probably practice magick don't you? A DBZ charcter has levels of power like a god, you don't have to believe it, one universe versus another. I am not wrong heck Super Buu could get inside the body of Darkside and turn into that pulp or whatever and give him a bad case of stomach flu or something. Darkseid can't digest Buu, therefore defeating him. Darkseid is too slow, not intelligent enough and hasn't studied fighting technique! Hand to hand he has not the SKILLS that can defeat Buu.

Methos discover green tea, discover chocolate, unplug from the matrix that has you, you are floating in a pod with wires connected to you and you are working for the agents. You aren't human, you might try to do that sir, it CAN be done. Just go outside, breathe and look at an ant crawl...you will then understand the human race.


Now why are you attacking everyone on here like you apparently wish we'd attack you? I love a good fire starter, but a common internet troll and flamer I really don't like. Either learn to talk and debate like a semi mature human being or take your food fetishes and leave the site

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 04:03 PM

Enough about calling people out, it's a cartoon no big deal right? Buu being Super Buu w/o Gohan or Piccolo or even the kids is still powerful. He is able to create force fields, scream through dimensions, which in the show it was implied that he could destroy all dimensions. He is not slower than Darkseid, please post him being able to fight even remotely close to Dbz speed!!

Anyway Buu loses unless Buu absorbs a prarademon gaining knowledge about Daekseid and absorbing something or someone useful. Plus what's to stop Buu from blowing up a planet, he does in the show with no hesitation


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Posted 20 March 2012 - 04:33 PM

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"Since Methos does not deal with logic I wont respond to his posts,"

Quite the contrary, I use logic to reach all of my conclusions in the various CBUB matches.


"Yet your logic most always is flawed and its not worth getting into you with it"

Hehe, oh really? And where, exactly, is the flaw in my logic?

Buu is not capable of incapacitating, let alone killing, Darkseid. Darkseid on the other hand, has plenty of ways in which he could(easily) kill Buu. Logic says that Darkseid wins.


"Not trying to insult you or anything I just think you are seriously obsessed with trying to be right all the time when flat out you arent a wizard of the universe sir. You aren't."

And I have never claimed that I am always right. Quite the contrary, I have on several occasions in the past, even once or twice in this thread, said that I am always willing to be convinced by proof, or logical arguments. But so far, you have provided neither.


"You think that any character can win that you like simple as that."

Again, quite the contrary. Most of the characters that I debate for/support, in the various CBUB matches, are characters that I find boring and flat, or that I outright dislike. Primarily due to DC's tendency to overpower a lot of their characters, without giving them a personality and/or story that is interesting enough to make up for it(though there are exceptions, Lucifer Morningstar is a brilliant example of the exceptions). A tendency that Marvel has been going with as well lately.

"A supporter of DC and no other."

Once again, not true. I support the most likely winner of the match, nothing more, nothing less.

I actually used to support the DBZ characters in most matches, until a few flaws in my beliefs about them(primarily about their speed) was pointed out.

Put a DBZ character in a fight that he would actually win, and I'll be one of the people debating for them. However, people(fanboys in particular) have a tendency to over-estimate the capabilities of the DBZ characters, and put them in matches where they are way out of their league.


"A DBZ charcter has levels of power like a god, you don't have to believe it, one universe versus another."

Well, that's partially true. it depends on the God.

If you compare them to Ares from Marvel, then the DBZ characters are far more powerful. But if you compare them to Gods like Darkseid, High Father, Odin or Zeus from Marvel, or even Thor from Marvel, then the DBZ characters aren't even close to the same level of power.


"I am not wrong heck Super Buu could get inside the body of Darkside and turn into that pulp or whatever and give him a bad case of stomach flu or something."

1. Yes, you are wrong.

2. That's partially true. It's true that Buu could probably get inside Darkseid's body, since his speed is, as I've already pointed out more than once, far superior to Darkseid's, but that's about it.

"Darkseid can't digest Buu, therefore defeating him."

Again, partially true. While Darkseid can't digest Buu as he is, Buu being inside Darkseid's body, would make him a far easier target for most of his powers. Darkseid could easily use his Matter Manipulation, to transform Buu into something that he can easily digest. Chocolate, would be an ironic choice.

"Darkseid is too slow, not intelligent enough and hasn't studied fighting technique! Hand to hand he has not the SKILLS that can defeat Buu."

1. True, Buu's speed is far superior to Darkseid's.

2. Not true. Darkseid is one of the most intelligent beings in the DC multiverse.

3. Not true, Darkseid is a highly skilled fighter, and has defeated several high-skill warriors in hand to hand combat(Orion, being a good example).

4. True, despite Darkseid's skills, he isn't skilled enough to physically beat Buu. But none of the ways that he could(easily) kill Buu, require any kind of hand to hand combat. Nor does the majority of Buu's techniques. So that is a moot point.


"Buu being Super Buu w/o Gohan or Piccolo or even the kids is still powerful."

That's true, and no one has said otherwise.


"He is able to create force fields, scream through dimensions, which in the show it was implied that he could destroy all dimensions."

Mostly true. It was never implied that "he could destroy all dimensions". He created a minor hole in the dimensional barrier, nothing more, nothing less.


"He is not slower than Darkseid, please post him being able to fight even remotely close to Dbz speed!!"

When, exactly, has anyone claimed that Buu is slower than Darkseid? Quite the contrary, I have pointed out, on more than one occasion, that Buu is far faster than Darkseid.

"Anyway Buu loses unless Buu absorbs a prarademon gaining knowledge about Daekseid and absorbing something or someone useful."

Mostly true. Absorbing a Parademon wouldn't make any difference.


"Plus what's to stop Buu from blowing up a planet, he does in the show with no hesitation"

You mean aside from Darkseid's energy manipulation, that would simply take Buu's attack and turn it against himself?

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 05:06 PM

Can you show Darkseid actually using his energy manipulation to turn an energy attack around. You probably can I just haven't seen it.

Also about the absorbtion. Think it might have a small chance of working depending on how Buu goes about it. Like how he separated a part of himself and got to Gotenks from behind. Also if he doesn't screw around when he does it. Like when absorbing Gotenks he did it slowly to piss off Gohan.

Lastly I believe while Darkseid has all the right to be confident in this match if he did I think it would be a bad thing. Like when he's underestimated his opponents example: Batman.




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