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#61 DamagingRob

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 05:03 PM

If I remember correctly, Goku did defeat Cell.

Gohan defeated Cell with Goku giving his energy blast a boost from Otherworld.

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 05:17 PM

Before Pymp argues any more than he is now, and continues being a fanboy...

FIX YOUR GOD BE DAMNED GRAMMAR.

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 05:20 PM

Before Pymp argues any more than he is now, and continues being a fanboy...

FIX YOUR GOD BE DAMNED GRAMMAR.



one, I don't care to, Im at work ahve type fast since I have shit to do.
2, I'm a fanboy because I have opinions?

3. Stop complaining, and skip this if you don't want to read this.

4. That is all lol.

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 05:24 PM

one, I don't care to, Im at work ahve type fast since I have shit to do.
2, I'm a fanboy because I have opinions?

3. Stop complaining, and skip this if you don't want to read this.

4. That is all lol.

1. I can type at over one hundred words per minute. My grammar is impeccable.

2. No, you're a fanboy because you blatantly ignore everything that doesn't promote your opinion.

3. Fix your grammar and I'll stop complaining.

4. Quite.

#65 Dr. Pymp(mex)

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 05:26 PM

The focus of Dragonball was martial arts, the focus of Dragonball Z was getting more powerful. In DBZ they never once said "I need to learn new martial arts" it was always "I need to increase my power to win". Besides there is a long list of people in the DCU that is just as skilled/even more skilled then Batman, that he has taken down.


Not true. Thats what you and others think. vast and major difference. In DBZ they do not focus on Martial Arts as they are alreasy masters of it. So the next thing to do is train to be more powerful.


ki or no ki, they are extremely skilled. Saying Batman is more is just plain wrong. Again you, Sirmethos and a few others are focused on the little stupid things that don't matter.

Bats doesn't have more skills, you guys that haven't thrown a punch should open their mouths. Skills alone don't win fights as neither does strength, but in this case both can throw any kind of punch (Batman might call it a Karate overhead punch, ex. and Goku might just call it a punch)

in Traditional Martial Arts, most of it is bullshit and form, not really effective, ask anyone with brains if you doubt me, so what DBZ did in DB was master their forms, their styles and their own capabilities and then in DBZ they got powerful to help their already powerful skills.

How many times does this have to go in circles? Batman doesn't fight everyday, he catches bad guys with his tech and stealth, I am sure fighting the Penguin and the Joker doesn't count for shit as those guys are weak physically. He mostly dodges bulelts and traps guys.

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 05:27 PM

Your mangling of the English language... disturbs me.

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 05:33 PM

1. I can type at over one hundred words per minute. My grammar is impeccable.

2. No, you're a fanboy because you blatantly ignore everything that doesn't promote your opinion.

3. Fix your grammar and I'll stop complaining.

4. Quite.



1. wow, good for you buddy I can give a shit. I type 70 words per min and mostly use abbreviations so I really don't care, I have people write my shit for me. I will hire you haha

2. Piss turns to shit with you guys, You claim you're right in comics, oh no??? I am stupid for thinking otherwise. the only time I say DBZ wins is when you guys place them in bullshit battles. Like Goku w/o ki, and when they are allowed to have ki, the other people win because of some other bullshit like Goku can;t resist telepathy. haha Fanboys are blind to other fanboys.

3. I don't care if you complain, I don't know you, but if you ever want to complain in person I will be happy to accomidate you.

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 05:35 PM

one, I don't care to, Im at work ahve type fast since I have shit to do.
2, I'm a fanboy because I have opinions?

3. Stop complaining, and skip this if you don't want to read this.

4. That is all lol.

Fanboy: "A passionate fan of various elements of geek culture (e.g. sci-fi, comics, Star Wars, video games, anime, hobbits, Magic: the Gathering, etc.), but who lets his passion override social graces".

^ Thats why youre a fanboy. A Marvel fanboy.

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 05:37 PM

1. wow, good for you buddy I can give a shit. I type 70 words per min and mostly use abbreviations so I really don't care, I have people write my shit for me. I will hire you haha

2. Piss turns to shit with you guys, You claim you're right in comics, oh no??? I am stupid for thinking otherwise. the only time I say DBZ wins is when you guys place them in bullshit battles. Like Goku w/o ki, and when they are allowed to have ki, the other people win because of some other bullshit like Goku can;t resist telepathy. haha Fanboys are blind to other fanboys.

3. I don't care if you complain, I don't know you, but if you ever want to complain in person I will be happy to accomidate you.

1. FIX YOUR GODDAMN GRAMMAR.

2. Considering there are others here who know as much-- likely more-- about DBZ than you do (I do not), I don't see why you can't concede with their opinions, which I presume to be correct seeing as this is a "bullshit battle."

3. Also taking into consideration you told me to stop complaining, that implies you cared if I complain, and by the way... Not a snowball's chance in hell I am leaving my grammar chair.

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 05:39 PM

Fanboy: "A passionate fan of various elements of geek culture (e.g. sci-fi, comics, Star Wars, video games, anime, hobbits, Magic: the Gathering, etc.), but who lets his passion override social graces".

^ Thats why youre a fanboy. A Marvel fanboy.



oh wait now I am a marvel fanboy? I thought I was being accused of being a DBZ fanboy?
If I am a fanboy you are of male organs

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 05:42 PM

oh wait now I am a marvel fanboy? I thought I was being accused of being a DBZ fanboy?
If I am a fanboy you are of male organs

...If I could make sense of that, I'd say "At least we have male organs."

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 05:42 PM

1. Not true. Thats what you and others think. vast and major difference. In DBZ they do not focus on Martial Arts as they are alreasy masters of it. So the next thing to do is train to be more powerful.


2. ki or no ki, they are extremely skilled. Saying Batman is more is just plain wrong. Again you, Sirmethos and a few others are focused on the little stupid things that don't matter.

3. Bats doesn't have more skills, you guys that haven't thrown a punch should open their mouths. Skills alone don't win fights as neither does strength, but in this case both can throw any kind of punch (Batman might call it a Karate overhead punch, ex. and Goku might just call it a punch)

4. so what DBZ did in DB was master their forms, their styles and their own capabilities and then in DBZ they got powerful to help their already powerful skills.

5. How many times does this have to go in circles? Batman doesn't fight everyday, he catches bad guys with his tech and stealth, I am sure fighting the Penguin and the Joker doesn't count for shit as those guys are weak physically. He mostly dodges bulelts and traps guys.

1. Ok, and Batman trains to be BETTER at his already master level skills.

2. What stupid little things? Prove that Goku is more skilled if it is that obvious.

3. Actually Broly proves DBZ is all about having more power then skill. Broly is a brawler and he owned 5 highly trained martial artists through sheer power. Batman has beaten stronger opponents through his superior skill.

4. Stop repeating yourself, and start proving Goku is superior.

5. Batman DOES fight everyday. If he isn't fighting a villain, he is on patrol using his fighting skills. In DBZ they go YEARS with peace. That means Goku training, while Batman is using his skills everyday in life or death situations.

Seriously pymp, quit being such a fan boy. You can have an opinion, but if you are going to "debate" then be objective. Stop being an idiot, it may be hard but try your best!

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 05:51 PM

oh wait now I am a marvel fanboy? I thought I was being accused of being a DBZ fanboy?
If I am a fanboy you are of male organs

Like you said earlier, it would be a cold day in hell that you ever said that to my face. Besides, your comeback was completly lame. YOU think Im gay because I gave the definition of "fanboy" (which matches you perfectly), yet EVERYONE on here knows youre a fanboy (except you). So yeah... you fail fanboy. ..l.,

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 05:52 PM

1. Ok, and Batman trains to be BETTER at his already master level skills.

2. What stupid little things? Prove that Goku is more skilled if it is that obvious.

3. Actually Broly proves DBZ is all about having more power then skill. Broly is a brawler and he owned 5 highly trained martial artists through sheer power. Batman has beaten stronger opponents through his superior skill.

4. Stop repeating yourself, and start proving Goku is superior.

5. Batman DOES fight everyday. If he isn't fighting a villain, he is on patrol using his fighting skills. In DBZ they go YEARS with peace. That means Goku training, while Batman is using his skills everyday in life or death situations.

Seriously pymp, quit being such a fan boy. You can have an opinion, but if you are going to "debate" then be objective. Stop being an idiot, it may be hard but try your best!


ok Hayes lets do this.
1. and does Goku

2. You seen the shit, watch it again.

3.Actually Brolly proves nothing that Superman wouldn't do to Batman either, oh unless Batman carrying Kryptonite is not under his skills

4. Then stop repating the same shit as well

5. Batman rides hir car, batwing, and does surveillance, thats not Skills. Batman fights bums/thugs and henchmen, sure he shows skills, but anyone with some skills would do the same to unskilled people. He does not fight skilled fighters everyday. Goku doesn't either, but he trains everyday for longer, sparring, working out, ki gathering, everything he is just as skilled. The thing is I never say Goku is so skilled that Batman wouldn't keep up, just that you guys (most of you guys say that Batman would beat him easily. That is just false.

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 05:54 PM

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"Not true. Thats what you and others think. vast and major difference. In DBZ they do not focus on Martial Arts as they are alreasy masters of it. So the next thing to do is train to be more powerful."

And yet, there are no actual examples in the manga, of the skill level you are describing.


"ki or no ki, they are extremely skilled. Saying Batman is more is just plain wrong."

Saying that Batman is more skilled, is based on evidence.


"Again you, Sirmethos and a few others are focused on the little stupid things that don't matter."

You mean like the lack of evidence of Goku's supposed skill. Or the fact that every opponent he has defeated as been due to power, rather than skill?


"Bats doesn't have more skills, you guys that haven't thrown a punch should open their mouths. Skills alone don't win fights as neither does strength, but in this case both can throw any kind of punch"

Yes, Batman has more skills, and unlike with Goku, there are plenty of examples of his skill. You're right that skill alone doesn't win a fight, but Batman isn't just a skilled martial artist, he is also one of the best tacticians and strategists on the planet, and he is physically at his peak. Which means that Batman doesn't just have martial arts skill, he also has strength, speed, durability, etc. I'm not gonna argue that Batman is stronger/faster/etc. than Goku, but with Batman at his peak, and Goku reduced to human levels, they are at least equals(if Batman isn't superior), which means that yes, in a fight between the two of them, combat skills does win the fight.



"in Traditional Martial Arts, most of it is bullshit and form, not really effective, ask anyone with brains if you doubt me, so what DBZ did in DB was master their forms, their styles and their own capabilities and then in DBZ they got powerful to help their already powerful skills."

It's true that in Traditional Martial Arts, most of it is relatively (in a fight)useless forms. But since neither Batman nor Goku utilizes Traditional Martial Arts, with all its forms, that is a moot point. As for the DBZ'ers being masters of their forms, again, there is no evidence supporting that.


"How many times does this have to go in circles? Batman doesn't fight everyday, he catches bad guys with his tech and stealth, I am sure fighting the Penguin and the Joker doesn't count for shit as those guys are weak physically. "

Oh really? Every day, Batman is out fighting crime. And while yes, he takes some of them out with batarangs and other gadgets, most of them are taken out with punches and/or kicks. So yes, Batman does fight every day. And while Joker and Penguin themselves might not count for much, their usual hordes of minions do.


"He mostly dodges bulelts and traps guys."

And dodging isn't part of fighting? As for trapping bad guys, I've already addressed that.

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 05:59 PM

What is wrong with you assholes? Civil Discussion time. No name calling or personal insults. Seriously, we're talking about Goku and Batman.

By the way, Goku does have some skill. But the thing is, there's no right answer, as skill isn't a quantifiable thing. No one's going to crunch the data and see who has more skillpoints. I'm just saying, both are skilled martial artists.

Yes Goku is. He is shown practicing his martial arts all the time. He uses blocking techniques that seem to work well enough - and are adaptable enough to work on Vegeta, Cell, Freeze (5 limbs) Buu, and anyone else Goku comes across. Goku also strikes with arms, legs, and knees. Knees indicate some level of training, that's not normal. Goku also uses throws, frequently.

He is a good martial artist. So's Batman. As to who's better? Who can say? How are you judging better?

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 06:00 PM

Like you said earlier, it would be a cold day in hell that you ever said that to my face. Besides, your comeback was completly lame. YOU think Im gay because I gave the definition of "fanboy" (which matches you perfectly), yet EVERYONE on here knows youre a fanboy (except you). So yeah... you fail fanboy. ..l.,



lmao, wait so you want to meet up and settle this? be real, if you are. sure I am in Orange County CA, Irvine to be exact, I would show you that training everyday beast you knowing more styles of fighting. No bullshit, get out of here and trying to start shit. I'm 28 so if you are man enough meet me up. Or I will meet you up, I travel for work and would love to show you what MMA is about.

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 06:02 PM

lmao, wait so you want to meet up and settle this? be real, if you are. sure I am in Orange County CA, Irvine to be exact, I would show you that training everyday beast you knowing more styles of fighting. No bullshit, get out of here and trying to start shit. I'm 28 so if you are man enough meet me up. Or I will meet you up, I travel for work and would love to show you what MMA is about.

I'm twelve, and I'd kick your ass.

This problem spouts from... YOUR COMPLETE, TOTAL, ABSOLUTE DISREGARD FOR GRAMMATICAL CORRECTNESS.

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 06:04 PM

ok Hayes lets do this.
1. and does Goku

2. You seen the shit, watch it again.

3.Actually Brolly proves nothing that Superman wouldn't do to Batman either, oh unless Batman carrying Kryptonite is not under his skills

4. Then stop repating the same shit as well

5. Batman rides hir car, batwing, and does surveillance, thats not Skills. Batman fights bums/thugs and henchmen, sure he shows skills, but anyone with some skills would do the same to unskilled people. He does not fight skilled fighters everyday. Goku doesn't either, but he trains everyday for longer, sparring, working out, ki gathering, everything he is just as skilled. The thing is I never say Goku is so skilled that Batman wouldn't keep up, just that you guys (most of you guys say that Batman would beat him easily. That is just false.

What? First off Broly and Goku are a lot closer of a match then Superman and Batman. Terrible example. Second, even with kryptonite Superman would smush Batman everyone knows that.

I'm talking about someone like Ra's al Ghul. He has been around for 500+ years. He is highly skilled and a brilliant tactician. Due to being in the Lazurus pits he has superhuman stats. He is faster, stonger, etc. then Batman, yet Batman beats him through superior skills. Deathstroke has said himself that if it weren't for his upgrades Batman would beat him. Why? Because he is better skilled.

How aren't you getting this? DBZ is all about getting more powerful. Batman is about using his SKILLS and WITS to win fights. You don't read Batman comics how can you say what goes on in them? In Detective comics he fights a juiced up Joker(turns out it is Clayface posing as Joker) and beats him even though Clayface is so much faster and stronger then him.

Oh and what "shit" have I seen? You said sirmethos and others "are focusing on stupid shit" so what is this "stupid shit"? Stop dancing around questions and just answer them.

EDIT: Let's see how Batman and Goku beat their opponents.

Vegeta- Vegeta whooped him, weren't it for interference Goku would have died. Why? Because Vegeta was too powerful for him, so much for his skills saving him there.

Frieza- Goku needed the Super Saiyan power boost to win.

Cell- He had to help power up Gohan to beat him.

Buu- He had to have his POWER restored to win hmmmmmm....Matter of fact he needed the power from parts of the universe to win.

Now Batman's enemies.

Ra's al Ghul- Highly skilled, brilliant tactician, low level superhuman, Batman beats him through superior skill.

Bane- Highly skilled, brilliant tactician low level superhuman(on venom), Batman beats him through skills and wits.

Arael- Highly skilled, brilliant tactician, he was in very impressive armor, how did Batman win? Through skills and wits.

Hmmm seems like there is a pattern. Goku needs power to win, Batman uses skills and wits to win....

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 06:10 PM

I don't think that statement is as effective as you would've hoped. At any rate, you don't have time, yet here you are! And, yes.


You're just going to hand me ammunition?


I have time now.

Sure.




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