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#61 Jaeger Panzer

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Posted 21 December 2010 - 06:31 PM

Juggernaut, Thanos, Galactus, Pheonix, Surfer, PC Superman... I don't think I've added anything new...

I just wanted to say there's no way Hulk could survive, Maestro was vaporized by a nuke strength Gamma Bomb and he was I believe the strongest incarnation of Hulk.

Maestro actually came back from that. -.-

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Posted 21 December 2010 - 09:04 PM

The enterprise (NCC-1701) its taken on planet busters (the doomsday machine and veger) been hit and lived. For that matter the doomsday machine's netronium hull might hold up.
In terms of people any real vampire (Dracula, Baron Blood, etc.) They have a very specific list of things that can kill them, and though they might survive the vacum of space they would need some shade
Shadowcat, Photon, the Martian Manhunter, the Vision anyone who can go intangible.
Ultron and Luke Cage both indestructable

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Posted 22 December 2010 - 01:51 PM

Luke Cage is far from indestructable.

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Posted 12 February 2011 - 09:00 PM

only one person can survive a full on blast from the death star.... Goku!!

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Posted 12 February 2011 - 09:03 PM

only one person can survive a full on blast from the death star.... Goku!!


I think The Dark Prince is here mainly to make DBZ fans look dumb. :(

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Posted 12 February 2011 - 09:04 PM

His posts, which are so full of stupidity that the amount alone is just staggering, enrages me...

He does bring a bad name upon those that enjoy Dragon Ball... and its affiliates.

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Posted 13 February 2011 - 02:04 PM

The Enterprise certainly can't do it, as it's threatened by far weaker weaponry all the time. I'm not sure how Wonder Woman could block the beam with her bracelents, seeing as how the beam is several meters across (it'd engulf her entire body) and I'm not sure how vampires are going to survive it.

How would Aquaman, Namor and Juggernaught survive?

Also, I'd like to point out that the Ki blasts in Dragon Ball are different than energy weapons in other settings. In DBZ these energy blasts can be grabbed (I hope I don't have to point out the absurdity of grabbing a ball of energy), they don't exhibit any thermal properties (whent hey hit the ground they smash it instead of melting it) and I'm pretty sure they don't move as fast as the DS superlaser beam does.

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Posted 13 February 2011 - 02:11 PM

Sentry can survive in a Sun, So I think he can survive it and also Hulk has been launch at a meteorite 2 times the size of earth.


BTW, I dunno about this Sentry guy but the DS superlaser is several times more powerful than a single star, especially if "sun" in this context is talking about an average sun like ours.

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Posted 13 February 2011 - 03:17 PM

BTW, I dunno about this Sentry guy but the DS superlaser is several times more powerful than a single star, especially if "sun" in this context is talking about an average sun like ours.


There's also inverse square law. Even if a super nova hit him, he wouldn't have been hit by an equal yield to the Death Star's beam. I doubt he would be hit by a planet busting yield, either.

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Posted 13 February 2011 - 03:38 PM

The Enterprise certainly can't do it, as it's threatened by far weaker weaponry all the time. I'm not sure how Wonder Woman could block the beam with her bracelents, seeing as how the beam is several meters across (it'd engulf her entire body) and I'm not sure how vampires are going to survive it.

How would Aquaman, Namor and Juggernaught survive?

Also, I'd like to point out that the Ki blasts in Dragon Ball are different than energy weapons in other settings. In DBZ these energy blasts can be grabbed (I hope I don't have to point out the absurdity of grabbing a ball of energy), they don't exhibit any thermal properties (whent hey hit the ground they smash it instead of melting it) and I'm pretty sure they don't move as fast as the DS superlaser beam does.

It's repitition of weaker weapons. The enterprise took direct shots from the Doomsday Machine (two either of which would destroy a planet It then uses it again to further break it up, but it is enough to reduce a planet to space rubble and veger was seen having absorbed planets" Second vampires could survive, simply because it wouldn't kill them. they have a very specific list of what can kill them and superlasers aren't on it.

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Posted 13 February 2011 - 03:49 PM

It's repitition of weaker weapons. The enterprise took direct shots from the Doomsday Machine (two either of which would destroy a planet It then uses it again to further break it up, but it is enough to reduce a planet to space rubble


And yet it cannot generate 97 megatons - many orders of magnitudes below planet busting. It's probably an unquantifiable technobabble weapon.

veger was seen having absorbed planets"


And yet another unquantifiable thing.

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Posted 13 February 2011 - 04:06 PM

It's repitition of weaker weapons.


Even if we use megatons for their guns, being threatened by several MTs over the course of a battle is enough to show that it can't take planet destroying firepower. It's like saying that because someone has withstood 15 splinters at once then they can take the round of a main battle tanks cannon.

The enterprise took direct shots from the Doomsday Machine (two either of which would destroy a planet It then uses it again to further break it up, but it is enough to reduce a planet to space rubble and veger was seen having absorbed planets"


Where's your proof that the DoomsDay Machine hit the Enterprise with a full powered blast from it's pure anti-proton beam?

The V'ger is never actually shown to have destroyed the galaxies, star systems and planets it had in it's databanks. For all we know it couldn't, and simply scanned them entirely and put them in it's 3D imaging system.

Second vampires could survive, simply because it wouldn't kill them. they have a very specific list of what can kill them and superlasers aren't on it.


I don't buy it. The reason people say vampires/werewolfs/other monsters from the past could only be killed by stakes into the heart, decapitation, silver bullets, garlic, etc is because back then they didn't have the required tools to make explosives, planet destroying super lasers etc.

I mean think about it for a moment. A vampire's chest ISN"T made up of uber-material so strong that it's invulnerable, it can be pierced with a wooden stake FFS. Vampires could also be killed by incineration in some cultures, hence, a energy weapon of sufficient power could kill a vampire. Hell, in the Balkans vampires could be killed by being shot repeatedly, or by drowning. Hell, even going by the "The SUN kills vampires!" thing, lasers should do it just fine.

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Posted 13 February 2011 - 05:22 PM

Even if we use megatons for their guns, being threatened by several MTs over the course of a battle is enough to show that it can't take planet destroying firepower. It's like saying that because someone has withstood 15 splinters at once then they can take the round of a main battle tanks cannon.



Where's your proof that the DoomsDay Machine hit the Enterprise with a full powered blast from it's pure anti-proton beam?

The V'ger is never actually shown to have destroyed the galaxies, star systems and planets it had in it's databanks. For all we know it couldn't, and simply scanned them entirely and put them in it's 3D imaging system.



I don't buy it. The reason people say vampires/werewolfs/other monsters from the past could only be killed by stakes into the heart, decapitation, silver bullets, garlic, etc is because back then they didn't have the required tools to make explosives, planet destroying super lasers etc.

I mean think about it for a moment. A vampire's chest ISN"T made up of uber-material so strong that it's invulnerable, it can be pierced with a wooden stake FFS. Vampires could also be killed by incineration in some cultures, hence, a energy weapon of sufficient power could kill a vampire. Hell, in the Balkans vampires could be killed by being shot repeatedly, or by drowning. Hell, even going by the "The SUN kills vampires!" thing, lasers should do it just fine.

Norman Spinrad was displeased with the model used for the planet killer. As he told Allan Asherman in The Star Trek Interview Book, he envisioned the planet killer bristling with all sorts of evil-looking weapons.

The Star Trek Concordance refers to the device as the "Berserker"; the The Monsters of Star Trek also used the berserker moniker in describing the weapon. It is also of note that the sketch of the berserker, titled "doomsday machine", that appeared in the Concordance was sketched by future franchise staffer, Greg Jein.

The Ships of the Line book states that that the Planet Killer once had been the monster Spinrad envisioned, boasting a "complete arsenal of weaponry", but centuries of combat had taken their toll so that, by the time the Constellation encountered it, only the superweapon itself remained. So no option but super weapon.

Veger destroyed the 3 klingon ships with its scanning. So don't buy your argument there. And I can see vampires losing on the argument the laser is plasma like the sun.

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Posted 13 February 2011 - 05:35 PM

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Veger destroyed the 3 klingon ships with its scanning. So don't buy your argument there. And I can see vampires losing on the argument the laser is plasma like the sun.

This? So not true.

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Posted 13 February 2011 - 06:50 PM

No... Goku get's harmed by mountain shattering hits and less.



no he doesn't, he gets hurt by punches and energy attacks that would shatter planets.


It only seems that they are mountain shattering due to the fact that he takes most of the hit.

The Spirit Bomb vs Kid Buu was enough to destroy a planet with ease, but yet Goku controlled it to just focus most of it on Kid Buu.

that is just how DBZ is

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Posted 13 February 2011 - 07:39 PM

So no option but super weapon.


And again, my question was: Where's your proof it was hit by a full powered shot from its anti-proton beam? The anti-proton beam, in case you forgot, is the weapon that the Constellation observed it using.

Veger destroyed the 3 klingon ships with its scanning. So don't buy your argument there.


So? Are you going to tell me that you think Klingon ships require planet destroying firepower to bring down, even though they can be and are frequently defeated by far far less?

Your argument relies on us believing V'ger destroys planets, even though this is never shown to have done this. Not only that, but it also requires us to assume that V'ger simply didn't scan the planets in some other form via conventional scanning devices. It requires everyone to ignore all the times Star Trek ships have shown far weaker power (in The DoomsDay machine an overload of the impulse engines results in a 97 MT explosion, for example).

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Posted 13 February 2011 - 08:19 PM

no he doesn't, he gets hurt by punches and energy attacks that would shatter planets.


Bwahaha, no. In fact, we see said attacks miss and still don't generate anything remotely planet shattering. In fact, Super Buu, after all of his absorptions, needed a lot of effort to create an energy ball that could split the Earth in two, yet that was enough to put strain on Vegito. Kid Buu created a ball that could destroy the Earth 10 times, and according to Goku, that was unstoppable.

Why is it so hard to understand that only high end DBZ characters can destroy planets with brute force alone?

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Posted 13 February 2011 - 09:32 PM

Bwahaha, no. In fact, we see said attacks miss and still don't generate anything remotely planet shattering. In fact, Super Buu, after all of his absorptions, needed a lot of effort to create an energy ball that could split the Earth in two, yet that was enough to put strain on Vegito. Kid Buu created a ball that could destroy the Earth 10 times, and according to Goku, that was unstoppable.

Why is it so hard to understand that only high end DBZ characters can destroy planets with brute force alone?

When they miss the punch they probably hold back so it doesnt cause massive destruction, Im sure Superman would do the same

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Posted 13 February 2011 - 09:59 PM

When they miss the punch they probably hold back so it doesnt cause massive destruction, Im sure Superman would do the same


I'm not saying I'm taking ricrery's side on this (though I do doubt every single attack in DBZ is a planet buster) this argument doesn't make sense. The way arguments are made is that they must be falsifiable, they must have some way of being proven false or tested.

If the argument is "All attacks in DBZ are planet busting" and someone says "Well look at this time, they missed and the planet is still standing." You can't say "Well that they they held back!" (because of course, to hold back implies you KNEW you would miss, in which case why in the world would you miss in the first place?) but "Well, then I was wrong and not all attacks are planet busters."

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Posted 14 February 2011 - 05:32 AM

And again, my question was: Where's your proof it was hit by a full powered shot from its anti-proton beam? The anti-proton beam, in case you forgot, is the weapon that the Constellation observed it using.



So? Are you going to tell me that you think Klingon ships require planet destroying firepower to bring down, even though they can be and are frequently defeated by far far less?

Your argument relies on us believing V'ger destroys planets, even though this is never shown to have done this. Not only that, but it also requires us to assume that V'ger simply didn't scan the planets in some other form via conventional scanning devices. It requires everyone to ignore all the times Star Trek ships have shown far weaker power (in The DoomsDay machine an overload of the impulse engines results in a 97 MT explosion, for example).

It is a doomsday device designed to kill the Borg. It wouldn't make sense to have other settings. Second because something is destroyed by planet busting firepower doesn't mean that is what is required to destroy them. The overload by the way was from the Constellation which had taken a beating from the Doomsday machine (far below top power for a Constellation class ship)




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