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[Hayesmeister5651]

Is English your first language, is it your native tongue? At this point I am kinda hoping not. 'Cause most people fluent in a language can account for deviations in it. In fact they have done studies where people read an entire paragraph of typos and most don't realize it. It's kinda the same way we can read words on personalized license plates. Even though spelling on'em has to be adjusted to fit. Just like we know what Mortal Kombat means even though combat is spelled wrong or how to pronounce Ice-T's name even though it isn't spelled Ice Tea. Hold on please tell me you had trouble with either of those?

I did. Please explain more.

[Nova Force Nova]

Is English your first language, is it your native tongue? At this point I am kinda hoping not. 'Cause most people fluent in a language can account for deviations in it. In fact they have done studies where people read an entire paragraph of typos and most don't realize it. It's kinda the same way we can read words on personalized license plates. Even though spelling on'em has to be adjusted to fit. Just like we know what Mortal Kombat means even though combat is spelled wrong or how to pronounce Ice-T's name even though it isn't spelled Ice Tea. Hold on please tell me you had trouble with either of those?

Yes it is my first language. Yes we can account for that on license plates, game titles and rap names, because those are people's attempts to be creative and having cool names and such. Your typos on the other hand, don't have that same excuse and thus, serve no purpose but to showcase your laziness to utilize the numerous tools of correction.

[RiotGear]

Yes it is my first language. Yes we can account for that on license plates, game titles and rap names, because those are people's attempts to be creative and having cool names and such. Your typos on the other hand, don't have that same excuse and thus, serve no purpose but to showcase your laziness to utilize the numerous tools of correction.

So you can read improper spelling when its on purpose, but not when its accidental? How does that work?

Also in case you some how misunderstood. My post full of spelling errors was not accidental or lazy it was to demonstrate that reading posts full of spelling errors is not as complicated as you've made it out to be and that if they are readable and can communicate their intent then they have fulfilled the purpose of language.

That's not to say I haven't made other spelling and grammatical errors I am sure I have, but I try not to. Though I can say even more so then spelling in some regards. I find proper grammar restrictive and unneeded. Not to mention boring and less dramatic/poetic/creative. Nor do I think it reflects actually speech.

[Nova Force Nova]

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Ok...first of all, let's look at Mortal Kombat and Ice-T. When you say them aloud, they sound the same.

2reedund...yeah...not so much.

[Z451]

So you can read improper spelling when its on purpose, but not when its accidental? How does that work?

Also in case you some how misunderstood. My post full of spelling errors was not accidental or lazy it was to demonstrate that reading posts full of spelling errors is not as complicated as you've made it out to be and that if they are readable and can communicate their intent then they have fulfilled the purpose of language.

That's not to say I haven't made other spelling and grammatical errors I am sure I have, but I try not to. Though I can say even more so then spelling in some regards. I find proper grammar restrictive and unneeded. Not to mention boring and less dramatic/poetic/creative. Nor do I think it reflects actually speech.

Dude, look. he was a wicked man I thought Is just painful to read on so many levels. So is grammer important? Is it important to bring a pen or pencil to school? And spelling, jesus christ, it doesn't take a genius to run something through spell check.

[RiotGear]

Dude, look. he was a wicked man I thought Is just painful to read on so many levels. So is grammer important? Is it important to bring a pen or pencil to school? And spelling, jesus christ, it doesn't take a genius to run something through spell check.

Did you misspell grammar and forgot to capitalize Jesus Christ on purpose. That's clever of you.

[ND7]

Did you misspell grammar and forgot to capitalize Jesus Christ on purpose. That's clever of you.

Says the one who forgets to put a QUESTION mark on the end of a QUESTION. Yes, you are very clever indeed..

EDIT: Oh and it's FORGET bro.

[Jaeger Panzer]

Meh.

The way I've always seen it was that if someone wants to make a match-up without any actual set up, they could use the Rumbles Section. I've done so once or twice but took it a step further and wrote a nice set-up for characters that weren't in the database (Well, one wasn't so, I wasn't going to waste Test Character).

Beyond that, if you're making a match just for the hell of it, kudos... but what about other people looking into said match? What if they want to read something relative to that match? Something made by the creative juices of the person who made said match? Well, they'd be shit out of luck in that aspect. Hence why there's a standard, right? That's how I see it at least.

Match ups are in my opinion, like writing a mini-fan-fiction. And that in of itself could become a part of a whole arc, which could by its end, become a form of fan-fiction itself. Ah, those are fun to read.

Course, if no one bothers to make a set up, well, it spoils the fun for the readers... hence why they get rated bad, no? Yeah, I think that's why there's a rating system, for potential actual writers, and then the Rumbles Section for those lacking the effort to make something decent.

Bleh.

[FoxFingers]

This thread was an enlightening read. I might need to make the requirements lower to scratch a match so that folks not really into the set-up thing keep their characters of interests stats going.

[treacherous]

Did it become enlightening before or after it caught on fire?

[FoxFingers]

Did it become enlightening before or after it caught on fire?

Before and during, I guess. I just didn't realize there was a contingent which viewed the scenario as an imposition.

[FoxFingers]

After reading CBUB matches for a couple months, now, it is interesting how the "Set-Up" runs the gamut. On one end of the spectrum are lengthy, involving and well written Fan-Fiction pieces. On the other end just a sentence asking what people think.

It seems like there is a place for both and they should probably operate by different rules. I will be adding an option to CBUB match maker which allows for a person to choose which type of match they are doing and send the matches to different forums. A Rumbles type match will not have an FPA rating option but still could be "official" in that it gets on a characters fight history by a method other than rating the Set-Up.

[DSkillz]

I like this idea. In fact, I might just do a little something in the forums to help promote this new feature.

BTW, since changes are being made on the CBUB matches' side of things, would it be possible to show characters' secondary images in matches again? It almost seems to be less of a point of adding those extra images to the characters if they don't show anywhere other than in the character's profile.

[Mr. Graves]

Note to Fox: We should probably also make it so that Rumbles don't "use up" the character.

To chime in with my own two cents: The "Purpose" of CBUB has always been a little nebulous (really, the "Purpose" is for the site to act as a nice little resume piece), but the design of it since the inception of player-generated-battles has also always been geared towards encouraging the writing of set-ups; a character can only be in one match at a time, so the ratings system is supposed to reward good writers by allowing them to make matches more often, meaning that they're more likely to be able to use high-demand characters. If the purpose of CBUB was just to say who would win in X vs. Y, there'd be no reason to prevent people from having 100 different "Batman vs. " matches every week.

That isn't to say it isn't possible for someone to get by doing whatever matches they want. I wouldn't be surprised if there have been some people who've been too harsh on fledgling or passive CBUB members. But those members have to also then realize and accept that the site's priorities by design are not really for them. Matches are not listed in order of set-up length, so the people that do want to read interesting set-ups have to look at the same set-up-less matches as people who just go to click on the button for Wolverine, and that's not what CBUB was designed to facilitate.

Or at least, it wasn't. I think having Rumbles-type matches are fine, but I do think if we're going to incorporate them they should be 1) separated from the set-up fights so that people who want to read set-ups don't have to sift through them, and 2) keep them from using up character availability so that if someone wants to write a set-up with Batman in it they don't have to wait for someone who just wanted to slap up another round of Batman vs. Goku or whatever in the Rumbles section to be finished.

[FoxFingers]

Note to Fox: We should probably also make it so that Rumbles don't "use up" the character.

Well... Damn it. The coding for Rumbles was so straightforward until this post. Sucks getting new requirements halfway through the development cycle. lol.

[Mr. Graves]

Doh. Well, if necessary I guess that additional requirement can be something that can be put off for a bit; if there really are not that many matches happening, then it won't be as big of a deal hopefully.

[Square Pickle]

I have questions... If "story telling" will not play a big roll in the new match making section, how does one fail? I mean, if theres nothing to judge them by? Wouldnt their offical matches be judged by how close of a match up it is? or is it an "everybody wins" senerio?

[Mr. Graves]

I would imagine one doesn't fail. It really seems functionally equivalent to making a thread on the forum; the only thing it does is 1) do the formatting for you, and 2) makes it easier for fanboys of particular characters to make matchups so that they can have more win-loss records show up on the character sheets of the characters they are fanboys of. And really, ideally, at some point we'll make it so that these matchups don't count towards those either and that will leave just the formatting thing, but again, this is adding more code functionality to the site that wasn't originally going to be there so it may not show up right away.

[Square Pickle]

Ah. I see... So what were hopefully looking at in the future, is a Rumble section that is handled more like the offical CBUB Battles? Where the people who dont want to be as creative, can make "offical" matches, without being judged. Yet, those of us who write good setups wont have to bother with them using up characters and uncreative setups... Thats what Im getting out of all this anyway. I would love it if this became a reality. Two different versions of the CBUB, for two different types of CBUB fan. The basic fans who came for the fights, and the veterans who have evolved into creative writers over the years (or months)... Great idea.