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#141 force_echo

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Posted 18 June 2011 - 03:08 PM

Just repsonding to your demeanor from all other debates, no one knows what you know nd course how could they in your warped reality. Even IF Supes attacks, he wouldnt beat Darkseid before he can counter. Darkseid's invulnerability is high enough to take Supes hits and still fight back by simply making a force field and then attacking.

Superman can not win outside of a comic. Darkseid would win 10 out of 10 times.

-Sigh- At least do the courtesy or reading the Wikia if nothing else. Superman's punches hurt Darkseid on a regular basis, and thats at normal speed. A punch going massively FTL is going to have a lot more impact (I'm trying to put this into layman's terms, hopefully its working), not only that, Darkseid's going to have THOUSANDS of punches before he can even react. Imagine Flash's Mass Punch, excpet instead of regular strength, with Superman's strength. YEah. Seid is screwed.

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Posted 18 June 2011 - 03:11 PM

-Sigh- At least do the courtesy or reading the Wikia if nothing else. Superman's punches hurt Darkseid on a regular basis, and thats at normal speed. A punch going massively FTL is going to have a lot more impact (I'm trying to put this into layman's terms, hopefully its working), not only that, Darkseid's going to have THOUSANDS of punches before he can even react. Imagine Flash's Mass Punch, excpet instead of regular strength, with Superman's strength. YEah. Seid is screwed.

Until he gets hit and says ow and throughs up a force field or back hands Superman away. Darkseid knows Superman's powers and limits. What ever Superman can do he can couter with his own abilities or the OE. Again, if Supeman hits him it will hurt and maybe a lot but not enough to stop Seid and that will allow him to react and then he wins.

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Posted 18 June 2011 - 03:15 PM

Until he gets hit and says ow and throughs up a force field or back hands Superman away. Darkseid knows Superman's powers and limits. What ever Superman can do he can couter with his own abilities or the OE. Again, if Supeman hits him it will hurt and maybe a lot but not enough to stop Seid and that will allow him to react and then he wins.

Do you even know how to read? Darkseid would get knocked out before he even knws that there's a battle going on. As soon as Supes pulls that Infinite Mass Punch, he's down. There IS no counter.

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Posted 18 June 2011 - 03:15 PM

Until he gets hit and says ow and throughs up a force field or back hands Superman away. Darkseid knows Superman's powers and limits. What ever Superman can do he can couter with his own abilities or the OE. Again, if Supeman hits him it will hurt and maybe a lot but not enough to stop Seid and that will allow him to react and then he wins.

Dude why are you still arguing with him. remember don't feed the trolls.

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Posted 18 June 2011 - 03:16 PM

Dude why are you still arguing with him. remember don't feed the trolls.

Lol. Best Pot and Kettle I've seen on this entire site.

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Posted 18 June 2011 - 03:21 PM

Dude why are you still arguing with him. remember don't feed the trolls.

notice how he attacks everyone not on his side. Neglected child syndrome.

By the time Sups gets to Lightspeed Darkseid will have reacted.

Also did you ever think that knowing Superman's abilities Darkseid would through up a shield while Supes is going through the "you'll never get away with this" speech.

What about the fact that Superman as a character wont kill. Darkseid wont hesitate if he wants too.

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Posted 18 June 2011 - 03:26 PM

notice how he attacks everyone not on his side. Neglected child syndrome.

By the time Sups gets to Lightspeed Darkseid will have reacted.

Also did you ever think that knowing Superman's abilities Darkseid would through up a shield while Supes is going through the "you'll never get away with this" speech.

What about the fact that Superman as a character wont kill. Darkseid wont hesitate if he wants too.

First off, Supes is capable of going lightspeed without negligible acceleration, just like Flash is, in fact, he tagged Wally West while West got a head start. Again, in CBUB, the characters are instantly placed in a combat situation, there will be no speech. Superman dpsen't have to kill him, just knock him out.

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Posted 18 June 2011 - 10:04 PM

First off, Supes is capable of going lightspeed without negligible acceleration, just like Flash is, in fact, he tagged Wally West while West got a head start. Again, in CBUB, the characters are instantly placed in a combat situation, there will be no speech. Superman dpsen't have to kill him, just knock him out.

The characters can not go straight to light speed. In Flash Rebirth they specifically state that they are building up to light speed and then once they achieve it they sped up again to run back in time. So no, they cant. Flash is faster than Supes and even he has to build up to it. So your point is moot.

Darkseid wins!

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Posted 18 June 2011 - 11:05 PM

Looking through this thread through out the debating and I havent seen a way for Superman to actually win.

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Posted 19 June 2011 - 07:36 AM

Looking through this thread through out the debating and I havent seen a way for Superman to actually win.

LMAO its funny that ONLY one person(force_echo) believes superman can win. lol This is a debate where its 7 to 1. lol The one thing to learn here is its best to ignore him. Notice how sirmethos doesn't even respond to him and bailed out long ago. When you have fanboys like this proof isn't proof. We just made up these stats on Darkseid. lmao

Oh I got a way to end this debate.
We all saw the scan of darkseid teleporting superman away right? Well if darkseid can teleport superman anywhere he likes AND can time travel how in the hell could superman win? Can superman time travel or teleport back from where ever Darkseid sends him? NO so...............................................

Darkseid sends him to a red sun and leave him there. FLAWLESS victory.

THREAD OVER

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Posted 19 June 2011 - 01:41 PM

The characters can not go straight to light speed. In Flash Rebirth they specifically state that they are building up to light speed and then once they achieve it they sped up again to run back in time. So no, they cant. Flash is faster than Supes and even he has to build up to it. So your point is moot.

Darkseid wins!

That's pure BS. Wally West has gone from 0 to 7.5 milion C before. Superman has consistently been stated as having FTL reflexes, even WW has Light speed reflexes. When Superman outraced a double black hole, he didn't accelerate, if he did, its so small it dosen't even have an efect on his speed, the same thing when he flew millions of light years to Hal Jordan. One panel he lifted off, the next he was there with no indiciation of acceleration. These characters DO go from 0 to multiple C with little to no acceleration.

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Posted 19 June 2011 - 03:34 PM

That's pure BS. Wally West has gone from 0 to 7.5 milion C before. Superman has consistently been stated as having FTL reflexes, even WW has Light speed reflexes. When Superman outraced a double black hole, he didn't accelerate, if he did, its so small it dosen't even have an efect on his speed, the same thing when he flew millions of light years to Hal Jordan. One panel he lifted off, the next he was there with no indiciation of acceleration. These characters DO go from 0 to multiple C with little to no acceleration.

Not if you actaully READ the comic. In Flash Rebirth both Barry Allen and Wally West are trying to catch up with Zoom and state they have to try and run faster. The have to try and pick up speed to reach light speed.

During the entire scene both and struggling to run faster and faster trying to pick up speed. So no. The fastest person in DC has to BUILD UP to lightspeed. He doesnt just automatically achieve it.

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Posted 19 June 2011 - 05:10 PM

Not if you actaully READ the comic. In Flash Rebirth both Barry Allen and Wally West are trying to catch up with Zoom and state they have to try and run faster. The have to try and pick up speed to reach light speed.

During the entire scene both and struggling to run faster and faster trying to pick up speed. So no. The fastest person in DC has to BUILD UP to lightspeed. He doesnt just automatically achieve it.

Again, that acceleration would be negligable in real time. If you actually read any other Flash comic or Superman comic, to anyone outside of the person himself, it seems like he's going through no acceleration. There are literally thousands of scans that support this. In Rebirth, they were actually trying to catch up with someone who was at least as fast as they are, to Darkseid's nowhere near as fast as Zoom. To Seid's infinitely slower self, he won't even know what's coming. As soon as the match starts, he'll be down for the count.

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Posted 19 June 2011 - 09:21 PM

Again, that acceleration would be negligable in real time. If you actually read any other Flash comic or Superman comic, to anyone outside of the person himself, it seems like he's going through no acceleration. There are literally thousands of scans that support this. In Rebirth, they were actually trying to catch up with someone who was at least as fast as they are, to Darkseid's nowhere near as fast as Zoom. To Seid's infinitely slower self, he won't even know what's coming. As soon as the match starts, he'll be down for the count.

Still no because Superman is nowhere near strong enough to one hit Darkseid. Not even sundipped has Supes achieved one hitting Darkseid.

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Posted 20 June 2011 - 01:24 PM

Still no because Superman is nowhere near strong enough to one hit Darkseid. Not even sundipped has Supes achieved one hitting Darkseid.

This is it. I can't f*cking take "debating" with this utter and complete retard anymore. You're not even reading what I'm saying, do you have dyslexia? Is the font too small for you? Or is this another case of Falcon being a complete dumbass and thinking he can win a debate by simply ignoring the other people's argument?

For the record, this is the third time I'm saying this, and the third time you've reacted like a dumbass and blanked out. Superman will not hit Seid once at the speed of light, he will hit him THOUSANDS of times in the of less than ONE nanosecond. Here's logic for you, Flash with his Infinite MAss Punch can hurt beings 1,000,000 times stronger than him. Imagine Supes using the same technique against Darkseid, who has 1 times the durability of Superman. The punches will be coming at lightspeed, since you probably have not gone to high school and taken a physics class, a punch at light speed will hurt approximately 90,000,000,000,000,000 times more than a "regular" punch. Imagine thousands or even hundreds of these in straight succession, to a being who gets hurt by Supe's normal punches.

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Posted 20 June 2011 - 03:23 PM

This is it. I can't f*cking take "debating" with this utter and complete retard anymore. You're not even reading what I'm saying, do you have dyslexia? Is the font too small for you? Or is this another case of Falcon being a complete dumbass and thinking he can win a debate by simply ignoring the other people's argument?

For the record, this is the third time I'm saying this, and the third time you've reacted like a dumbass and blanked out. Superman will not hit Seid once at the speed of light, he will hit him THOUSANDS of times in the of less than ONE nanosecond. Here's logic for you, Flash with his Infinite MAss Punch can hurt beings 1,000,000 times stronger than him. Imagine Supes using the same technique against Darkseid, who has 1 times the durability of Superman. The punches will be coming at lightspeed, since you probably have not gone to high school and taken a physics class, a punch at light speed will hurt approximately 90,000,000,000,000,000 times more than a "regular" punch. Imagine thousands or even hundreds of these in straight succession, to a being who gets hurt by Supe's normal punches.

and you ignored the fact that they have to build up to that speed. Darkseid is shown superior. All have admitted that Supes doesnt stand a chance but Im just the stubborn one that will continue to prove you wrong and yes you have been proven wrong in ALL of our debates.

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Posted 20 June 2011 - 05:19 PM

Holy crap this is still going?

For the record Falcon your wrong as Flash does not have to build up to light speed and go past it. Wally West can reach light speed quickly and so can Bart Allen. Both have said they could very easily tap into the speed force and go beyond FTL. LOL I can't believe that part is even in question. Superman too with ease and in minutes could shoot right up to light speed. (Superman would take a few minutes to reach FTL while Flash would take seconds)

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Posted 20 June 2011 - 05:51 PM

No, they can go light speed almost instantly, like Superman has shown on almost every occasion he went FTL. He's NEVER had to build speed to go FTL, he just zooms, and if he does have to, its so quick thats its negligable. Flash said that, because relative to the speed they and Zoom, a superfast being at least as fast as the Flash, it was a while. To Darkseid, who's nowhere near Zoom's speed, it won't make a difference. Yeah right, the only way you've won anything is in your deluded fantasy world.

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Posted 20 June 2011 - 06:06 PM

No, they can go light speed almost instantly, like Superman has shown on almost every occasion he went FTL. He's NEVER had to build speed to go FTL, he just zooms, and if he does have to, its so quick thats its negligable. Flash said that, because relative to the speed they and Zoom, a superfast being at least as fast as the Flash, it was a while. To Darkseid, who's nowhere near Zoom's speed, it won't make a difference. Yeah right, the only way you've won anything is in your deluded fantasy world.

Myself and ALL the others will have to agree to disagree because we all see it one way and you see it another.




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