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[Tarvius]

If the issue at hand really is whether or not peer critiques are a necessary part of the CBUB process, I really don't see a problem. While people like RiotGear may simply enjoy discussing "who beats who" in a very clear-cut manner that's up to them. I mean, I may not agree with this sentiment myself, but going back to my other post, different members are here for different reasons. For some of us, this IS a writing site. For others, this site exist as an outlet for debate. So, to me at least, it's really foolish to sit there and tell the other guy that this site is or isn't something. For example, to me this is a writing site. It always has been for me but I respect the fact that others may not see it as so.

Now back to the matter at hand, if we are to believe that this portion of the site is truly divided between those that argue for the mechanics of the match and those who are here as a creative outlet then it really doesn't make sense for one group to make demands of the other. If a person wants to make a set-up just to see if Predator would beat Blackheart in a poker match, and they're not here for writing advice; there's really no reason that other members should be bombarding him with writing critiques. It's a different case, if the person right out says "What do you think of my set-up? What did you like about it? What didn't you like about it?" then there is an obvious call for criticism. Yet, if the person just wants to discuss power levels there's really no reason to beat his head in for not being a creative well-thought out match. Again, personally, I would much rather see the creative, well-thought out match; I don't give a damn about power levels.

So if you know that the person is more creative leaning or they ask you to critique their writing , then feel free to offer whatever mutual advice you may have. On the other hand, if they don't expressly entail their interest in improving their writing skills, just stay out of it.

That being said, for both of these groups certain guidelines need to be followed; some by unwritten mores of the site itself, and some because they simply don't make sense not to. First of all, the set-ups need to at least be readable. No, this is not meant to insult those of you who do not have English as their native language but there comes a point where one needs to say, "This is grammatically unacceptable." Again, I'm not poking fun at those of you who are grammatically inefficient (for whatever reason), and I'm not expecting you to be perfect but there comes a time when it is your duty as a site community to say that such brutalizations of grammar are not acceptable.

Secondly, there are certain guidelines that a CBUB match NEEDS to have in order for it to be technically following the rules. I know these were written in the previous server's version of the site and I'm not sure they still exist. Anyways, here they are for those of you who are interested:

1.) Setting
2.) At least one paragraph in length
3.) A reason why the members of the match are in conflict with one another

If you don't feel like doing even that minimal amount, feel free to use the Rumble board as previously suggested.


Finally, the site's built in rating system (It's good, It's ok, It's bad) does not count as an actual critique, but as a technical measure designed to keep the site from crashing in on itself. It's really more of a safety net/reward system than a writing critique tool. Because honestly, you cant offer constructive criticism simply by going, "this is terrible!!" So, the use of those ratings isn't REALLY an issue here.


I hope this helps.

[RiotGear]

Rate It: Rate Quality of the Set Up Story and use of characters. <That's why. If they want to be lazy and not write anything, they're going to get bad grades. That's all there is to it. I do agree with you that we don't need tons of comments to point this out. One or two should suffice. And if they don't care and don't want to try to write something coherent, then scratched matches are the result.

I didn't ask for a lesson on how the site works. I asked why? Why bother these people? They are not here for your rating or critiquing. Why ruin their fun? They aren't hurting you or getting in your way or polluting you matches. Why scratch their matches? Why rate? why comment?

And "der 'cuz dis sites let mine" is not answer, just because you can do something doesn't mean you have to or should.

[Hayesmeister5651]

I didn't ask for a lesson on how the site works. I asked why? Why bother these people? They are not here for your rating or critiquing. Why ruin their fun? They aren't hurting you or getting in your way or polluting you matches. Why scratch their matches? Why rate? why comment?

And "der 'cuz dis sites let mine" is not answer, just because you can do something doesn't mean you have to or should.

You are really starting to come off as someone who is butt hurt about getting criticism.

[RiotGear]

Why becuse we care about the characters. Let's use your example Batman doesn' get into random boxing matches so why does Bruce/Dick want to box Peter. In fact isit Bruce or Dick? Spiderman has varying levels of strength which version is it? Have Peter's powers been nullified to make the match fair? Is this a NYC crowd or a Gotham crowd watching, the crowd can affect the outcome of a match. Again I reiterate the first question, why are Batman and Spiderman in a boxing match. It's out of character for Batman so there is the issue of how Bruce and Peter met and this was all set up and why?

I'm always sad that I can't give common sense as an early Christmas present, but I think its safe to say that for most people Bruce Wayne is the default Batman and Spider-man is Spider-man. Now back to reading comprehension I said if characters are handicapped, such as Peter being powerless. Its gonna need to be noted if you feel the same way about location, note it as well. Though I'd hazard to say most people'd naturally default to a neutral location. Even if they didn't most wouldn't consider the crowd, just the men fighting.

The why is not important.

Lets try this..

Who would win in a boxing match between Batman and Spider-man?

[RiotGear]

If the issue at hand really is whether or not peer critiques are a necessary part of the CBUB process, I really don't see a problem. While people like RiotGear may simply enjoy discussing "who beats who" in a very clear-cut manner that's up to them. I mean, I may not agree with this sentiment myself, but going back to my other post, different members are here for different reasons. For some of us, this IS a writing site. For others, this site exist as an outlet for debate. So, to me at least, it's really foolish to sit there and tell the other guy that this site is or isn't something. For example, to me this is a writing site. It always has been for me but I respect the fact that others may not see it as so.

Now back to the matter at hand, if we are to believe that this portion of the site is truly divided between those that argue for the mechanics of the match and those who are here as a creative outlet then it really doesn't make sense for one group to make demands of the other. If a person wants to make a set-up just to see if Predator would beat Blackheart in a poker match, and they're not here for writing advice; there's really no reason that other members should be bombarding him with writing critiques. It's a different case, if the person right out says "What do you think of my set-up? What did you like about it? What didn't you like about it?" then there is an obvious call for criticism. Yet, if the person just wants to discuss power levels there's really no reason to beat his head in for not being a creative well-thought out match. Again, personally, I would much rather see the creative, well-thought out match; I don't give a damn about power levels.

So if you know that the person is more creative leaning or they ask you to critique their writing , then feel free to offer whatever mutual advice you may have. On the other hand, if they don't expressly entail their interest in improving their writing skills, just stay out of it.

Agreed, you've got it.

That being said, for both of these groups certain guidelines need to be followed; some by unwritten mores of the site itself, and some because they simply don't make sense not to. First of all, the set-ups need to at least be readable. No, this is not meant to insult those of you who do not have English as their native language but there comes a point where one needs to say, "This is grammatically unacceptable." Again, I'm not poking fun at those of you who are grammatically inefficient (for whatever reason), and I'm not expecting you to be perfect but there comes a time when it is your duty as a site community to say that such brutalizations of grammar are not acceptable.

Secondly, there are certain guidelines that a CBUB match NEEDS to have in order for it to be technically following the rules. I know these were written in the previous server's version of the site and I'm not sure they still exist. Anyways, here they are for those of you who are interested:

1.) Setting
2.) At least one paragraph in length
3.) A reason why the members of the match are in conflict with one another

If you don't feel like doing even that minimal amount, feel free to use the Rumble board as previously suggested.


Finally, the site's built in rating system (It's good, It's ok, It's bad) does not count as an actual critique, but as a technical measure designed to keep the site from crashing in on itself. It's really more of a safety net/reward system than a writing critique tool. Because honestly, you cant offer constructive criticism simply by going, "this is terrible!!" So, the use of those ratings isn't REALLY an issue here.


I hope this helps.

And with all do respect. You lost it.

[The Technomancer of Nesh]

Agreed, you've got it.



And with all do respect. You lost it.

There is a writing component do this site. That's just the way it is, we have an outlet for those who don't want to put the effort in, it's the rumbles form It doesn't have set-up space. If set-up weren't important for matches we wouldn't have a place to imput them.

[RiotGear]

You are really starting to come off as someone who is butt hurt about getting criticism.

Not sure what to say to that, but I'll point out it was not criticism of myself that prompted this discussion, but rather my defense of other member of the communities right to make matches and have fun.

[Tarvius]

And with all do respect. You lost it.

Care to tell me what you disagree with?

[RiotGear]

There is a writing component do this site. That's just the way it is, we have an outlet for those who don't want to put the effort in, it's the rumbles form It doesn't have set-up space. If set-up weren't important for matches we wouldn't have a place to imput them.

The set up space is their because somebody put it their, its not some sort of natural imperative. That evolved on its own.

And once again just cause you can write a set up doesn't mean you should have to.

[Tarvius]

The set-up is a part of the site's acceptable standard of quality. The FPL has standards, and believe it or not the CBUB does too. It's all a part of how the "game" actually works.

[shellsbut]

a place to waste some extra time and have a little fun doing it

[The Technomancer of Nesh]

The set up space is their because somebody put it their, its not some sort of natural imperative. That evolved on its own.

And once again just cause you can write a set up doesn't mean you should have to.

You like to lean on the battles part of the name to maje you point. Let me focus on the Comic Book Universe part of the name. What is the driving force behind a comic book universe and spawns all its battles? That would be story and plot. We don't carre about these characters and want to make matches with them just because they can Punch stuff. No, it's the characters we care abot, not the powers, we're fans and as fans want to see the characters used well.

[RiotGear]

Care to tell me what you disagree with?

Well..

That being said, for both of these groups certain guidelines need to be followed; some by unwritten mores of the site itself, and some because they simply don't make sense not to. First of all, the set-ups need to at least be readable. No, this is not meant to insult those of you who do not have English as their native language but there comes a point where one needs to say, "This is grammatically unacceptable." Again, I'm not poking fun at those of you who are grammatically inefficient (for whatever reason), and I'm not expecting you to be perfect but there comes a time when it is your duty as a site community to say that such brutalizations of grammar are not acceptable.

Secondly, there are certain guidelines that a CBUB match NEEDS to have in order for it to be technically following the rules. I know these were written in the previous server's version of the site and I'm not sure they still exist. Anyways, here they are for those of you who are interested:

1.) Setting
2.) At least one paragraph in length
3.) A reason why the members of the match are in conflict with one another

If you don't feel like doing even that minimal amount, feel free to use the Rumble board as previously suggested.


Finally, the site's built in rating system (It's good, It's ok, It's bad) does not count as an actual critique, but as a technical measure designed to keep the site from crashing in on itself. It's really more of a safety net/reward system than a writing critique tool. Because honestly, you cant offer constructive criticism simply by going, "this is terrible!!" So, the use of those ratings isn't REALLY an issue here.

That. Yeah pretty much all of it. If the grammar or spelling is so bad we can't understand it. You might have a point, but I doubt that's what you are saying.

Also, uh you don't need a paragraph to say Batman and Spider-man duke it out on a Chicago street. Hell you don't need that to say who would win in a fight. Nor does one need or at least should not need to know why they are fighting to weigh in on the out come.

I've been over the problem with the lets use the Rumbles Board as a fall back/scape goat goat thing already.

Further how is the rating system a safety net?

Basically the second half of your post completely contradicts the first halves attempt at bi-partisanship on the subject. You go from saying. If people just wants who would win, the let'em have it to. You must write set up or die. You go from don't rate people who don't want it to the board needs the rating system to survive.

In other words your bias is showing.

[RiotGear]

You like to lean on the battles part of the name to maje you point. Let me focus on the Comic Book Universe part of the name. What is the driving force behind a comic book universe and spawns all its battles? That would be story and plot. We don't carre about these characters and want to make matches with them just because they can Punch stuff. No, it's the characters we care abot, not the powers, we're fans and as fans want to see the characters used well.

I can pretty well assure you this site started with who would win a fight? Not I wonder in character how these characters would interact. That Aside I have never faulted some body who wants to have that discussion. Or write extensive set ups, if that is what they want to do. What I have faulted people for doing is trying to force there way of doing things on other members of the board who may not have the same interests.

I'll give you credit though. Using the Comic Book Universe part of the name as your launching point for a come back was creative.

[Nova Force Nova]

Why can't we both exist and stop making a big deal out of it?

[The Technomancer of Nesh]

I can pretty well assure you this site started with who would win a fight? Not I wonder in character how these characters would interact. That Aside I have never faulted some body who wants to have that discussion. Or write extensive set ups, if that is what they want to do. What I have faulted people for doing is trying to force there way of doing things on other members of the board who may not have the same interests.

I'll give you credit though. Using the Comic Book Universe part of the name as your launching point for a come back was creative.

I'm sorry but it seems to me you are trying to force us ti adhere to your view and not care about the writing quality, you want us all to stop what we're doing? Even the offical matches have a great deal of detail in them in the end. There has always been a writing component even if the emembers weren't involved in the actual writing. Scenario matters.

[Z451]

In other words your bias is showing.

And hate to be blunt but so is yours.
You haven't even really attempted to see our point of view around here.

[RiotGear]

The set-up is a part of the site's acceptable standard of quality. The FPL has standards, and believe it or not the CBUB does too. It's all a part of how the "game" actually works.

Just to clarify are you ending the discussion via the word of god as an Admin or stating your opinion.

Because if the above is the absolute unshakable truth, then I see little reason to continue this thread(though I might anyway) and will watch in vain as the CBUB continues to be over run by elitist trolls and withers to the point that it resembles its dysfunctional relative the FPL or becomes a ghost town entirely.

If on the other hand its your opinion up for debate I'll happily continue this conversation in hopes that some good comes out it.

[RakaiThwei]

What I have faulted people for doing is trying to force there way of doing things on other members of the board who may not have the same interests.

Okay, you kind of have something of a point there. Why I don't agree with it entirely, you have something of a point there.

I am a writer by hobby, I have not written anything professional that has been published and usually tend to lean towards the fanfiction region of writing. I am not a professional writer, nor do I have a doctorate or degree in an English or Writing major. I have however taken Creative Writing in High School, but that's it. I just write mostly for fun, and for my readers to enjoy whatever it is that I write. I write mostly for them and myself.

While I do have standards for writing, I am not really one to force my views on how matches should be done but there is such thing as butchering. I've seen matches where people have written the characters, completely out of character and with the dialogue that only a fifth grader could come up with while playing with toys out from his toy box. Like for example, let's say I take... Batman and Ryu.

Batman flies across Gotham City and sees Ryu. He doesn't like Ryu because he thinks he's better than him.

Batman: Hey Ryu, you're an asshole! I can beat you up and I'm better than you!

Ryu: You're not better than me, bitch! IT'S ON!!

WHO WINS?

See? I've seen matches written similarly, or worse than that. Now differing formatting, style of writing, all of that is fine but when we're talking about something like the above posted where a potentially good idea has been butchered, then there are standards which at least should be met.

-Rakai'Thwei

[DamagingRob]

I didn't ask for a lesson on how the site works. I asked why? Why bother these people? They are not here for your rating or critiquing. Why ruin their fun? They aren't hurting you or getting in your way or polluting you matches. Why scratch their matches? Why rate? why comment?

And "der 'cuz dis sites let mine" is not answer, just because you can do something doesn't mean you have to or should.

You do realize if no one rates a match, it gets scratched anyways?