Lightsabers, from Young Jedi Knights:
"Qorl stood inside the training chamber holding a wicked-looking spear in his black-wrapped left hand. His droid replacement gripped the gleaming shaft with enough force to dent the metal."
"He cocked his droid arm back - and hurled the deadly weapon ..."
"Norys slammed into the wall, his helmet ringing against the hard metal bulkhead. His vision sparkled with impending unconsciousness."
"He looked down at his chest in amazement and saw only a nick in the white armor where the spear had struck."
No modern day weapon has the momentum or kinetic energy to pick a man off his feet and slam him into a nearby wall. Note also that the armor wasn't penetrated, it had a "nick".
Yeah, but a .30-06 rifle round actually has more kinetic energy than a heavy spear. It's different physics. Modern rounds still knock people over often, even if their armor takes the impact completely. Additionally, a person wearing a Kevlar vest can take a shotgun slug without penetration. But that slug still has sufficient momentum, mass, etc. to break bones and cause internal bleeding.
And I don't necessarily interpret that quote as him actually traveling backwards through the air to hit a bulkhead. For all we know, he could have staggered backwards, his head recoiling to hit the bulkhead. Something a modern round can do.
Right, and Skir's own words:
"a Normal pistol could do that too...
Not only that, but the same effect of a Smoldering bullet wound could easily be caused by a .50 Deagal with Incendiary rounds.
As for the Smoldering hole in the wall, true it is a good feat, but I would think that a large Rifle with Incendiary or HE rounds could pull off something similar."
So, he's saying that the E-11's bolts and their effects are comparable to either a .50 Deagle with incendiary rounds, or a large rifle with incendiary or HE rounds. Which is why I asked him if he still says modern armor (or modern soldiers wearing that armor) can survive and still fight after being hit with a round that he just described as being comparable to those things.
Meh, I wasn't trying to butt in on this argument. I saw that you had asked about surviving an HE/incendiary round hit. I answered that question, giving you a data point to consider. I don't have a dog in this fight, so to speak.
Yes, but Skir's saying here that they probably have bullets the same as ours (based on nothing more than the props used in the movies), with probably the same materials. I'm saying that we know they have access to far superior materials, to such an extent that one of those materials is used in chairs and in hulls for spaceships. Of course it will be off a different quality than the one used in chairs or hulls, but the point is that it would also be of a different quality than modern rounds.
I see the point you're making, but it being a different quality from modern rounds doesn't make them better. It makes them unquantifiable for the most part, at least for our uses.