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[Callisto]

Welcome sci fi fans to the the battle of the little ships that could. Today we are on location at the spacestation Nowhere, home of the space heroes guardians of the galaxy. The have been gracious enough to let us use thier base to host this epic space battle. These 3 ships have saved their respective galaxies more then a few times. Let's get to the introductions shall we. The first ship is the USS Defiant . A small and powerful warship that almost single handedly turned the tide of the deminion war. Piloted by the crew of DS-9. The next ship in this dog fight is the Normandy sr-2. This is a slick little ship that has been to the far reaches of space and has one of the ugliest crews I have ever seen. The 3rd ship is none other then the millennium falcon. This little ship is barely holding together and has to be considered the underdog in this fight. Then again this group of rebels are used to being the underdogs. To even the odds a little, Luke Skywalker will be joining the battle with his x-wing. Now if you don't mind, im going to take my seat and watch the fight. I made a pretty significant bet with a raccoon on this one. Enjoy the battle fight fans! -------------------------- The line up The defiant (no cloaking) Vs The Normandy sr-2 (mass effect 2 crew) Vs Millennium falcon (return of the jedi crew) plus Luke in his x-wing

[Twogunkid]

The Falcon is out of its league here. It's guns are the equivilant of AA guns not effective against the normandy or defiant. Pluss the falcon is a tricked out frieghter wheras the normandy and defiant are warships. The normandy has very limited firing arcs mostly forward aimed meaning the defiants 360' phaser banks give it a huge edge.

Defiant takes this.

[Mercenaryblade]

My vote goes to Defiant.

[force_echo]

The Normandy has 360 degrees firing arcs too. The main cannon isn't the only weapon it has, it also has mass accelerator guns and missiles.

[Mercenaryblade]

The Normandy has 360 degrees firing arcs too. The main cannon isn't the only weapon it has, it also has mass accelerator guns and missiles.

Those are considered rather outdated weapons in Startrek

[Not a Ninja]

The Normandy has 360 degrees firing arcs too. The main cannon isn't the only weapon it has, it also has mass accelerator guns and missiles.

Not just missles, they're disruptor torpedoes, which warp the fabric of space and time around their target.

[Twogunkid]

If the Normandy's main weapons are pitted against the defiant's main weapons it ends badly. Quantam Torpedo+Phaser Ones+Gatling Phasers+the 360' Phasers gives the Defiant a huge edge in fire power. Plus the power of the warp engine allows the Defiant to pull stunts like the Picard Manuvere wheras the Falcon takes too long to make the jump and the Normandy needs a Mass Relay.

[Not a Ninja]

The Normandy is capable of reaching FTL speeds without a mass relay. As are all ships in the Mass Effect universe.

[force_echo]

If the Normandy's main weapons are pitted against the defiant's main weapons it ends badly. Quantam Torpedo+Phaser Ones+Gatling Phasers+the 360' Phasers gives the Defiant a huge edge in fire power. Plus the power of the warp engine allows the Defiant to pull stunts like the Picard Manuvere wheras the Falcon takes too long to make the jump and the Normandy needs a Mass Relay.

Please learn something about the Normandy before commenting. Not only does the Normandy not need a mass relay, it has one of the best drives in the ME universe. It also has stealth capability, warp torpedos, a defensive laser system to destroy all incoming torpedoes, and a gun that has the energy yield of a nuclear weapon that can fire every 3 seconds.

[Twogunkid]

Please learn something about the Normandy before commenting. Not only does the Normandy not need a mass relay, it has one of the best drives in the ME universe. It also has stealth capability, warp torpedos, a defensive laser system to destroy all incoming torpedoes, and a gun that has the energy yield of a nuclear weapon that can fire every 3 seconds.

Except the NCC 1701 was able to withstand nuclear hits (Balance of Terror) The defiant is far more advanced and has ablative armor in addition to advanced shields. The normandy's stealth system masks its heat emmisions meaning it doesn't affect Star Trek sensors which can be light based, mass based, and based radiation and geseous emmisions. On top of that Quantam Torpedos travel at FTL speeds meaning the Normandy should be incapable of interception seeing as lasers are the base level of weaponry in Star Trek: Enterprise some 200 years earlier. The Defiant is one of the best Star Trek Ships period. It carries as much power as a Heavy Cruiser in a Frigate Body, it bristles with backup systems and almost all of its equipment serves a combat function. Assuming the Defiant has its standard shuttlebay it carries either a runabout or a Federation fighter. Even if its only a runabout its a ship that is highly manuverable and packs state of the art targeting computers enabling Odo and Weyoun 7 to fight more powerful Dominion Cruisers. The Mass Effect Shuttles are intended for transport. Then throw in the Defiant's Transporters as another edge they can use Transporter mines meaning the Normandy could fly right into one it would never see coming.

[Mercenaryblade]

Except the NCC 1701 was able to withstand nuclear hits (Balance of Terror) The defiant is far more advanced and has ablative armor in addition to advanced shields. The normandy's stealth system masks its heat emmisions meaning it doesn't affect Star Trek sensors which can be light based, mass based, and based radiation and geseous emmisions. On top of that Quantam Torpedos travel at FTL speeds meaning the Normandy should be incapable of interception seeing as lasers are the base level of weaponry in Star Trek: Enterprise some 200 years earlier. The Defiant is one of the best Star Trek Ships period. It carries as much power as a Heavy Cruiser in a Frigate Body, it bristles with backup systems and almost all of its equipment serves a combat function. Assuming the Defiant has its standard shuttlebay it carries either a runabout or a Federation fighter. Even if its only a runabout its a ship that is highly manuverable and packs state of the art targeting computers enabling Odo and Weyoun 7 to fight more powerful Dominion Cruisers. The Mass Effect Shuttles are intended for transport. Then throw in the Defiant's Transporters as another edge they can use Transporter mines meaning the Normandy could fly right into one it would never see coming.

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And just for fun a video showing the Defiant vs a much larger warship:

[force_echo]

Except the NCC 1701 was able to withstand nuclear hits (Balance of Terror) The defiant is far more advanced and has ablative armor in addition to advanced shields. The normandy's stealth system masks its heat emmisions meaning it doesn't affect Star Trek sensors which can be light based, mass based, and based radiation and geseous emmisions. On top of that Quantam Torpedos travel at FTL speeds meaning the Normandy should be incapable of interception seeing as lasers are the base level of weaponry in Star Trek: Enterprise some 200 years earlier. The Defiant is one of the best Star Trek Ships period. It carries as much power as a Heavy Cruiser in a Frigate Body, it bristles with backup systems and almost all of its equipment serves a combat function. Assuming the Defiant has its standard shuttlebay it carries either a runabout or a Federation fighter. Even if its only a runabout its a ship that is highly manuverable and packs state of the art targeting computers enabling Odo and Weyoun 7 to fight more powerful Dominion Cruisers. The Mass Effect Shuttles are intended for transport. Then throw in the Defiant's Transporters as another edge they can use Transporter mines meaning the Normandy could fly right into one it would never see coming.

Just because the ship's taken nukes doesn't mean that it can take a slug travelling at significant fractions of the speed of light with the raw yield of a nuke every three seconds.

Yes, the Normandy has ablative armor in addition to kinetic barriers too. It also has carbon nanotube armor with CVD compressed diamond underlays.

The Normandy doesn't give off radiation or gas either, it uses a passive mass effect drive to move silently through space. As for light based, yeah, every ship has light based detection, its called looking out of the window. Obviously in a space battle the ships would be too far apart to rely on that method.

The Normandy doesn't use lasers for an offensive purpose, they use it to shoot incoming missiles and fighters.

And the Normandy is one of the best ships in Mass Effect. Your point?

The Normandy's main drives are powered by antimatter, and its maneuvering thrusters are hydrogen (fusion powered), trust me, its fast AND maneuverable.

Do you realize how big space is? If these transports set a mine, the Normandy, for all intents and purposes, has a 0% probability of running into it.

[Twogunkid]

Just because the ship's taken nukes doesn't mean that it can take a slug travelling at significant fractions of the speed of light with the raw yield of a nuke every three seconds.

Yes, the Normandy has ablative armor in addition to kinetic barriers too. It also has carbon nanotube armor with CVD compressed diamond underlays.

The Normandy doesn't give off radiation or gas either, it uses a passive mass effect drive to move silently through space. As for light based, yeah, every ship has light based detection, its called looking out of the window. Obviously in a space battle the ships would be too far apart to rely on that method.

The Normandy doesn't use lasers for an offensive purpose, they use it to shoot incoming missiles and fighters.

And the Normandy is one of the best ships in Mass Effect. Your point?

The Normandy's main drives are powered by antimatter, and its maneuvering thrusters are hydrogen (fusion powered), trust me, its fast AND maneuverable.

Do you realize how big space is? If these transports set a mine, the Normandy, for all intents and purposes, has a 0% probability of running into it.

Not if they drop the mine right in front of the Normandy. Also lasers wont be able to intercept FTL target they won't stop quantam torpedos from ripping the normandy to shreds

Plus the Defiant has a crew more suited to Space combat. Shepard is a soldier not a naval officer. He may have been able to take a collector ship when he had the drop on it, but he is no match for the seasoned Defiant Crew.

[force_echo]

If they drop the mine right in front of the Normandy the laser system will destroy it, or the ship carrying it would be annihilated by the Normandy. Why wouldn't lasers destroy FTL targets? Does going FTL make them invincible?

Joker is one of the best pilots in the Alliance Military. Garrus is an extremly good gunner. Tali is a extremely proficient engineer. If anything, the Normandy's staff is superior. Plus the Normandy has a whole staff of seasoned Cerberus personell.

[Twogunkid]

If they drop the mine right in front of the Normandy the laser system will destroy it, or the ship carrying it would be annihilated by the Normandy. Why wouldn't lasers destroy FTL targets? Does going FTL make them invincible?

Joker is one of the best pilots in the Alliance Military. Garrus is an extremly good gunner. Tali is a extremely proficient engineer. If anything, the Normandy's staff is superior. Plus the Normandy has a whole staff of seasoned Cerberus personell.

Because lasers cannot travel at FTL because they are light based weapons. So they cant hit a target moving at FTL Look at the Defiant's Crew. Sisko who has enough skill to fly them into Dominion Space and sabotoge a white distribution base. Dax has more than one lifetime of experience. Chief O'Brien is the greatest engineer since Mr. Scott able to improvise phaser output to three times what it originally was and nearly double the speed of torpedo firing. That and he works with top of the line federation engineering. The Enterprise D was the flagship of the Federation and the Defiant is one of three top of the line state of the art vessels. Nog has pilioting feets to par up with Joker navigating a shuttlecraft inside a military base (Little Green Men) nearly defeating a Jemhadar battleship by hugging its hull at Full impulse (Valiant). You can't convince me Garruk is a better tactical officer than Mr. Worf who (in expanded universe) did great damage to the Borg Cube in First Contact when in command of the Defiant. Though less important Dr. Bashir is far more indearing than Dr. whatever her name was. He is genetically enhanced and has prooven useful in coming up with tactical options and analysis on the bridge.
Cerebus Personel are like the Marquis of Mass Effect they are just glorified terrorists they are not superior to normal hired crewmen with the same proficiencies.

[force_echo]

The torpedoes are travelling at the ship, which means the lasers don't have to travel faster than the torpedoes to hit them.

Garrus is the gunner, not the tactical officer. Tali was one of the best engineers aboard the Quarian fleet, a force known for its ability to engineer and reengineer anything to fit their needs. The Normandy is the most state of the art ship in the Alliance Navy, and Joker was able to maneuver through and outpilot Collector weapons systems, which were more advanced than even the Normandy. The cerberus personnel on the Normandy were the best The Illusive Man could pay for and certainly the best of the entire organization (which, considering it is funded by billions of credits, is alot).

[force_echo]

Don't forget Defiant has a cloaking device as well.

Fail.

[Mercenaryblade]

Fail.

Not Really it does have a cloaking device which is better than the Normandy's which is why it's disabled in this fight.

[force_echo]

which is why it's disabled in this fight.

Yeah, like you knew that before.

[Mercenaryblade]

Yeah, like you knew that before.

Took someone long enough to call me out on it.