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Posted 11 July 2011 - 01:00 PM

I'm out(throws hands up)

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Posted 11 July 2011 - 04:07 PM

Wait, I thought it was stated they were equal to The Presence and The One Above All, not above them? Jeez this is getting confusing. :/

I don't think the Brothers were ever directly compared to The One Above All or The Presence, but the Brothers are supposedly embodiments of the entirety of the DC and Marvel multiverses. This would mean that TOAA and The Presence, being part of their respective multiverses, would be 'part' of each of the Brothers, meaning that they'd be inferior to them. A few characters (Such as the Living Tribunal and The Spectre [At least, I think Spectre is aware of the Presence's existence, correct me if I'm wrong]) in the DC and Marvel multiverses are actually aware of and even report to TOAA and The Presence, whereas neither the Living Tribunal or The Spectre had any knowledge of The Brothers prior to their awakening.

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Posted 12 July 2011 - 04:19 AM

No, the Brothers are the physical embodiments of the Marvel and DC multiverses respectively; Meaning that they are far above both TOAA and the Presence. Think of it like this; The Presence and The One Above All are representation of the writers working for each company, whereas the Brothers are essentially representations of the companies themselves.



YEs but that was reworked/retconned by MArvel making TLT superuior to both. DcC never did so hence MArvel>DC even LTL>DC


Not sure why DC did not do the same but they did not so that's that.

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Posted 12 July 2011 - 04:26 AM

He didn't call them multiversal, he stated that they created the DC Multiverse - there's a difference.
Also, I'm fairly certain that TOAA has never been shown as Omniversal. The omniverse is EVERYTHING - A nexus of universes containing everything from Marvel to Real Life to Middle-Earth. Everything that I've read about TOAA points to him being confined to the vast Marvel multiverse - there's never been any evidence that he could pop up in the Nightmare on Elm Street or Harry Potter universes if he wished to.

And seriously, regarding the "TLT > DCU" thing... The Living Tribunal has stated on numerous occasions that he is both servant and inferior to The One Above All. You keep bringing up that one non-canon comic book where The Living Tribunal overpowered the Brother, but you seem to be ignoring some key facts:

One, that the Brothers were weakened and being drained of energy.

Two, that the Living Tribunal was being powered up by an outside source.

And three, that Adventures of X-Men is non-canon.

Facts one and two mean that the Spectre (Being equal to the Living Tribunal) or TOAA or the Presence (Being the superiors of The Living Tribunal and the Spectre respectively) could have done the same. When the two Brothers were battling at full power in DC vs Marvel, the combined efforts of the Spectre and the Living Tribunal were absolutely useless. They were so utterly weak compared to the Brothers that they either weren't even noticed by the Brothers or were simply too little a threat to destroy.

Fact three means that this is all moot anyway, as both DC vs Marvel and Adventures of X-Men are now non-canon (Meaning that canonically the Brothers probably don't even exist any more).



Nothing states they are non cannon now. Just you says that. TLT working with the Spectre was said to be an Mbody

TOAA > TLT >The Brothers > DC going by published comics which clearly may suck but facts are facts

show exactly where this was retconned, it wasnt by DC and Marvel slipped it in there. Its not the first time the companies have done little things like this. The Authority beat the Avengers and Hulk killed Doomsady with a blaster cannon. They always try to sneak things by the other

Even if The PResence and TOAA are eqaul and Multiversal it still shows TLT > everything else DC outside TP TOAA

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Posted 13 July 2011 - 01:45 PM

The Adventures of the X-men is set in a continuity with the X-men TV-show from from the 90's and thus has nothing to do with normal continuity.

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Posted 13 July 2011 - 05:10 PM

The Adventures of the X-men is set in a continuity with the X-men TV-show from from the 90's and thus has nothing to do with normal continuity.


says you. And Lucifer Morningstar is not that special the more I read about him. He is powerless is some dimension and his powers dont even work unless there is existing matter or reality to shape and effect. HEll JAspers could just send him to a void dimension and thats the end of him, He could never get out.

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Posted 13 July 2011 - 05:38 PM

says you.

http://en.wikipedia....-Men_Adventures

The comics' final issue even diffrentiates between the X-Men Animated universe and Earth-616.

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Posted 13 July 2011 - 05:41 PM

http://en.wikipedia....-Men_Adventures

The comics' final issue even diffrentiates between the X-Men Animated universe and Earth-616.



ok fine doesnt change the Fact MorningStar is not on the same level as TLT which started the argument. He has limitaions He is powerless is some dimension and his powers dont even work unless he has raw material to work with. Drop him in a void and thats the end problem over.

Still a good idea MArvel Retconned it though

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Posted 13 July 2011 - 05:45 PM

Some one should add the Brothers

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Posted 13 July 2011 - 05:51 PM

ok fine doesnt change the Fact MorningStar is not on the same level as TLT which started the argument. He has limitaions He is powerless is some dimension and his powers dont even work unless he has raw material to work with. Drop him in a void and thats the end problem over.

Still a good idea MArvel Retconned it though

God shellsbut do you actually READ others people's posts? No one said Lucifer is equal to the Tribunal, when he is with his brother he is equal to TOAA or the Presence. One creates, and one manipulates.

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Posted 13 July 2011 - 05:53 PM

God shellsbut do you actually READ others people's posts? No one said Lucifer is equal to the Tribunal, when he is with his brother he is equal to TOAA or the Presence. One creates, and one manipulates.



???? YES they DID states they were even more powerful then TLT and no where does it state with his brother he ='s The PResence. No where it states that the is opinion. All he and his brther accomplish is getting over their own weaknesess nothing about on par with TLT or Nemesis

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Posted 13 July 2011 - 05:54 PM

Did you read the comments???YES they DID states they were even more powerful then TLT

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Posted 13 July 2011 - 06:00 PM

???? YES they DID states they were even more powerful then TLT and no where does it state with his brother he ='s The PResence. No where it states that is opinion. All he and his brother accomplish is getting over their own weaknesess nothing about them put them on par with TLT or Nemesis

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