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[Delta Force]

Martian Manhunter
Captain Marvel
Wally West
Zoom
Superman
Deathstroke
Batman
Nightwing
Black Lightning
Bizarro
Sinestro
Hal Jordan
Lobo
Booster Gold
Firestorm
Cyborg
Wonder Woman
Midnighter
Joker
Black Canary
This is a battle of survival anything goes.
It will take place on Apokolips.
Everyone gets one week of prep time the all get detailed files on opponents everyone is at standard power level.
Who wins?
Also excuse me if this this has been done before.

[sirmethos]

Not enough information to make a ruling at this point.

What kind of equipment do they have access to during prep? Does Batman have access to the Batcave. Do the JLA members have access to the Watchtower. etc. etc.

What are the mindsets of the different characters? Do they each have their standard personalities from the comics, are they all bloodlusted, or.. what?

Is anything allowed? For example, is it allowed for characters to work together, to eliminate others, before they turn on each other?

etc. etc.

[Delta Force]

They only have access to their personal arsenals. For Example Superman has the fortress. Yes to make it more interesting. But you decide whether the fight is long or short.

[Culwych1]

In that case I’m giving it to one of these three:

- Firestorm – the ‘one to watch’ really but I see him as potentially the most powerful if he really cuts loose. I mean the dude has trapped Superman in a kryptonite bubble when he was younger and less powerful and has been shown to be able to nuke people.

- Martian Manhunter for his power set and versatility

- Deathstroke for his excellent use of prep and fighting skills that are superior to Bats

It can really go any number of ways and depends entirely on who pairs against whom first. A few comments:

- Superman is out pretty much immediately; someone (probably Batman) is bringing Kryptonite to this fight
- Black Canary, Booster, Nightwing, Cyborg and Midnighter don’t have the skill or power set to stay long in the competition
- Hal J and Sinestro are probably going to go for each other right at the start of this, the same for Zoom and Wally West, which makes all of them easy targets for other competitors
- The reason I placed Martian Manhunter as one of my winners is because I see him as holding his own and more against Captain Marvel, Bizarro, Lobo and Wonder Woman
- The truly unpredictable fighter here is Joker. I mean what is his “detailed file” going to say:
****Human Criminal; Absolutely Nuts****
His prep is probably going to involve building a giant clown robot/bomb filled with acidic kryptonite spaghetti.

Would be interesting to see though.

[sirmethos]

Well, if the characters are allowed to work together, before they eventually turn on each other, then that takes all the villains(except Lobo), out of the picture.

Since most, if not all, of the heroes are gonna be working together to take them out first.


The fight also depends on which version of the characters we are talking about. Before or after the reset? After the reset, Superman doesn't really have much of a chance, but before the reset, he's a very real contestant for the first place(Superman has a week of prep as well, you don't think he's expecting someone to bring kryptonite?).

[comic_book_fan]

wally if he cuts loose no one will touch him .

[Culwych1]

Well, if the characters are allowed to work together, before they eventually turn on each other, then that takes all the villains(except Lobo), out of the picture.
Since most, if not all, of the heroes are gonna be working together to take them out first.
The fight also depends on which version of the characters we are talking about. Before or after the reset? After the reset, Superman doesn't really have much of a chance, but before the reset, he's a very real contestant for the first place(Superman has a week of prep as well, you don't think he's expecting someone to bring kryptonite?).

- Agreed, villains would be out of the picture first and quickly if the heroes work together
- The only problem with Sups is that, no matter how powerful he is (and indeed, pre reset he is powerful beyond belief) I cannot see his prep as equalling those that rely on it as their main power (e.g. Batman). Again, Martian Manhunter with intangibility and telepathy could hold his own against Wally, Superman and Wonderwoman at the same time (after reset).
- Having reminded myself of some of Firestorm's high end feats, I'm still counting him as the most likely winner (close tie to MM).

[sirmethos]

If we are talking pre-reset, then Superman's prep time is vastly underrated, considering that he has access to the Fortress of Solitude.

Through that, he has access to(among other things): Phantom Zone projector, Kandor('nuff said), and Kryptonian tech. Robots and warsuits among others.

In the Armory in the Fortress, he has a multitude of various weapons he has confiscated from villains over time. The science lab in the Fortress, is one of the most advanced on the planet. He also, in the Fortress, has examples of some of the most dangerous animal species in the universe.

Not to mention the fact that with his increased speed of mind, he(and the others who have the same mental speed) have the equivalent of several times the amount of prep time, that Batman and the others with normal human minds have.

[Delta Force]

Thanks for the insight. For good reason this fight will be post reset. Forgive me for not specifying. The reason some of these people are in this match is 1) I know their capabilities 2) They make the fight unpredictable making it harder for any given winner 3) If given the chance could they pull a trump card.

[Delta Force]

Oh yeah don't for get this.

[sirmethos]

Post-reset, Martian Manhunter is the most likely winner.

[bigballerju]

If we are talking pre-reset, then Superman's prep time is vastly underrated, considering that he has access to the Fortress of Solitude.

Through that, he has access to(among other things): Phantom Zone projector, Kandor('nuff said), and Kryptonian tech. Robots and warsuits among others.

In the Armory in the Fortress, he has a multitude of various weapons he has confiscated from villains over time. The science lab in the Fortress, is one of the most advanced on the planet. He also, in the Fortress, has examples of some of the most dangerous animal species in the universe.

Not to mention the fact that with his increased speed of mind, he(and the others who have the same mental speed) have the equivalent of several times the amount of prep time, that Batman and the others with normal human minds have.

As a Superman fan I am glad you realize this. Many people forget the vast other resources Superman has. I don't think the others in the fight would even stop to think that Superman would result to using those resources. if anything I don't think they would see Superman tossing some of them in the Phantom Zone because they would think that its not like Superman to do that in battle.

Edit: Pre-Reset I agree Superman wins. Post Reset its a toss up between Superman and Martian Manhunter.

[sirmethos]

Post-reset, Superman doesn't stand a chance against Martian Manhunter.

[bigballerju]

Oh I wouldn't say he doesn't stand a chance. Thats going a little overboard now. Remember Martian Manhunter also has to fight the other opponents in the fight. Firestorm seems to be more powerful then before and with the ability to combine to form Fury they could also give Manhunter a problem. Martian Manhunter could find himself facing Superman and Firestorm together. Martian Manhunter I am just saying has to deal with others like Flash, Green Lantern, Firestorm, and Superman.

[sirmethos]

Post-reset, there are plenty of people on the list that could take Superman out with relative ease.

And while Firestorm seems more powerful, he is also far less experienced.

Unlike most of the others, Martian Manhunter, post-reset, is a warrior that won't hesitate to do whatever it takes to win.

[bigballerju]

I wouldn't say plenty of people but true. However Martian Manhunter is going to have a hard time with all the powerhouses he would have to face including Superman. Then again I guess thats where that powerful telepathy of his comes in along with his other abilities like phasing or turning invisible among others.........

Damn I think I just convinced myself Martian Manhunter wins Post Reset.

[sirmethos]

Martian Manhunter
Captain Marvel
Sinestro
Hal Jordan, if it's from the comic with Sinestro, instead of the one from the JLA comics.
Lobo
Firestorm
Wonder Woman
possibly Midnighter and Deathstroke, with the 1 week of prep in mind.

I'd cal that "plenty of people".

As for the Manhunter, there are only 4 people on the list that have any kind of protection against Telepathy, possibly 6 if you count Batman and Deathstroke.

[bigballerju]

Oh true they could beat Superman its just that some of them wouldn't be able to do so with ease.

[sirmethos]

Oh true they could beat Superman its just that some of them wouldn't be able to do so with ease.

Post-reset, with the possible exception of Batman and Deathstroke. Yes, yes they would.


Post-reset, Superman is a LOT weaker, he has basically no combat skill, he has no experience, and unless my memory is playing tricks on me, he can't fly.

[bigballerju]

LOL oh I see. Are you reading Action Comics, Superman, or Justice League? You must be talking about Action Comics which is back in his earlier days as Superman. Superman is not weaker and he has also been shown already to be fast enough to catch up to Flash to hit him. By the way yes he can fly.