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Posted 21 January 2012 - 02:39 PM

-Superboy-Prime

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Can they defeat Dark Phoenix in a fight, or not?

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Posted 21 January 2012 - 02:56 PM

Isn't Dark Phoenix a reality manipulator?

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Posted 21 January 2012 - 03:02 PM

Which version of The Fury is this?

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Posted 21 January 2012 - 03:19 PM

"Can they defeat Dark Phoenix in a fight, or not? "

Yes, they can. Quite easily.

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Posted 21 January 2012 - 04:28 PM

"Can they defeat Dark Phoenix in a fight, or not? "

Yes, they can. Quite easily.



you like using the phrase "Quite Easily"

name one guy that is a galactic threat?
The Sentry isn't, Black Adam isn't, but the other guys are? I don't know them. But I do know that the phoenix can destroy solar systems in one shot.

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Posted 21 January 2012 - 04:50 PM

you like using the phrase "Quite Easily"

name one guy that is a galactic threat?
The Sentry isn't, Black Adam isn't, but the other guys are? I don't know them. But I do know that the phoenix can destroy solar systems in one shot.


There is a huge difference in The Phoenix, and Dark Phoenix.

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Posted 21 January 2012 - 04:53 PM

you like using the phrase "Quite Easily"

name one guy that is a galactic threat?
The Sentry isn't, Black Adam isn't, but the other guys are? I don't know them. But I do know that the phoenix can destroy solar systems in one shot.


And how does this affect the teams ability to beat her?

Hell, most of them could beat her 1on1.

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Posted 21 January 2012 - 05:55 PM

And how does this affect the teams ability to beat her?

Hell, most of them could beat her 1on1.

What?

Solar system buster able to take that damage can withstand any version of Sentry superbly can't absorb mind raping
Black Adam wouldn't even get close with her telekinesis ad yeah put a bunch of sharks vs a submarine scenario

Fearsome as they are they are nothing to her full wrath

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Posted 21 January 2012 - 06:15 PM

What?

Solar system buster able to take that damage can withstand any version of Sentry superbly can't absorb mind raping
Black Adam wouldn't even get close with her telekinesis ad yeah put a bunch of sharks vs a submarine scenario

Fearsome as they are they are nothing to her full wrath


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Ok, I'll explain it in simple and easy to understand terms.

Dark Phoenix is the Phoenix Force in human form(an identical copy of Jean Grey's body).

Dark Phoenix(and Jean Grey) in her human body, has the reflexes and speed(not to mention Durability), of a regular human(though a well-trained one).


On the team, every single member has speed and reflexes far beyond human peak, and 4 of them are considerably faster than light.

Every one of those 4, can hit Dark Phoenix before she can even think, let alone react.


This is the same weakness that most high-level Reality Warpers(and probability manipulators) has. A weakness that most people seem to completely ignore, but it is there nonetheless.

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Posted 21 January 2012 - 07:48 PM

-sigh-

Ok, I'll explain it in simple and easy to understand terms.

Dark Phoenix is the Phoenix Force in human form(an identical copy of Jean Grey's body).

Dark Phoenix(and Jean Grey) in her human body, has the reflexes and speed(not to mention Durability), of a regular human(though a well-trained one).


On the team, every single member has speed and reflexes far beyond human peak, and 4 of them are considerably faster than light.

Every one of those 4, can hit Dark Phoenix before she can even think, let alone react.


This is the same weakness that most high-level Reality Warpers(and probability manipulators) has. A weakness that most people seem to completely ignore, but it is there nonetheless.

darkphoenix has ripped gladiator in half and can not be hurt by physical means while she is in control the only time she has been hurt is when jean took control long enough to let them destroy her body still did nothing to the phoenix and so yes if jean wants them to kill her they can if not then the team dies .

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Posted 21 January 2012 - 07:51 PM

darkphoenix has ripped gladiator in half and can not be hurt by physical means while she is in control the only time she has been hurt is when jean took control long enough to let them destroy her body still did nothing to the phoenix and so yes if jean wants them to kill her they can if not then the team dies .


No one in the comics attacked her at super human speeds, and the reason that she was never hurt by physical means, is due to her protecting herself with telekinesis.

If the team attacks her before she can protect herself, then she goes *splat*.

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Posted 21 January 2012 - 08:03 PM

-sigh-

Ok, I'll explain it in simple and easy to understand terms.

Dark Phoenix is the Phoenix Force in human form(an identical copy of Jean Grey's body).

Dark Phoenix(and Jean Grey) in her human body, has the reflexes and speed(not to mention Durability), of a regular human(though a well-trained one).


On the team, every single member has speed and reflexes far beyond human peak, and 4 of them are considerably faster than light.

Every one of those 4, can hit Dark Phoenix before she can even think, let alone react.


This is the same weakness that most high-level Reality Warpers(and probability manipulators) has. A weakness that most people seem to completely ignore, but it is there nonetheless.





Dark Phoenix is the full power of the Phoenix Force unleashed/not holding back. DarkP in a stomp. Dark Phoenix powers not being interupted buy Jean wont even let her die. One sided stomp fight for Dark P.

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Posted 21 January 2012 - 08:05 PM

Dark Phoenix is the full power of the Phoenix Force unleashed/not holding back. DarkP in a stomp. Dark Phoenix powers not being interupted buy Jean wont even let her die. One sided stomp fight for Dark P.

What, exactly, is Phoenix going to do to avoid being speed-blitzed before she can even react?

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Posted 21 January 2012 - 08:08 PM

What, exactly, is Phoenix going to do to avoid being speed-blitzed before she can even react?



The Phoenix Force enables her to die and be reborn. With the mastery of the PF she has nothing to fear from a speed blitz because it cant even harm her. She can stand in a supernova with no harm to her, a speed blitz does nothing.

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Posted 21 January 2012 - 08:09 PM

What, exactly, is Phoenix going to do to avoid being speed-blitzed before she can even react?




For ur scenario to work she must not be aware of herself having the Phoenix Force backing her

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Posted 21 January 2012 - 08:55 PM

The Phoenix Force enables her to die and be reborn. With the mastery of the PF she has nothing to fear from a speed blitz because it cant even harm her. She can stand in a supernova with no harm to her, a speed blitz does nothing.


The reason that "she can stand a supernova with no harm to her", is due to her protecting herself with telekinesis.

A speed blitz would hit her before she can get her shields up. I.e. she would, for all intents and purposes, have the durability of a normal human when she gets hit.

Once that happens, the Phoenix Force would be released from the physical body, and Dark Phoenix no longer exists.

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Posted 21 January 2012 - 09:02 PM

The reason that "she can stand a supernova with no harm to her", is due to her protecting herself with telekinesis.

A speed blitz would hit her before she can get her shields up. I.e. she would, for all intents and purposes, have the durability of a normal human when she gets hit.

Once that happens, the Phoenix Force would be released from the physical body, and Dark Phoenix no longer exists.



No clearly you dont understand, she does not need to put sheilds up as Dark Phoenix, shields dont factor in. With the power of Dark Phoenix she cant be hurt at all by anything less powerful then her. You would need Eternity or Death to harm her. She is only vulnerable when Jean trys to surpress its power and no where does it state that is going on. All it says in can they beat her. No they can not if she is truely Dark Phoenix at the time. It the person posted more info rather then can they beat her things might change. With so little info I assume they mean she is truely Dark Phoenix not a lame Jean Grey surpressing the Phoenix Force power. She shit stomps them.

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Posted 21 January 2012 - 09:17 PM

No clearly you dont understand, she does not need to put sheilds up as Dark Phoenix, shields dont factor in. With the power of Dark Phoenix she cant be hurt at all by anything less powerful then her. You would need Eternity or Death to harm her. She is only vulnerable when Jean trys to surpress its power and no where does it state that is going on. All it says in can they beat her. No they can not if she is truely Dark Phoenix at the time. It the person posted more info rather then can they beat her things might change. With so little info I assume they mean she is truely Dark Phoenix not a lame Jean Grey surpressing the Phoenix Force power. She shit stomps them.


Not true. Dark Phoenix is physically, for all intents and purposes, purely human(or mutant if you want to get technical about it).

If you, to give an example, were to walk up to her while she was sleeping, and shoot her in the head with a gun, then her body would die, and the Phoenix Force would be released.

The same thing would happen here, once she gets hit by 4(possibly only 3) heavy hitters at speeds close to the speed of light(i.e. Dark Phoenix's body goes *splat* and the Phoenix Force is released).


The fact that she is in a purely human body, is the reason she became Dark Phoenix in the first place.

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Posted 22 January 2012 - 12:37 AM

Not true. Dark Phoenix is physically, for all intents and purposes, purely human(or mutant if you want to get technical about it).

If you, to give an example, were to walk up to her while she was sleeping, and shoot her in the head with a gun, then her body would die, and the Phoenix Force would be released.

The same thing would happen here, once she gets hit by 4(possibly only 3) heavy hitters at speeds close to the speed of light(i.e. Dark Phoenix's body goes *splat* and the Phoenix Force is released).


The fact that she is in a purely human body, is the reason she became Dark Phoenix in the first place.

No The entity consumes her. She and the Entity are one. Her Human body is as the Phoenix Force itself. Oh and she can moves far faster then lightspeed. She destroys them all. I dont think you understand Dark Phoenix concept, you are stuck on the Phoenix Force while struggling with Jeans influence. Dark Phoenix IS the Phoenix Force itself without Jean battling for control.

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Posted 22 January 2012 - 09:09 AM

No The entity consumes her. She and the Entity are one. Her Human body is as the Phoenix Force itself. Oh and she can moves far faster then lightspeed. She destroys them all. I dont think you understand Dark Phoenix concept, you are stuck on the Phoenix Force while struggling with Jeans influence. Dark Phoenix IS the Phoenix Force itself without Jean battling for control.


Not quite.

Jean Grey is not the Dark Phoenix, she never has been. The Dark Phoenix was the Phoenix Force in a copy of Jean's body(created by the Phoenix Force itself, using Jean Grey's memories), that had been driven mad.

At the time of the Dark Phoenix, Jean Grey was comatose, still being healed in a cocoon(again, created by the Phoenix Force).


The whole point of the Dark Phoenix, was that the Phoenix Force itself, was in a mortal, human body and was driven crazy. There was never any changes made to her physical form.


And no, she can not move at the speed of light, nor can she react at that speed. What she can do, is create portals that allows her to travel almost instantly, to pretty much anywhere in the universe. She is, however, still limited by her physical body.




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