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Posted 08 December 2010 - 12:42 PM

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Why would it take so long for the military to show up? Just cuz?

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Posted 08 December 2010 - 01:30 PM

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Why would it take so long for the military to show up? Just cuz?

Because the govenrment always use the military in its own country as an absolute last resort. Plus just like in Katrina the governor of the state has to ask for aid. The government cant just impose martial law. It has to be allowed by the state and city. So yes, because of legan reasons it would take the military forever to be allowed to help.

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Posted 08 December 2010 - 02:35 PM

For probably a week or two it would be completely up to riot officers to "control the rioters" Which in turn would allow the infection to quickly spread throughout the city. I just see the zombie numbers overwhelming before the military ever shows up. Then they get overwhelmed before more soldiers arrive and the epidemic continues to spread.

Um... Riot Gear is probably the Best gear for hand to hand combat against Zombies in our modern society... after all it was designed against unruly mobs of people... except these unruly mobs are slow moving and decomposing...


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Not only that but they have their Shield walls and techniques to corral people with them, and are trained to take the press of crowds easily better than Zombies can push their own numbers. Besides, it wouldn't be long after this all starts that they'd be like "what is that smell, why are they biting people, why are they falling apart?" and see them as Zombies.

Then the 1 in 4 people of the planet would enact their various Zombie Survival plans. Yes the number is that high, 25% of the population of the planet probably has some form of Zombie Survival plan. Be it, getting to a roof with their .22 or fortifying their building or leaving the city.

By the time the military get's involved the situation would stand a rather good chance of being contained. With any actual breach in containment easy to mop up by Trained soldiers that know how to kill, do it well, and with Zombies, have no reason to Not kill them.

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Posted 08 December 2010 - 03:06 PM

Because the govenrment always use the military in its own country as an absolute last resort. Plus just like in Katrina the governor of the state has to ask for aid. The government cant just impose martial law. It has to be allowed by the state and city. So yes, because of legan reasons it would take the military forever to be allowed to help.


Actually, the military would get deployed easier than you may think. Here's a list of exclusions to Posse Comitatus: (wikipedia)

* National Guard units while under the authority of the governor of a state;
* Troops used under the order of the President of the United States pursuant to the Insurrection Act, as was the case during the 1992 Los Angeles Riots.
* Under 18 U.S.C. § 831, the Attorney General may request that the Secretary of Defense provide emergency assistance if civilian law enforcement is inadequate to address certain types of threats involving the release of nuclear materials, such as potential use of a nuclear or radiological weapon. Such assistance may be by any personnel under the authority of the Department of Defense, provided such assistance does not adversely affect U.S. military preparedness.
* Support roles under the Joint Special Operations Command

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Posted 08 December 2010 - 03:09 PM

Actually, the military would get deployed easier than you may think. Here's a list of exclusions to Posse Comitatus: (wikipedia)

* National Guard units while under the authority of the governor of a state;
* Troops used under the order of the President of the United States pursuant to the Insurrection Act, as was the case during the 1992 Los Angeles Riots.
* Under 18 U.S.C. § 831, the Attorney General may request that the Secretary of Defense provide emergency assistance if civilian law enforcement is inadequate to address certain types of threats involving the release of nuclear materials, such as potential use of a nuclear or radiological weapon. Such assistance may be by any personnel under the authority of the Department of Defense, provided such assistance does not adversely affect U.S. military preparedness.
* Support roles under the Joint Special Operations Command

Those would still require the governor of the state to call for those actions which they dont from history.

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Posted 08 December 2010 - 03:13 PM

Those would still require the governor of the state to call for those actions which they dont from history.


1) The governor can control National Guard units directly, and they'd be enough IMO.
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"(1) The President may employ the armed forces, including the National Guard in Federal service, to--

(A) restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition in any State or possession of the United States, the President determines that--

(i) domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of maintaining public order; and

(ii) such violence results in a condition described in paragraph (2); or

() suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy if such insurrection, violation, combination, or conspiracy results in a condition described in paragraph (2).

(2) A condition described in this paragraph is a condition that--

(A) so hinders the execution of the laws of a State or possession, as applicable, and of the United States within that State or possession, that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law, and the constituted authorities of that State or possession are unable, fail, or refuse to protect that right, privilege, or immunity, or to give that protection; or

() opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws."


In a situation as chaotic as a zombie outbreak, the President could act quickly and without having to wade through enough red tape to sink the continental U.S...

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Posted 08 December 2010 - 03:27 PM

1) The governor can control National Guard units directly, and they'd be enough IMO.
2)

"(1) The President may employ the armed forces, including the National Guard in Federal service, to--

(A) restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition in any State or possession of the United States, the President determines that--

(i) domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of maintaining public order; and

(ii) such violence results in a condition described in paragraph (2); or

() suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy if such insurrection, violation, combination, or conspiracy results in a condition described in paragraph (2).

(2) A condition described in this paragraph is a condition that--

(A) so hinders the execution of the laws of a State or possession, as applicable, and of the United States within that State or possession, that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law, and the constituted authorities of that State or possession are unable, fail, or refuse to protect that right, privilege, or immunity, or to give that protection; or

() opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws."


In a situation as chaotic as a zombie outbreak, the President could act quickly and without having to wade through enough red tape to sink the continental U.S...

The only problem is every event in our nations history has proven otherwise. The government is slow to react making the situations 10 times worse.

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Posted 08 December 2010 - 03:34 PM

The only problem is every event in our nations history has proven otherwise. The government is slow to react making the situations 10 times worse.


All of those situations weren't the same as this one, and had other factors complicating an efficient response. Actually, the military was deployed pretty soon after the Rodney King Riots got bad and that effectively stopped the riots dead. In addition, National Guard units were on standby to stop the Killdozer pretty soon after the incident began.

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Posted 08 December 2010 - 03:38 PM

All of those situations weren't the same as this one, and had other factors complicating an efficient response. Actually, the military was deployed pretty soon after the Rodney King Riots got bad and that effectively stopped the riots dead. In addition, National Guard units were on standby to stop the Killdozer pretty soon after the incident began.

The fact is in my opinion from everything I have ever researched or seen of our government they normally react with lack luster results. It takes weeks for the government to react accordingly. Hell, they couldnt even stop a leak from a pipe in the ocean but they can send people into space.

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Posted 08 December 2010 - 04:24 PM

The fact is in my opinion from everything I have ever researched or seen of our government they normally react with lack luster results. It takes weeks for the government to react accordingly. Hell, they couldnt even stop a leak from a pipe in the ocean but they can send people into space.


Again, different departments with different problems and varying responses. A lot of the response is actually exaggerated in how bad it is...




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