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THE SCENARIO

Since the 1930's Superman has set the tone for massively overpowered superhero's. Does anyone even know his complete catalog of powers? We're pretty sure at one time or another he's had every one listed in the Marvel Superheroes Ultimate Power Guide (TM). Seriously, how much kryptonite is there in the world? Apparently enough to give him a challenge for over half a century of cartoon and comic book appearances. Invulnerable, planet-crushing strength and faster than light with a few dozen odd powers thrown in, Superman is the one American Superhero every villain hates to have crash their party.

Enter Goku. Japanese Anime's answer to the Man of Steel. Since this cartoon moved across the ocean from Japan to the Cartoon Network, Dragon Ball Z mania has overtaken the youth of today. Consider: a character built on the assumption that there is no upper power limit *Ever*. Each week features a new mindbogglingly devastating attack from the hero in question. How to challenge such a character? In the show DragonBall-Z, challenging Goku seems irrelevant compared to blowing up things in new and spectacular ways... but they try.

Which brings us to this weeks challenge. We've set these two down on their own uninhabited planet to do combat. (Yes, near a Yellow Sun for you superman gurus). We'll watch the battle from orbit and bring you all the play-by-play of this incredible match.

Join Us Now in a battle we had to call...

Bulls on Parade

THE SPORTS BOX

WEBMASTER'S NOTE:   So, the website crashed... and we moved to a new server during this fight. Have no idea what the scores were... all that remains is the commentary from the viewers.

YOUR OPINIONS

Zog, the Secret Voice of the Monkey Underground writes:

Alright folks, the only possible way Superman could win this battle is by convincing Goku to go somewhere else. Admittedly, this wouldn't be hard, as Goku has roughly the intelligence of a lichen-covered rock.

Superman may be faster than a speeding bullet, but Goku's faster than a freakin' photon. How do you think they hit so hard in DBZ? Density increases as you near the speed of light. Hence: Goku is infinitely dense (explains his stupidity problem.) Also, how do you think the last 5 minutes before a planet blows up lasts 3 weeks? Time slows down as you near the speed of light.

Goku just zips up, rips Superman's arm off, and beats him to death with the soggy end.

Ramz writes:

I have to go with Goku on this one, I mean come on, he’s faster, has a hell of a lot more fire power (he can blow up planets with his finger), his power is based on fighting capabilities as in the better fighter the more powerful you are, he is probably as strong as Supes (assuming he can run/jump/do pushups in 500 times earths gravity *with* weights on) lets say he weights 200+ and with weights lets make it 250+ now times that by 500 you got 125000 pounds without going SSJ1/2/3/4 (each level times strength by 50.)

P.S. their basically the same physically, so all it comes down to is Goku’s crazy shot/fighting advantage.

so...Supes gets raped.

THE guy writes:

Goku gets the early upper hand, but Superman outsmarts Goku with his...... smarts...

I am that is writes:

I showed some good old fashioned Canadian pride and voted for Superman. The guy who created him initially was canadian. Also, it will end up in a tie. These two have died and been ressurrected so many times it would make a Hindu dizzy.

Noman writes:

Superman is a super-hero on Earth. Goku has probably blown up half the planets in the universe. Goku's power is just ridifrigginiculous. Whoever makes that show is on some sort of drug that will kill them if they don't stop fast. Plus, often times in DBZ when they fight the latest Supreme Threat To All Reality they will gt smacked around until they can barely stand. They get up and get smacked around some more. THIS HAPPENS AN AVERAGE OF NINE TIMES A FIGHT! Then somehow, they defeat the villian. It is now obvious that they cannot die, whereas as Superman could if he was close to a rock for long periods of time.

Sonic Duck 85 writes:

I'm not a fan of Dragonball Z personally, but I have respect for it. I realize the type of character that Goku is and I think that he's kind of cool. But my father brought me up right. He taught me three things in life:

1. "The greatest band of all time is The Beatles."

2. "All sports teams from New York City are bums."

3. "No one can beat Superman. Ever."

Since father knows best, I concluse that this looks like a job for Superman.

Eagle299 writes:

At one time, this may have been an interesting fight. Back in the Saiyan Saga, when Goku was only in the Death Star's league of fire power. He's gotten a few million times stronger since then. Super Saiyan, Super Saiyan 2, Super Saiyan 3, Super Saiyan 4. Not to mention all of his various techniques.

Some people might say the Superman is to fast for Goku. Frankly, I'm convinced that if Goku were in the DC universe, he'd get everywhere he's going in seconds. Conversely, if Supes were in the DBZ universe, it would take him forever to get somewhere, just like it does the Z-Fighters, no matter how fast they get. Seriously, the is an anomily tha there are examples of. In the Buu Saga, it takes Kuririn about 10 minutes to go from the Tenkaichi Bodukai to Babidi's ship. Then a few episodes later, it take Trunks and Goten in Super Saiyan mode several episodes to cover that same difference. They should have covered it in seconds. The fact that it takes the Z-Fighters any time at all to get anywhere is just plot induced stupidity.

Superman can take more punishment that Goku. So what? Offense is greater than defense. Goku has side kicks that make the Death Star look like a squirt gun. Goku himself could take out entire Galaxies if he really wanted to. And in Dark Knight Returns, Superman was pretty messed up by a mere nuke. No way he survives a Kamehameha wave.

There's also the skill department. Goku has trained under every martial arts master in his universe, and exceeded every one of them. That includes several gods. Superman is just about brute strength in fights.

And Calisto is very right. Goku would take Doomsday with one hand tied behind his back. Cell was a far more powerful opponent, and smarter. If Goku ever faught him again, he'd win with ease. Infact, he did beat him in GT.

Then there's they're records right here in CBUB. Superman lost to Thor. Goku beat Tetsuo, a far more powerful opponent the Thor could ever be.

El Kabong writes:

Back in the "Super Friends" days, Superman could move planets whenever he wanted to. Goku has been able to blow them up for ever since about the begining of Dragonball Z. Granted, Supes has gone through numerous transformations and gained a whole load of powers, but so has Goku. And while Superman's tend to be arithmetic in nature, Goku's are more exponential. Therefore, Goku is stronger and will win. You could make this really interesting by throwing in Martian Manhunter and Flash, both of whom could do some serious damage to both contenders.

soulgem writes:

you have to establish the power level for goku. at his weakest, he couldn't handle superboy. at his strongest, he could probably stalemate galactus.

Kuro-san108 writes:

This is great match, but I gotta give it to Goku. While Superman and Goku are physical equals, Goku's martial arts training puts him one step above the man o'steel

Vapor Snake writes:

The guy in blue tights who is incredibly popular among everyone? Or the constipated guy who shoots phallic shaped beams looking for a dragon's seven balls, who in turn gives people the wrong impression about anime? Superman wins. While Goku is charging up his Super-Duper-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-InfiniteGaunlet-Klattu-Veretta-Nicto-Beam, Superman punches him. That's the problem with Goku. He sits there grunting with one hand in the air. Superman doesn't. (BTW, if you based your judgement of anime on DBZ, do me and yourselves a favor and go rent Princess Mononoke.)

The Match Maker writes:

What's this? The CBUB lives again?!? That's what I get for not checking out a supposedly "dead" site for over a year. It just goes to show, never delete a bookmark, no matter how "antiquated" it may be. I'd love to hear the story behind *this* one. The CBUB has been brought back to life! And not for some little time it would seem. Let the melodrama and hyperbole begin anew!

But I would be remiss if I weren't candid. I find upon review of the most recent additions to the CBUB's most glorious heritage a disturbing downward spiral in both fight selections ("Justice Friends Vs. Super Best Friends"? "The Predator Vs. The Road Runner"?), and fight commentary ("Hawkeye Pierce Vs. Bones McCoy", "Yogi and Boo Boo Vs. Chip n Dale", "Xena Vs. Buffy"). The quality has made a perceptible drop. That doesn't invalidate my joy at finding the CBUB "back in the saddle" of course, but it wouldn't be fair to you or me if these failings were left unmentioned. I say these things because I care! ;-) To prove that you need only ask me for specifics. ;-)

And then there's a question of the legitimacy of the "Steve Irwin Vs. Godzilla" fight. I have always been under the impression that the CBUB was for *fictional* characters. Steve Irwin is a very real person. Granted, he plays an exaggerated version of himself on his show and in commercials, but ultimately it is him. It'd be akin to putting Marlin Perkins from "Wild Kingdom" in that bout. Isn't this really more the domain of the WWWF Grudge Match site? After all, this "crossover battles between real and fictional folks" is their bread and butter. And while there is precedent for this kind of battle at 'ye 'ol CBUB ("Moses Vs. Yoda"), the concept of "Real versus Fantasy" just doesn't fit in with the CBUB's mission statement.

But as always, this is just my two cents, and of course should be taken as such. I know it will anyway. LOL.

But all those "faults" aside, I rejoice that the CBUB is reborn! But now that I think about it, with the CBUB up and running again there'll be a need for guest commentators from time to time. Hmmm…

Anyway, enough of that, on to this week's analysis!

Superman versus Goku. One just knew it would have to come down to this. What can one say about Goku? It would seem that in his universe there is *no* top level to which he can aspire. He might as well be the freaking Silver Surfer or someone else with a direct tap into the Power Cosmic.

With that said I have to go for the *First*, the *Best* the *Only* (for all intends and purposes ;-) superhero out there. The man who is a HERO amongst heroes! Faster than a speeding bullet (much faster). More powerful than a locomotive (much more powerful). Able to leap tall buildings in a single bound (as well as the highest mountain or largest planet you can think of). The Man of Tomorrow. The Last Son of Krypton. The Man of Steel. SUPERMAN. The name says it all: SUPERman.

And unless Hypertime has been invalidated in the past year or so, I get to choose "any", or I should say, the *real* Superman for this battle. Not the "Man of Aluminum" that DC foisted upon us "Post Crisis". No, no. The REAL Steal Deal. The guy you see in all those episodes of "The Super Powers Team" on Cartoon Network. The guy that moved the whole freaking moon *by himself* in "Superman IV: The Quest for Peace". The son of Jor-El. Smallville's own. Clark Kent.

He's the granddaddy of them all. The one guy in all the multiverse you can count on to come through for you when the chips are down. We're talking about Thanos-Has-The-Infinity-Gauntlet -Again-And-Is-Waging-War-Against-The-Multiverse type of "chips being down". He's the go to guy. He's the man. He's *SUPERMAN*.

Is this registering people? SUPERMAN! He's the whole Greek Mythology rolled into one! He's got the strength of Hercules. The speed of Hermes. The invulnerability of Achilles. The wisdom of Athena. The "grandness" of Zeus. Throw in Heat Vision and Super Breath and you've got yourself the total package. A man who would show Thor the door (that fight *so* did not go down the way it should have!), and the Hulk the curb.

Sure he may be outgunned in this one, but never, *never* bet against Superman. Never. He is goodness in its most pure, distilled form. You can't beat a man whose sole reason for fighting is to uphold Truth, Justice, and the American Way!

Look, up in the sky! It's a bird! It's a plane! It's… SUPERMAN!

Blockhead writes:

Oh Lordy.

Goku, in the beginning of his career, when his powerlevel was in the thousands, could de atmoize an entire planet. He continually gets stronger. Sort of like the Hulk, but not just in strength.

When Gouku fights an enemy, he has to be careful about what attacks he uses, since a deflected energy blast could easily destroy the earth. He always begs villians not to fight in the city since the city will easily be destroyed by a minor attack, like vs Vegeta or the Andriods.

Goku is a fighting genius of a race of fighting geniuses. He doesn't have school smarts, but he doesnt need them.

Superman does not constantly get stronger. He can't blow up a planet or even a city with all of his effort. When he and Doomsday fought (a villan with "bony protrusions"), Metropolis had like 0 casualties and a lot of broken windows.

Superman is not a fighting master. He constantly fights people much weaker than himself. When he fights somone he can't simply walk up to and punch, he is in trouble. He has no technique.

Looks like a fan win for Supes.

metaphysician writes:

First, I'd like to congratulate you on choosing Pre-Crisis Superman. *hint*hint*

Now, on to the fight. Both characters have plot-device level powers of a surprisingly similar nature. However, Superman came before Goku. He was pulling powers out his ass and pushing planets around before Goku was a glimmer in Toriyama's eye.

Second, Superman, even PC Supes, is smarter than Goku. ~shudder~

Third, Superman was ALWAYS uber-powerful. Goku only became a planet-crusher some time into DBZ.

Lastly, Cartoon Network shows FAR too much DBZ, as opposed to an actual quality show, Superman: The Animated Series.

SUPERMAN, KICK GOKU'S ASS!!!!!!!!

Demonicuss Krinn writes:

Goku's tough, but there's only so many things that INCREDIBUL CHEE POWURZ can do.

Superman has been known to extinguish stars and reignite suns.

That and, as Madame Quinn wisely reminded, Goku ain't exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer.

Goku is popular.

Superman is an Icon

'Nuff said!

Demonicuss Krinn

--Up, up, and away!

Kananga writes:

I see Goku taking it after both are nearly dead and all bones broken.

Goku wins simply because Superman doesn't have ki which gives Goku the big big advantage, and for the fact that well the only attacks Superman has is well umm Heat Vision :/ woo scary huh *not* on the other hand Goku has freaken an almost unlimited set of moves.

I give Superman the speed advantage but eventually he's going to trip up since Goku is very clever at fighting.

I see them doing a superman vs doomsday all over again only they both survive and Superman is knocked out, but Goku is barely counsious and has had the toughest battle he could of ever dreamed of.

The Toast Rider writes:

The fight hinges on if this is pre-Crisis Superman, or post-Crisis.

Post-Crisis Superman is tough, no stones about it, but he's more evenly matched power wise with Goku -- who is better trained. Thus, Superman winds up very, very unconscious.

Pre-Crisis, though... that's a different story. Brr. That's more power than even Goku might be able to handle easily.

I'm casting a vote to Supes for sentimental reasons, but in fairness this match was too close for me to call.

HalloweenJack writes:

hmm what have we here. This is interesting. We have the original versus the rip off (yes goku is a superman rip off. just deal with it)

i'm giving goku the nod though. Goku has the Touch, the Power, what the French call a something I don't know what. I honestly have to look at it this way.

now take away the jobber aura superman seems to project upon the rest of the DCU except for Batman and what do we have.

A strong, fast guy, with heat vision, x-ray vision, telescopic vision, super hearing, flight and a near unbreakable will. However, he does NOT have the same level of fighting ability as Goku even with his brief lessons from Mongul. Basically while the sprit is willing the flesh is slightly weaker. Though he is much smarter than Goku.

Goku on the other hand has trained religiously since childhood. He's always learning new techniques. He has so many destructive attacks it isn't funny.

I'm no rabid DC fan nor am I a rabid DBZ fan who both have some pretty bad logic. I'm pulling for Goku because while he and Supes are practically equals in strength and speed, Goku's superior fighting ability and energy attacks.

Imagine a big country guy with a somewhat good fighting abiity (like myself) with some enhanced senses and heat vision. Now put him against Bruce Lee with massive energy attacks and teleportation.

The Country boy is going down. It's pretty simple really.

Z-mage writes:

Real superheroes can beat incredible odds. Superman doesn't have incredible odds against Goku. Therefore, Superman will win.

He could outsmart Goku without even trying. C'mon, people.

Landon writes:

This comes down to which fanboys are more annoying. Goku has the bratty, pre-teen brats on his side that are bull-headed and refuse to listen to anything that hints at Goku being less powerful than God. Makes you want to thwap them in the back of the head. On the other hand, Superman's extreme fans are FAR worse. I've had the misfortune of running into some of these people, and they're just downright... how to put this nicely... sad. The sorts that think you're below human for not liking Superman. The sorts that see it as a moral issue and not simply a matter of taste. No Goku fan tells you that you're evil and immoral for not liking him. The worst of Superman fans do. So... looks like Goku wins this one.

Peter writes:

Okay peeps, so let me just get this one straight. Superman, the most iconic of all the superheroes of all the fictional universes in existance, the man who has single-handedly saved the planet literally more times than anyone can count, the entity who has led the assembled DCU heroes against Universe-shattering threats time and time again (and always come out on top), and the best the Arena of Khazan can pit him against is some wannabe anime loser from a god-awful children's television show?

As much as I wanted to vote for Superman (the Greatest Hero Ever - I'll continue pointing that out, thank you, to all the DBZ fans in the audience) simply out of an extreme dislike for DBZ, I don't have to. Really, I don't.

All the DBZers will go on and on here about how Superman really isn't that bright - but he's up against *Goku*, a character so mind-blaringly dumb that he makes the average rock look like an astro-scientist. Let's not forget the fact that Goku is used to fighting battles that last for weeks - unlike your average Superman fight, which (given Kal's impressive speed) can last all of several picoseconds.

And they'll try and tell us that "Goku has all these really powerful energy blasts with utterly unpronouncable names!" But they'll probably neglect to tell us (and you have to wonder why) that those really powerful blasts only affect evil entities - and good old Superman's soul is so pure he can withstand the light of Heaven.

Let's also not forget the fact that Superman (the Greatest Hero Ever) has been getting so amped lately in the comic books it's not funny. Moving the moon around (and easily shunting WarWorld through the Boom Tube during that horrid OWAW mess) and using his incredible speed (the "I can play tag with light" variety that gets passed out quite liberally in the DCU) and other powers in a tactical way, thanks to Mongul's training.

Enough rambling, here's how I see this fight. The starting bell goes, and Goku and Superman (the Greatest Hero Ever) step out onto the ring. Goku stands there for a few *long* minutes, then begins one of his own boring monologues where he drones on and on and on, putting every second person in the audience to sleep. But while he's talking, Superman steps up close, uses his microscopic/heat vision combo, and does a little keyhole surgery on the unsuspecting Goku, turning the anime loser into a drooling vegetable at superspeed, ending the fight.

Superman (the Greatest Hero Ever, in case you'd forgotten) then goes home extremely disappointed, looking for something remotely challenging and wondering if Thor would be interested in a little arm-wrestling...

In other words... Go Superman!

Devlin "Dev" Grey writes:

This is a walk in the park for Superman, why don't you do this battle:

Superman Villains

vs

Batman Villains

vs

Spider-Man Villains

AND DO ONE WITH STEPHEN KING VILLAINS DAMIT!

Knastymike writes:

Oh, for fuck's sake. Superman, people? Krypton's last son is definetly a powerhouse, but have you people been watching DBZ??? If Goku's kid sneezes, earth is destroyed. I'd take just about any of the DBZ fighters over Superman. Everyone's favorite solar-powered superhero gets beat by the super-sajin faster I spank a monkey.

Bosda Di'Chi writes:

The Last son Of Krypton is the model & perfect representation of all the costumed heroes that came after him. In a way, Goku is fighting everybody in the DC/Marvel/Image/etc Pantheon.

Kal-El takes the gold medal, hands down.

A matter of faith to the true comic-book fan.

Slorg! writes:

Staying power. Superman has been doing this for years while Goku just another in a long line here today, geek trivia tomorrow anime goons. In this sort of fight endurance will matter. Superman will be thumping heads long after Goku's fanboys are wormfood.

A Great Slorg!

Techno Spawn writes:

First of all Superman is nothing, a pathetic wienie given great powers. He flies around thinking he's all that and wasting perfect powers like he has. Have you ever seen Superwimp use his powers for his own benefits (fun and games) Mmmm... never. All that unbelievable powers wasted by this pathetic FOOL who uses them for only the benefit of mankind not his own, WHAT THE HELL!?! IS THAT ALL ABOUT!?! Superman’s villains are also dumbasses except for Doomsday and Lobo. Supie's got all that power and he uses it to protect one stupid city, hell with his powers he could be a comic super, but just stay the hell away for red suns and there rays. Goku, however, has great powers and uses them for his benefits and also protecting the world. The guy actually has fun from time to time and is also funny sometimes unlike Supermoron who isn't any fun at all he's just a Big Popoo Head.

-Super has superspeed. Yeah so, shit Goku has super speed as well.

-Superman has superheat vision. So who the hell gives a damn when the other guy's able to blast energy blast and increase it at an unbelievable level. Blowing everything out of sight.

-Super has superstrenght which means shit to Goku cause he's got that as well.

-Goku's got attitude and style with a variety of power that matches supes and Goku's also got those magical beans that will heal any of his wounds up right and also make him FART a whole lot.

-Superman might have all that superpower, but in the end it won't help him against Goku who will go Super Saiyan on Supes' Sorry Ass. Goku is not a caring superhero all the time like Supie and when he powers up to maximum if there even is a maximum level to his power, he'll mop the floors with Superman and then mop up Superman's blood from the ground with Supes' ugly face. Poor Superman will get his ass kick around all over Khazan Arena. However, Vegeta would be a better match with Supie since he's more ruthless then Goku.

- Go Goku kill that Pathetic, Sorry Ass, Filthy, Wienie of a superhero. P.S. I hate Superman. What a looser!!! D.C sucks. Marvel cool. Spidey rules. GO DA HELL SUPERFOOL!!!

The Catwoman writes:

Lets compare:

Arch nemeses:

Lex Luther: genius business man

Frezza: Not so bright, and ambiguously gay, but extremely powerful

Metalo: made out of a cheep adamantium knock off, and is rampantly destructive

Androids 16,17,18,19,20: beat everyone like a drum, and some even look cool

Goku: 1 Superman: 0

Powers

Superman: too long to list

Goku: too long to list

Goku:1 Superman:0

Girl friends

ChiChi: his wife is a B-I-T-C-H! and is named after breasts

Lois Lane: she is stylish and smart

Goku:1 Superman:1

so it comes down to a tie. But for my money the only way Superman can win is if he deals a killing blow while Goku is providing a long expository speech, and or providing comic relief. Superman's only other option is to get Goku to prepare an attack, for five min. DBZ time, in outher words 3 or 4 hours regular time. During which Superman wont waste 5 episodes talking instead of killing like Frezza did.

Ramblin writes:

It's simple, when Goku stands around charging his fireball that takes ten episodes to charge Superman is gonna kick him in the nuts at the speed of light.

Zog, the Secret Voice of the Monkey Underground writes:

Y'all, please. About all Superman can be grateful for is that this isn't one of the DB villains. One of those guys (or girls, or ambiguous *chough*frieza*chough*) would mock him, taunt him, mock him some more, taunt him some more, dodge his attacks, make him look like a feeble child (such as the redhead who is being eternally beaten at K-Mart), and when they got tired of that, they'd force-feed him Kryptonite Spam^tm until he exploded. Game, set, match.

Daki writes:

I'm about as big a DC fanboy as they come but I have a dark little secret... I _HATE_ Superman. The ultimate boyscout refuses to kill and will try to pacify Goku. Goku, depending on when we are talking, has infinite power. He regularly works out at several hundred times Earth's gravity and that Spirit Ball of his...

well...

I'll send out the invitations to Superman's second funeral.

Vejut writes:

Well...We got a guy who's basically Invulnerable, and a household name for the past 50 years, who is basically the original superhero...vs. a guy from japan who just happens to be really popular right now. Both have been killed and came back...both blow up planets. But I'll have to give this to Superman, because he doesn't announce his attacks and wait 10 sec. for them to charge up.

Soberguy writes:

Are you kidding me?

Superman has been a living legend since before the creators of Goku were even born. THOUSANDS of people have tried to off Big Blue and with little success!

Lex Luthor couldn't kill him.

Braniac couldn't kill him.

Bizarro couldn't kill him.

Lobo couldn't kill him.

Mr. Myxyzptlk couldn't kill him.

General Zod couldn't kill him.

Richard Pryor couldn't kill him.

Doomsday DID kill him, but that just resulted in even MORE Supermen... and the original came back anyhow!

Now, you think some spiky haired freak from Japan in orange pyjamas is going to off Superman?!?!

Look, 100 years from now Superman will still be popular. What will people answer when you ask them who Goku was in the year 2102?...

"Wasn't he one of the Teenage Ninja Power Rangers?"

'Da Watcher writes:

First off, I want to smack who ever, EVER thought doing this battle was a smart idea. All this will do is get all of the DBZ haters out on the board all pissed off when Goku wins(and he will) and when the DBZfans cheer and the inane fans start coming out of the woodwork to post at the board. *sigh*

But anyway...

I'm not going to do a power by power analysis, as we don't even know what type of incarnation of Superman OR Goku we're using (as it makes a whole heaping ****load of difference if we're dealing with PC Supes against say SSJ3 Goku).

Only one thing matters in a match like this. ONE THING.

Willpower.

Now, I'll say this. Both men are of incredible willpower, despite what era or power level you take them from. They're the type of guys who say, "I'm gonna do this and you aren't gonna stop me," well, guess what? You're not going to stop them, because they're so focused on their goal.

So, with that, who has the bigger will to prevail?

And I've got to say that it's Goku, with no disrespect with Superman.

I've seen stories where Superman has broken down and cried at the job, killed himself because he's lost someone he's loved, isolated himself because of someone he's loved, doubting if he can finish the job, so on and so forth. While in the end he usually suceeds, it's disconcerting to see that type of wavering spirit while on the job. And this is far too of a repeating occurence, especially nowadays.

But let's look at Goku... who never, EVER gives up. EVER.

Not once, NOT ONCE do I remember an instance where Goku has lost the will to win, or lost the belief that the battle could be won. It doesn't matter what you do, this guy will keep working to defeat you. I've seen him giving telepathic messages to people to help them defeat a foe, I've seen him plung into battle, I've seen him BACK OFF from fighting someone just because he realizes that he's not the best one for the job and will give the one who can advice and props, I've even seen him leave Heaven for crying out loud to save people he cares about! The only way I've ever seen people knock Goku out of the fight permanently is to beat the living shit outta him, break both his arms and legs, break his jaw, and then knock him unconscious. That way, there's no way in hell he can get back into physical battle, and he won't be able to talk to give advice, and being unconscious keeps him from doing it telepathically. And by simply NOT KILLING HIM, he won't do any of the above from Heaven.

That's the only way you'll stop him. And from what I've seen, Superman does not have what it takes.

The only guy who I consider to have MORE willpower than Goku is Doctor Doom and that's only because of the way defeated the Beyonder, which took a willpower that even surpasses Goku's, to be able to do.

One other thing, Miss Quinzell... GOKU's NOT STUPID! He's naive, NOT stupid. Yeah, you may say that if you only catch glimpses of the show or read synopsis's, but if you see how Goku interacts with other people, you see that he's simply the most naive person on the planet, which is still a step above Superman, who should be able to sneeze and send people like the Toyman and Prankster to jail, and he doesn't!

One last thing, having villains who get more and more powerful every time they appear is still better than having to contend with villains in 'suits', Kryptonite that seems to rain down on Earth every single day(so that EVEN WHEN all Kryptonite on Earth was turned into Iron, MORE repopulated the Earth), and let me remention people like Toyman, Prankster and Terraman who gave PC-Superman a hard time like Doomsday gives Post-C Supes a hard time!

That's all, farewell!

Common Knowledge writes:

Superman vs. Goku? This one is about as one-sided as Punisher vs. France! Superman is strong, yes, but can he hurl fireballs capable of of incinerating planets? Superman is a good fighter, but has be mastered pretty much every martial art ever created? Both are fast, but Goku can teleport instantly with the instant transmision! Goku can do all this without even going super saiyan! He won't even need to go Super saiyan 3! It'll be a close match at first...both fighters will toy with each other and attack each other without using their full power, like in every DBZ episode, then suddenly, Goku goes super saiyan and kicks Supes' butt. Goku feels sorry for him and offers him a sensu bean...then he goes Super saiyan 3 and there will be nothing left of the last son of Krypton.

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The HeartBurn Kid writes:

1: Superman has about 50-60 years of experience over Goku.

2: Superman, who's "faster than a speeding bullet", will be easily able to dodge Goku's bigassanimechiblasttechniqueofdeath, or whatever the hell it's called. Goku, being dumb as a box of hammers, will stand and yell rather than dodge Supes's attacks (like he does in every single fight on the show).

3: Goku's from Japan, and all the Kryptonite seems to have ended up in the western hemisphere. No help there.

4: Superman, not being a DBZ character, won't be obligated to stand there while Goku mutters "must... power... up... attack..." for 25 minutes. He'll just punch monkey-boy's lights out.

5: Superman is a richer, more well-defined character than Goku will ever be. And if the "Big Blue Boy Scout" is a richer character than you, you know you're a one-dimensional piece of crap.

6: Finally, I hate DBZ fanboys. They tend to be stupid, immature, and insane, as evidenced by this page: http://www.fortunecity.com/tinpan/piano/177/

Chalk one up for The Man of Steel

T-1000 writes:

Oh good lord. I'm sorry, no time for comments. I have to get off the planet before these two destroy it.

*a few moments later*

Stupid travel agency. Oh well, since I seem doomed to remain here for this fight, I might as well comment.

Speed: This is relative to the condition. I believe that in a cross country race, Superman could probably win. However, in combat, Goku uses a form of super speed that is more like instant teleportation. One minute he is there, the next he is right behind you. Supes just doesn't have that kind of speed.

Strength: We have seen Superman strain to lift forty tons, he can lift it, but it is a bit of an effort. However, when we saw Goku training in otherworld, we saw the South Kai make him train with forty tons on his body. Now, when Goku went Super Sayain, the wieght seemed like less than nothing! So, it seems that with Goku at full power, he may be just a bit stronger than Superman.

Skill: Superman has been in a lot of fights, but all of his experiance revolves around the use of his powers. Superman does not use combat skills in battle the way that Goku does. Goku is a veteran fighter, and a power house. Superman is just a power house. I do think Supes is smarter than most people typically think of him, but that won't make up for his lack of combat skills.

Power: It has been stated that it takes a power rating of 300 to destroy a planet. Goku has a power rating of over 3,000! Goku has also withstood a direct blast from Vegeta at point blank range, and Vegeta destroyed the friggin moon out of boredom! Supes can take a lot, but Goku can continue to shoot planet smashing blast after planet smashing blast at Supes until he can't take it any more.

All in all, Goku has the strength, speed and raw power to take on Supes. And if, IF, mind you, Supes could beat Goku, then Vegeta is going to enter the ring and demand to battle "the only mortal warrior that has overcome Kakorot!" Trust me, if Goku doesn't beat Superman, Vegeta probably will out of jealousy.

Lord X-spider writes:

This is what will happen.

Son-Goku goes SSJ3 and kicks Supes butt hard.

And when he is lying on the ground and crying like a baby Goku throws a Genki-Dama as big as the one he used agaist Tetsuo and destroys Supes.

The Guru writes:

C'mon. You must be joking. Goku defeat Superman? Get real. Okay, granted, Goku has been through a heck of a lot, but even if you add up all his total adventures to date, they don't even come up to a fraction of the things Supe's seen. I think this whole battle comes down to experience. I f Goku comes in doing his "blow up everything in sight" strategy he is sure to be taken down. Superman doesn't always rely on brute strength or his powers to win. He more often than not comes up with some clever plan to deal with his opponent. I'm sorry if this offends DBZ'ers out there, but I have seen quite a few DBZ episodes by now (yes, I decided I best watch some before passing judgement... nothing to do with this fight, just a seperate argument), and Goku just doesn't really seem all that bright. Anyway, that's my opinion.

Thanos6 writes:

I have to admit, I don't care for either of these characters too much. Both have good supporting casts, (Superman--Lex Luthor, Perry White, Brainiac, etc.; Goku--Vegeta, Yamcha, Kuririn, etc.) but they themselves I find rather boring and, sometimes, even irritating.

Both have irrational and annoying fans, as well.

I voted for Son Goku, though. Why? Easy.

Dragonball has been pretty much defunct since 1995. Sure, we have the English dubbed episodes, but we haven't had anything new in seven years.

Superman, on the other hand, continues to have numerous titles published every month, giving his irrational fans the opportunity to simply get more and more annoying. Hence, I voted against him.

The Lord of Nothings writes:

Goku is insanely, unfairly, disgustingly overpowered. That means he should win. He's got no offense that can match Goku. And his body can only take so much. Goku destroys him.

But I still like Supes better.

the Catwoman writes:

Goku is married to ChiChi

can you say THE RAGE(tm)!

the Catwoman writes:

Goku is married to ChiChi

can you say THE RAGE(tm)?

Bronco19 writes:

This is a joke, right? Have any of you people that voted for Superman even SEEN an episode of Dragonball Z? Goku was as strong and fast as Superman on the first episode! In case you don't know, he's improved A LOT since then. Sidestepping photons is child's play for him, literally. His small son Goten could do it without anywhere near the amount of training that Goku had. And let us not forget the fact that Goku has the power to blow up a planet several times over! If it wasn't perfectly clear, I'll side with Goku on this one.

Comic Patron Supreme writes:

Saiyan versus Kryptonian...

Kakarotto versus Kal-El...

Son Goku versus Superman!

Now we've got something! I can't tell you how close this is going to be! Both heroes are the most powerful of their race, have both died and been resurrected (though their quests for resurrection were decidedly different) and both are wonderful good guys. However, all dice on the table, the game goes to good ol'e KENT!

Goku is a superhuman warrior who's power increases as his body mutates and as he trains to evolve to the next level of Super-Saiyan.

He has been gaining power since age 10, and is approximately thirty.

That's twenty years of energy.

Superman's cellular structure absorbs yellow sunlight and converts it into bio-energy, feeding his powers to allow him to be stronger. He has been here since his birth. He is almost forty.

That's forty years of energy.

True, Goku is a master of Kamesenin, and Superman only has a marginal training in Karate and Judo. However, Superman's "improv" style of fighting has pulled him through many a brawl.

Just from my readings/watchings, I'm going to have to give this one to the Man of Steel. Sorry Goku, go cry on Piccolo's shoulder!

SupaGuy writes:

Sup' man has the smarts to win this fight!

He is way smarter than Goku. The fag! Superman has got SUPA speed

and Goku has that teleporting crap! Supa'man will make Goku comb his freaking hair, man!!!!

D.Merzel writes:

Go Goku

Change times; Supes has this one thing going for him, shorter change times (doesn't need any but the phonebox is more stylish) while goku needs a few seconds to psych up to super sayian level 4.

Fighting power, Super man can fly, lift tall buildings and use eye beams. Dragonball power rating gives this guy a minimum of 2 or 3 thousand. Force required to destroy a planet is a minimum of 120,000, since superman hasn't destroyed any planets this gives an upper limit to his powers.

Goku in super sayian mode has a rating in the millions.

Name co-incidence; Super Man Vs Super Sayian; Given that the average sayian is tougher than the average man this is no contest.

Resilence; Supes power is flat line, Sayians get more powerful the longer they fight or when they recover. Superman has to win this one quick if he's to have any chance.

Vulnerabilities; Supes; radioactive fragments of a dead planet, kryptonite, Goku; his wife Chi-chi( I would say his entire family could be held hostge but that pulls in 2 more super sayians). Kyrptonite is much more easily avaliable

Honor; Supes is extremely honorable, so is goku, neither will take advantage of the others vulnerabilities.

Intelligence; Supes wins out here, goku takes days figuring out a child's puzzle while Supes can hold down a dayjob as an investagative reporter.

Death; Super man gets 'killed' found out it was a trick while he healed, Goku at series end can go from real life to the afterlife and back at will and even has GODS (as in grand/supreme kai's) impressed by him

Summation; the only way for supes to have a chance is to get Mr Myxpyctal to ring in as a pitch hitter, Goku isn't smart enough to get him to say his name backwards thus pitting him against a Q-type omnipitant being, Even Goku has to loose that type of fight.

Doom writes:

Come on Superman take's this easily.

How often do guys in DBZ get bushed midway through their fights? Countless times.

How many times have we seen Superman get tired when fighting a guy? Only when he's been fighting entire teams of Supervillians.

But the big thing that Gives Superman the win is his strength. Goku's had to turn Super Sajin just to move around while wearing 40 tons of weights, and has had trouble catching large weights.

Superman can lift MOUNTINS with his bare hands. If Superman's not careful he might accidently kill Goku with some of his punches if he goes near all out.

Superman is far smarter and more combat savy then Goku (he's been doing this for years.) And it's that experience that will ensure the big S (or even Thor) would walk away the winner of a contest between himself and Goku.

Kaji0083 writes:

Im calling the Fight in Goku's Favor. Superman has his powers and is fast, but Goku's power level doesnt top out. If Goku hits SSj2 i dont think superman can keep up with how fast Goku is. Anything above SSj2 and Superman is going down hard

Azrael, Otaku Boy writes:

I love Superman. I really do, he's the first and in many cases the best. But the MOMENT Goku gets the all-clear sign to go SSJ2, Superman finds out just how durable he is.

In his regular form, Goku maybe has a combat speed advantage. In Super Saiyan, Goku evens out with Superman as he used to be. At full power Super Saiyan, Goku matches present Superman blow-for-blow.

And when he goes Level 2, this fight is over.

Ghost writes:

I'm glad to see that the site has recovered. I was beginning to suffer from CBUB-withdrawl. And I see that you have baked up a glorious battle between two truly titanic fighters to celebrate; Superman and Goku! O'boy, gracious violence and planetoid explosions! This is what I live for!

But… with two so powerful fighters facing off against each other, whom am I to choose? To whom shall I cast my vote?

The mightiest superhero in all of comicverse?

Or…

The most badass fighter of all Anime and Manga (which ain't saying little)?

The Icon of Superpowered Heroism?

Or…

The Ultimate Champion of Kickass?

A man who has spent centuries fighting everything imaginable?

Or…

A man who has perfected Asian martial arts to include planet-destruction?

A man who can fly through suns and survive holding an exploding atomic bomb and only get a bit dizzy?

Or…

A man who survived being crushed between two moons and came back to kick some ass?

A man who juggles planets?

Or…

A man who atomises moons?

A guy who wears his underpants on top of his trousers?

Or…

A guy whose hairdo makes him look like Sonic the Hedgehog?

Tricky.

Ultimately, though, Superman wins. Why? Simple.

Superman is real. Goku is just a cartoon. (Boy, are you getting allot of those?)

Sorry, Goku, but as Freddie Mercury sang: "Lady Mercy won't be home tonight".

The Overlord of The Moose writes:

please, this battle is in the bag for goku. superman may be strong, but lets take a look, at his strongest, superman can lift a building up, while goku, can BLOW UP A PLANET. now, bearing in mind that goku would die in space without an air supply, the power of one of goku's moves would still defeat superman, a kamehameha, a genki-dama, a ryuken, would defeat superman. the most superman could do, is maybe try to punch goku, which wouldn't be strong enough, or maybe one of those eye lasers, but that would be ONE move, which isn't really that strong.

now, superman is strong, I'm not debating that, but goku is stronger, just watch DBZ, goku can knock out a mountain with one punch, far more than what superman can.

Leviathan writes:

I do not care what ANY DBZ fna boy has to say about it.. PRE CRISIS SUper Man will kick and could kick GOku's ass in a real fight.. I will make stats ot proof it.

Stregnth: Goku's biggest act of muscle was lifting a sword in the kilo grams catergory.. No biggy.. PC SUpes on the tohe rhand cna juggle planets if he feels like it.. That should not be a har done.

Speed:Supes again.. Goku CANNOT go as fast as light UNLESS he uses the teleprot move. DBZ characters NEVER move that fast unless doing the teleport. Besides SUpes cna go so damn fast he can time travel!

Endurance:Super Man again! Because if GOku uses the msot pwoerufl forms.. It tires himself out faster.. But Supes can keep on going the whole time.

Brains:SUpes again! Goku has the IQ of a rock.. SUpes at least was a High grade student in Smallsville high but no mental giant.. Still smarter though.

Also lets not forget the ONLY two things that cna hurt SUpes.

1:Krptonite:Gouk does not know what it is and sure as hell not smart enough to su eit anyway.

2:Magic: Gouk does not know magic.. His Ki blasts are engry.. NOT magical.

Basiclly Goku's msot powerful Kame Hame has would bat SUpes around a bit but will not kill him.. And that Genk Dama... That will not WORK!

Reason: SUper man ahs always been a good guy right? As long your good and do not have evil in your heart it will not work. .Hell PC SUpes would proably rebound it by accident to Hell or something.

FInal Note!

Age:SUpes has been around since 30s and STILL kicking wit hnew comics.. Goku on other hand has not had any new action... Because Dragonball stuff is dead, sdid not last a damn decade or two.. That and Goku is infact a Japanese rip off of SUper Man! Go big S!

In conclusion:Supes shows this sutpid Monkey how ot be a REAL super hero.

Melkor writes:

~Finally another Superman fight after that TRAVESTY with Thor!!! Anyway I was unfamiliar with Goku so I had to check up on him, power levels etc, and he seems like a serious challenge for supes, surviving being crushed by planets and the like, but at the end of the day we're talking the Man of Steel, the Man of Tomorrow, Kal-El last son of Krypton. He can take a steam-bath in the sun and juggle planetoids before breakfast! From what I see of Goku his level of invulnerability just doesn't cut it, especially against Supermans brute strength as opposed to the massive energy attacks he's used to dealing with. Superman's weakness is of course that he won't kill, but he should be able to survive anything in the way of energy spirit bombs etc. and once they're going toe-to-toe Goku will be subdued by the original and still the greatest hero ever!!!

PS All of the above refer to current JLA Superman (The one who wrestles archangels and destroys evils older than the universe etc.) To use the 1970s version just wouldn't be fair now would it?

Doctor Anton Arcane writes:

What a load of BOLLICKS! Goku is some punk wannabe with long flowing hair, and can juggle planets. Superman, and I quote, "Doesnt drink, Doesnt Smoke, 6'4", has black hair, blues eyes, and tells the truth."...but aside from that , he has been known to kill(and play dirty) on occasion. Besides that, anyone who can take on an omnipotent being (Mr. Mxyzsptlck) and live by using his wits obviously knows what he is doing! Besides, Goku's powers are SOLAR BASED! Supes will just absorb them like a bikini-clad broad in florida! And besides, Goku needs to utter a few words to use his powers, Whereas supes can knock his head off his shoulders before he can put the KA in KAMEHAMEHA!

M.O.B.(-Man Of Battle-) writes:

Okay, here we go again with a another closely even match! Both are close energy beings but here is where they are different, Superman depends extremely on just the yellow sun for his super power without it as we all know Superman goes from super to Druper. While Goku is not limited by that, HE IS POWER! HE DOESN'T JUST HAVE THE POWER! HE IS POWER! Goku is just one of the Dragonball Z's with a above 30+ in power. Now Superman may be to stand up to Goku's kicks and punches but not against that kind of POWER! Goku has also another major advantage over Superman, Goku can sometimes, just sometimes energize different forms of energy! What if Goku could energize red solar radition or maybe even green kryptonite energy? I say Superman would meet doomsday again! And finally Goku can super energize himself into a superman form as well.

Goku has the superior edge in this match, Superman is overpowered!

the mumra comeback scenario writes:

With all of the speed and strength superman has, Goku can match it. Plus Goku has a lot of hard faught victories under his belt. |Superman seems to win by villan faults most of the time. Goku takes it in the end.

Goku(kakarot) writes:

I WILL WIN.

PERIOD.

1 kamehameha superman is dead.

of course I could cheat and use kryptonite,but no explosions?

I'll go with SSJ4 kamehameha wave.

Antidisestablishmentairianism writes:

Superman obviously. Goku's only talent seems to be screaming and catching on fire.

Darth_Maxx writes:

I'm going to say this one time, so everybody better listen up -

Goku, if only for being based off of the Chinese novel Journey to the West, has cool points. He can both take and deal out planet-shattering attacks fairly regularly. Thus he has badass points. His power level NEVER STOPS INCREASING. Thus he has scary points. He used to be able to turn into a Giant Bloody Ape at the full moon. Thus he has freak points. And we're not even going to mention the Super Saiyan thing here. That takes this battle from the probable to the ludicrous.

On the other side of the tracks, Superman. DC's most overrated hero. The only points in which he's any use AT ALL for story material are those stories in which he is made into a kind of Messiah/martyr type figure (ala Batman:Jihad, Kingdom Come, JLA 1Million, one or two episodes in one of the Batman:Wasteland series etc) or those stories in which he is used to represent the absolute folly of nationalism and believing too much in one's country (ala Batman: Dark Knight Returns & The Dark Knight Strikes Back, in stores now!). This is a standard power vs. power battle, so his "emblem" cool points actually count against him. DC gave this man so much strength that they needed to break apart their entire bloody universe to give him a challenge, hence the Crisis. This gives him munchkin points, which are the antithesis of badass points. At least Goku is SUPPOSED to be ungodly powerful. Superman just sort of ended up that way.

Superman has no scary or freak factor. The only time he's frightening is when he gets pissed off, and this fight won't last long enough for that to happen.

Also, as for the attitude... Superman is a bloody arrogant fool. Someone needs to slap him upside the head. Many times. And then put their fist in his stomach. Batman did it in Dark Knight Returns, now it's Goku's turn. The Man of Steel is going DOWN faster than a weakling, black-haired Kryptonian stepchild whose momma used the kaio-ken move to spank him in K-mart.

Pass the rice, please.

JoeBobBriggs (now a big Cowboy Bebop fan) writes:

Vegita will win this one, he will vaporize Superman after he challenges Goku to a game of checkers, and Goku being the brain-child that he is won't know what to do, he will probably just sit and talk to Superman for the equivillent of 17 episodes of time rather than fight him. I wanted Vegita to be the top dog soooo badly it just isn't fair, Goku had everything handed to him but Vegita worked his arse of for everything. Arghh it makes me angry just to think about it, Vegita was such a better character, Goku was King Doof, the only reason he won was because a Law of Anime states the main character MUST be stronger, faster, etc. then any supporting character. Its just not fair........

BTW I voted for Superman, I just wanted my opnion to be made known.

TMR_Xenith writes:

Let's face it. Neither of these two are getting a letter from MENSA in the mail. In fact they'd be lucky to get a letter from Sesame Street. This fight is going to come down to raw power, and Goku has that in spades. In the first season he was able to deflect blasts that could atomize planets. And he's only gotten stronger. No way Superman can cope with that kind of power. Too bad, 'cause I really hate Goku and would love to see him get trashed.

Another Lame Name writes:

So, as far as I can tell, these two only have one thing in common--some cosmically bad writers who cannot compose an interesting story about a defeatable character. Except that Superman has indeed been defeated before (though never for long). So he's got more drive--he knows the bitter taste of crow, and ain't hungry for more.

And, really, Goku needs to lose brownie points for that hair doo. All the gel must emit so many noxious fumes as to nearly force the poor rube into a coma.

420allday writes:

I've never read a single Superman comic and I haven't liked Dragonball Z (or Drangonballs as I like to call it)since I hit puberty.

Anyway, Goku will kick Supe's ass. Sure, Superman is one strong ass mofo, but Goku is well...sickeningly powerful. Even when he was fighting Cell it was often stated that he can wipe the planet out with a ki blast, and now he is MUCH stronger. There is also no limit to Goku's power. Every time there's a new oppenent to face, he comes up with a new transformation/power-up. Once Goku is through with him, the S on Supe's chest will stand for S**t Stain.

AltimaDark writes:

Once again, we'll take a look at each contestant's stats and see who'll come out on top.

ORIGIN

-Superman- Sole survivor of the planet Krypton.

-Goku- One of the handful of survivors of the planet Vegita.

ADVANTAGE: Tie.

HERITAGE

-Superman- Kryptonians, known for their advanced science and technology. Will become extinct if/when Superman dies for good.

-Goku- Saiyans, hardened race of warriors who lives for battle. Nearly extinct, but is -very- slowly coming back.

ADVANTAGE: Goku

POWERS

-Superman- Strength, speed, levitation, heat vision, and x-ray vision.

-GOKU- Strength, speed, levitaion, Ki Manipulation, Ki Sense, and the ability to go 'Super Saiyan'.

ADVANTAGE: Goku, barely.

SOURCE OF POWER:

-Superman- Yellow Sunlight.

-Goku- Constant training, along with a Saiyan's natural ability to become stronger after a near-death experience (or even death itself)

WEAKNESSES

-Superman- Kyrptonite, which seems to pop up just about anywhere. Red sunlight.

-Goku- Tail, which has been cut off. Not too bright outside battle.

ADVANTAGE: Goku

DAY JOB

-Superman- Clark Kent, reporter for the Daily Planet.

-Goku- Fighting -is- his day job.

ADVANTAGE: Goku

GREATEST FEAT

-Superman- Came back from near death. Saved the earth.

-Goku- Got killed twice and came back to life twice. Saved the universe.

ADVANTAGE: Goku

FAME

-Superman- Known throughout the world. Household name. In the dictionary.

-Goku- Known throughout Japan. Gaining popularity in the USA.

ADVANTAGE: Superman

OVERALL

Goku. For Superman's sake, I hope this is a -friendly- bout.

Alfred The Wanderer writes:

Although its a close match, I gotta go with Superman on this one:

1- EXPERIENCE: Superman has been doing the whole "superhero" thing for years, and he's been up against every kind of bad guy known to man. Goku has fought a few tough foes (and had a hard time doing it too).

2- POWERS: Super strength, super speed, super reflexes, heat vision, telescopic vison, microscopic vision, breath can freeze people, very fast flight (are there any more?). Goku may have energy blasts that can shatter planets, but Superman can shatter (and move) planets with his bare hands.

3- TACTICS: Superman is an expert at judging his opponent in combat. He'll realise early on that Goku can take what he dishes out and he won't hold back at all. He also skilled at changing his tactics mid-combat. One minute he's going toe to toe with Goku the next he's zipping around at super speed peppering Goku with high speed punches. Goku usually fights a foe, gets his butt kicked, goes away and retrains(which ususally takes forever), letting others do the fighting for him, then comes back. Superman won't give him that chance. Even if Goku goes Super Saiyan he still doesn't stand a chance because Superman NEVER GIVES UP.

The conclusion?: Goku is toast

Dark Ranger X writes:

I really feel sorry for whoever has to write the result to this battle. It's clear as day that the DBZ fanboys will stuff the votes, like the Marvel morons so frequently do. Goku will simply create some new attack called the "Kryptonite Hyper Upper" or something, and Superman will be floored. I voted for Supes, but the DBZ fanboys will ensure he won't win. You just watch...

epicgamesguy writes:

Oh come on. As tough as Superman is, he's no match for Goku. Sure he has his heat vision,. but comapred to the Ki attacks Goku can fire off, sucha s the KamehameHa (Or better yet the CHOU KamehameHa...and then there's the Genki Dama!) Superman wouldn't be able to get close enough to Goku to do him any damage. Also, fast as Superman is, he can't teleport anywhere he's been before at will. Goku can (Instant Transmission. So I don't know the japanese name for this one. Sue me :P )

So we've established that Supes pretty much can't hurt Goku, nor is he faster. Now let's say Goku holds off on using his Ki attacks. He still has Superman out matched. Now I'll assume that in terms of raw strngth, both are pretty much even. But when it coems to skill, I'd saw Goku has Superman outmatched. Supes might have spent his teens and young adulthood learning martials arts, but Goku has the equivelent of almost a 1000 years worth of training in the martials arts becuase of the situations he's been in. No matter what Superman tries to do, Goku will be able to see it coming before and counter it, most likely doing Supes more damage than he WOULD have done to Goku.

Superman to get spanked like...umh...ung...like, someone getting, um...spanked...

o.o;

jesse writes:

First off thanks for using my idea.

Now its gonna be a tough fight but it all comes down to one thing, "ki"; does super man have it? Yup, but does he know how to use it? I don't think so. My man Goku has it and uses it to destroy some of the most powerful villans of all time. Goku can destroy entire galaxies with a flick of his wrist. Just one well executed Kame Hame Ha will have Lois asking the eternal dragon for a new husband.

jesse writes:

First off thanks for using my idea.

Now its gonna be a tough fight but it all comes down to one thing, "ki"; does super man have it? Yup, but does he know how to use it? I don't think so. My man Goku has it and uses it to destroy some of the most powerful villans of all time. Goku can destroy entire galaxies with a flick of his wrist. Just one well executed Kame Hame Ha will have Lois asking the eternal dragon for a new husband.

Edward Norton writes:

Two words:

GENKI DAMA.Formed in Kazahn,nexus of ALL realities,and given Supe´s weakness to magic,it´ll make the Tetsuo fight look like Wesley vs Barney.I hope you have a HUGE insunrance,cause there´ll be nothing left of the Arena once the fight finishes!And please let this last 5 weeks instead of 5 months.

Afgncaap5 writes:

Well, considering how superficially equal both of these guys are at a moments glance, I decided to go with the tried and true "Track Record" approach.

Now, because I'm lazy, I only bothered to look over the referenced previous fights each of these two had (despite the fact that Superman has also appeared in other matches when teams of super powered heroes went head to head). At first, the track record isn't in Supe's favor. However, consider that the match between Thor and Superman was extremely even, and it could have gone either way from any point in the battle. However, if one just looks at the commentary for "Goku Vs. Tetsuo", we see that Goku may well have lost had it not been for the help of several other DBZ characters who showed up (in other words, Goku only got by because his friends interfered for the sake of the Universes). Without such high stakes, it's just Goku all by himself.

Add in the fact that Superman's powers seem to increase in every other issue, not to mention his "Anti-Kryptonite Suit", and it's clear that Goku simply doesn't have the advantage here.

ThreeDark writes:

Right. Ok. I'm not going to debate powers, Not going to say "Oh, but Supes da Man"... well, not is so plain a fashion anyway. Sure, they might be Equal... but they aren't. It's like Quinn said, Kal has THE SERIOUS Advantages here with experience. He's fought more Villians Of The Week(tm) Then GOKU could dream of. NOT to mention the fact that over the course of each of their prospective careers Goku has DIED More times that Kal. That has to say something when you keep having to be resurected from the dead/come back from the dead to save your world. I'm not too exactly sure of Kal's count but I think it stands at One. I'm not a guru of either side... I just think that Kal realy deserves this one. Natch. We shall see.

Doom writes:

I already posted some comments earlier but when I re-read the

starting info I had to change my comments. I thought you were using

current Post Crisis Superman, but after the description you gave I

realised you meant PRE Crisis Superman.

In that case PC Superman wrecks ANY version of Goku. Hell, PC

Superman would wreck the entire DBZ group all together at the same

time.

Let's examine this, shall we?

Energy Blasts:

Goku: Every week he seems to come up with a new energy attack. And

some of them could destroy the planet.

Superman: Heat Vision is pretty much it for Superman.

Conclusion: While it would appear that Goku has the edge here with

his wide range of energy blast, do note. Clarks Heat Vision could be

used on far off planets to melt their polar ice caps.

While Goku's range and power of his energy blasts may cause him to

hurt Superman, Goku has shown a weakness to extreme heat (like Lava)

before. So odds are Superman's heat vision will serve him well here,

not that he needs it.

Flight Speed:

Goku: Takes him a while to fly from place to place. (It took Gohan

and Krillin episodes to fly across Namek, and took Goku the best part

of an episode to fly to a deserted island to fight the androids 19

and 20.) While his Instant Transition let's him get to far off

places, it's too eratic (he needs to know someone where he's going)

to be a factor.

Superman: In his later days, PC Superman was easily flying across the

universe. He flew through entire Galaxies under his own power,

meaning he was flying far faster then light.

One time the Spectre had to stop him from flying because Superman had

gone so fast he had broken all known barriers (sound,light, time) and

was about to break the last barrier. The barrier between life and

death!Superman was flying so fast he was about to fly into Heaven and

bump into God.

Aside from that PC Superman would regularly fly backwards through

time.

Conclusion: Superman BY FAR!!!!!!!!

Superspeed: (As in fighting speed.)

Goku: Can move so fast he appears to disappears. Uses this to great

effect in fights.

Superman: Can do all that and more. He has rebuilt entire cities in

seconds, and once formed formed a plan to transport every living

creature on Earth to another dimension and carried it out in a split

second. Superman's only disadvantage here is he rarely used Super

speed in his fights. (most of his foes didn't have super speed you

see.)

Conclusion: While Goku may dazzle Superman initially with his super

speed, once Clark decides to kick it up a pace, Goku will be left

wondering, which way did he go.

Physical strength:

Goku: When he goes Super Sajin, watch out. He can level mountains with

his punches and at higher levels can hurt practically anyone.

Strength is hard to determine though as he struggled in higher

gravity levels, and had to go SS move around with 40 tons of weights.

Superman: Superman wrote the book on Super-strength. Destroy a

mountain with his punches? Superman could toss a mountain across the

Galaxy with his bare hands.

This guy could toss planets around like they were baseballs. He could

close Earthquakes with his bare hands.

Conclusion: Superman so outclasses Goku in pure strength there is a

danger he might kill him if he hit Goku with one of his better punches.

Well to quote Superman himself on how he'd beat Goku...

"A few of my lightest blows, and this clown will be in napland for

hours."

Durability/Stamina:

Goku: Depends. On some occasions he has stood up to massive punches

and energy blasts. On other occasions swords and iron bars cut him up

pretty bad. Hey Krillin even hurt Goku with a thrown rock once.

Superman: Unless it was Kryptonite or Magical (and usually not even

then.) it wasn't going to hurt him. This guy was INVULNERABLE.

Conclusion: Superman by far. He once withstood a planet sized chunk

of Kryptonite. And that's the stuff that hurts him the most.

Intelligence:

Goku: No two ways about this. He's as dumb as a post. (He refused to

go looking for Dr. Gero when he had access to the Dragon Balls and a

3 year warning?)

Superman: While current Superman is pretty smart, PC Superman was a

Super Genius. He could beat super advanced computers at chess in a

snap. He could learn entire languages from listening to snippets of

dialog. He once beat Captain Thunder by fighting him for a few

minutes, and was able to perfectly predict Thunders next few moves.

Conclusion: Superman after waking up from a 2 week alcoholic bender

would still be smarter then a fresh Goku.

Fighting skills:

Goku: Never gives up with his training. Is always learning and

improving.

Superman: Superman didn't bother learning martial arts. He learnt

SUPER martial arts. However he rarely used it in fights.

Conclusion: Umm this was Gokus best area. And Superman almost out

does him there too. But I'd say for the fight Goku would be the

superior fighter.

Other tricks:

Goku: minor things like being able to sense his opponents power level

and such.

Superman: You'd need a chart to keep track of them. Every time he

needed a new power, Superman seemed to have it. Ranging from X-ray

vision, Frost Breath or super senses to the ability to stop his heart

and restart it at will, invisibility, creating lightning with his

bare hands or being able to rebuild the Great Wall of China with his

eyebeams!

Conclusion: Poor Goku, this isn't going well for him.

Overall conclusion: Just judging by the categories I put up there

(leaving out other categories like villains, fighting experience,

equipment, allies and such) Goku loses 6-2.

Let's face it, Pre Crisis Superman was so powerful they needed Crisis

On Infinite Earths just to depower him.

Current Superman could probably beat Goku up to SS3 (In my honest

opinion of course.)

But Pre Crisis Superman? He'd house any version of Goku. Even the

final SS4 Goku with Dragonballs version from the end of DB:GT with

the rest of his friends helping him out.

And anyone who knows the powers of both combatants will understand

this.

The Four Deadiest Siths Of The Darkside Of The Force writes:

Okay here are the Facts:

Fact 1: Superman has Fought Batman, he won but he was really no match for Batman.

Fact 2: Superman has fought Thor, Thor blew Superman away but still Superman won because of his popularity and for only that reason only. Superman is moral and Thor is a God see the difference!

Fact 3: Superman has face the Hulk in three different matches and each time The Hulk's Unlimited Strength is superior to Superman's Super Strength! However once again Superman Popularity wins!

Fact 4: The Flash is faster than Superman! But yet again Superman's popularity sails him ahead.

Fact 5: Doomsday killed Superman! Popularity resurrected!

It is Superman's Popularity that really prevail in any bout that he goes into nothing else. However this time I believe that Superman is going up against someone not only with Mega power with a better popularity than Superman! So finally Superman can be destroyed! because he sure has made other heroes look bad and Also because I really hate Superman!!!!!!!!!

Blow Superman away Goku!

Abstact writes:

Are you people nuts!!!!!!

There is no possible way the very first friggen superhero could be beaten by a big eyed freak looking for a dragon's balls

Infedels!!!!!!

Abstact writes:

Are you people nuts!!!!!!

There is no possible way the very first friggen superhero could be beaten by a big eyed freak looking for a dragon's balls

Infedels!!!!!!

Sectar writes:

Superman is a legend. He's been around since the 1930s. A hero and role model kids could look up to. Fighting for truth, justice, and the American way. Plain and simple, Superman is the greatest comic book personality EVER. But sadly, not even that can't stand up to the corruption of children. Personally, I don't see the appeal of Dragonsack. I saw one episode and nearly died of boredom. I do believe I lost a few brain cells watching that. But we all know that there are no people more trendy than little kids. They will like what the other kids like just to fit in. Which is sad in my opinion. And which is probably the reason why Superman can't possibly win. Even though he is the better of the two by far. Goku, to me, is just another Pokemon. He will hopefully become boring and unpopular and slowly die out. You see, that type of thing will never happen to Superman. Because he is a legacy. He will always be popular in some form. Personally, I don't see how someone could NOT like Superman. There's just this utter coolness about him. He has charisma, you can't help but like him. He is, and always will be cool. From the Superman comics, to the Superman movies, to Smallville. Supes will always be there to be a good example and someone to look up to. Goku just seems like a guy that can't keep him temper in check. Hopefully, everyone else will see the light and help banish this terrible trend for good. Superman forever!

Ivan writes:

CBUB, you really are a bunch of masochists, aren't you? Have you thought about the repercussions of this match? No, I'm not talking about the "power levels" of the fighters involved. I'm talking about the annoyance levels of the fanboys. Seriously, just sit back after this is all over, and count how many responses have either the words "Pre Crisis" or "Super Saiyan" in them. That's an estimated 104,000 responses just right there. And lets not forget about the DBZ geeks who've actually seen the fansubs. You're going to have to sit through another estimated 4,600 longwinded responses babbling about The Genki Damma on Kaioshin Kai, and the tactical posibilities of the Shunkan Idou. Then we have the Superman fanboys who will no doubt counter with their own citations of twinkery, from the Doomsday fight to Superman's defeat of the evil computer genius Richard Pryor. Another esitmated 91,000 responses right there.

Now me, I voted for Superman. Why, you ask? One word baby: America. This anime fad (and yes, it is a fad) will be over someday, and I don't want my grandchildren looking through the CBUB archives and asking me why I voted against the symbolic embodiment of Truth, Justice, and the American Way in favor of some spiky-haired monkey king wannabe.

bigbobbo writes:

Here's how I see this deul playing out:

Goku and Superman are fighting on some evil planet with gooey geen stuff oozing from volcanos (nothing unusual for Goku). Goku throws a few punches and shhots a few hyperbeams, but Superman is in the lead. Just then, Goku yells out "YOU HAVE NOT YET WITNESSED MY TRUE POWER!" Nothing unusual. Blablabla, the battle drags on for 674.5 episodes in which Goku gets increasingly stronger and so does Superman. Near the end, Goku suddely pulls out a bottle of blode hair dye and does his hair. He immediately becomes superpowered and he takes 6 hours charging up, in which Superman does nothing for some inexplicable reason. Goku then shoots a laser beam the size of a barn silo into Superman. Done. End Of Story.

RedB1 writes:

How in the frickin' hell can the legendary Man of Steel be losing to an overpowered, jerkoff of a monkey? I mean for God's sake, he IS the definite overpowered character. Goku is just a stupider, overstuffed ripoff of him. And besides, he has more strength in him than Goku in any damn one of his Super Saiyan forms.

I say Superman in six seconds, maybe more if he does hold back

Eddie Filth writes:

It's Sai-jin meets Kryptonion in an East vs. West battle. In therms of power alone, both are quite evenly matched. In the end, I see Goku as the victor. His only disadatvantage would that the Genki Dama will have no affect since Superman is of pure heart. However, Goku still has the edge in terms of combat skill. Superman might have some grappling and boxing skill but Goku has a list of the most exotic martial arts he has mastered. There is also a fact that while Superman is busy publishing news articles and attending JLA meetins, Goku ins constantly training and conditioning himself for the next challenge. At the end of the match, I see Goku helping a battered Superman up and shaking hands.

The Destroyer writes:

Superman wins this one, but it won't be an easy win for the American icon. In terms of speed I will give the advantage to Goku. Power I just have to go with Supes on this one. Blasting power without a doubt goes to Kakarot. the only factor that will be the differece maker is the invulnerbility factor. I've seen both take their fair share of mega explosions. I think Superman is going to figure this is a no holds barred fight just like Harley Quinn said and it's over for the Super Sayin.

The Waffle writes:

The first thing that Goku will say will be something like "I dont want to fight him" but if they actually fight then he will win. Remember that even the weaker characters in the DBZ universe can disintegrate planets at will...

Da' Bomb writes:

SuperMan Is DA BOMB here is what will happen, Goku: Where's my balls ?? Superman: DDDIIIIEEEE NUFF' Said Superman WHOOPS Mr. Ballz

Someguy. . . writes:

The WB Supes got KO'd by the Female Furies & only defeated Darkseid by Using His Own Power Against Him (TM), He isn't fit to teach Goku's kid the alphabet. Even against the current less dorky comic book version Goku has a shot, maybe 3-in-7 falls. But against the "planet-crushing. . .faster than light" Superman, aka the pre-Crisis on Infinite Earths Superman, Goku has no chance. The guy is as smart as anyone this side of Reed and Doom and is immune to anything but magic, kryptonite, & red solar energy. And even foes with those forces at their command have fallen to his speed, which on foot rivals and in the air exceeds that of the current Flash, and his kryptonian strength, which allowed him to pummel the Anti-Monitor with a couple of planetoids, a moon, and, finally, a haymaker that not even Galactus would walk away from. Goku has no chance.

Darth Phage writes:

Prepare to meet Doomsday again Superman!!

Hightower Auto. writes:

You people have a great (the bomb) site going on, I am glad to have stumbled across it. First, I must say that I love 'big blue'.I mean, to most villians, Superman is just not the one they want

coming after them (unless of course your plan is to steal his powers)! My brother and I were anticipating this battle between his guy (Goku) versus my guy (Superman.Which is by the way,not my fave character).In all honesty though,I have to give it up to (super saiyan) Goku. Have you seen this guy use 'instant transmission'? For all you supes fans out there that don't know of Goku's abilties and feats, Superman,despite having fought Doomsday and Darkseid (and survived) does not have that ability ,which comes in handy for Goku during a battle.It's not like Goku would really have to rely on this because even if for some odd reason Superman 'maxed-out', for some odd reason on the DBZ cartoon, Goku always survives ANYTHING !!! I even find this strange ,but, Goku's power never fails. I would to have liked to give supes a vote but, 'Kakarot' wins this one (you have to know about Goku 'S' fans to know why).

Protoman writes:

Come on, Goku can breath and Superman will drop dead. Goku mode 3 Super Saiyen only can take on the whole DC Universe including that blue and read spandex freak! And besides Goku's only weakness is food =P Superman.... it's being a dumbass =P

BlackBass writes:

It bothers me to many great depths that that damn dirty ape is winning. Goku doesn't deserve to wipe Supes boots, much less win the match. If above all else, at any point in time, does Superman need to transform to do any of the things that Goku does when he's in his Super Sayanjin modes. Superman can move at the speed of light, lifts tons above his head, and is, by far, greatly intelligent compared to Goku. He can do almost anything Goku can do normally. The only thing that sets them apart is Goku's teleportation, which is negated once he realizes that this ain't DBZ, where he can hone in on ki and get in a cheap shot in the back.

Oh how I wish they never bitched out Piccolo and Kururin just to make those monkies and their half-breed children unbeatable.

Riptor writes:

Goku would wipe the floor with Superman two Kaioken times 20 and a full power kamehamaeha and it's bye bye man of steel

Gen Marv writes:

Superman all the way! Gimme a break this is the man of steel, the worlds greatest superhero up against this pokemon wannabe. Supes takes it to this fool with his all out assault of every super power in the book. long live SUPERMAN!!!

Andy"The Man" Alexis writes:

WHAT ARE YOU PEOPLE THINKING!!!!!!!

Goku got this fight finished faster than you can say "Kame Ha Me Ha!" Goku would whup Supes over 20 times, Goku is better than Superman in so many aspects, just look at the facts........

1) origin: If you havent noticed Goku is kinda a Superman rip-off, but the idea is cranked up from 4 to 999. As they both came from other planets that were destroyed, look at this, Supes was sent by his folks who were so sappy doing it, since they knew the planet was going to blow, but was too dumb to get off themselves (along with the rest of the Kryptonian race). Supes lands on earth, raised by country folk, and LIVES A NORMAL LIFE (with powers on the 'down low' (secret to those folks who dont know what that means))until growing up and becoming a regular ol' joe reporter with a decent salary. Goku on the other hand had a simular opening, but it was for him to DESTROY the planet's inhabitants. And the fact that planet Vegeta vas destroyed, was that it was done at the hands of someone, (who could probhably whup Superman too!) who Goku eventually beats, (and his brother, TWICE!!!) On Earth he was taken in and primarily trained by a KARATE MASTER! And he has been fighting his entire life! And when he get's older, he fights harder, stronger, and packs a punch that'll make Superman wanna get on the first bus back to Smallville.

2) Powers:

Both can do the following: Fly, Break Stuff, shoot beams, And take massive damage, But Goku has it at an extreme level compated to Supes.

Exhibit A:

Superman supposedly flies at the speed of light across the planet, I only seen this in a movie when Lois Lane died and he turned back time. Cool, but not really useful.

Goku can move just as fast to the point of invisibility, and has his INSTANT TRANSMISSION which is even faster (we're taking warp 6 and stuff) and for his time travelling abilities, just a single visit to Capsule Corp., And his problems are solved.

Exhibit B:

Superman can hit someone hard enough to fly through a couple of buildings, big whoop. Wait, that happens to him.....

Goku can knock people through mountains! And when it happens to him, it doesnt even phase him, shoot, even his kids can do the same.....

Superman has X-ray vision, good, if he wants to see if Goku is wearing a pair teddy-bear undrewear he borrowed from his son Gohan, but before he can twitch a chuckle, Goku already has a fist in Superman's abdominal cavity.

Exibit C: Weaknesses

Goku's only real weakness is the well-being of his friends and family, but we all know what happens when you mess with a saiyan's homies.......

Superman's weaknesses: (Yes, more than one!) Kryptonite, Red sunlight (natural OR artificial), and Electrical weopon attacks (at least on the Kids WB show) both can be obtained by Goku by way of his homies at Capule Corp. I guess Goku would have TWO little baggies at his side.....If He REALLY needed them, but not very likely he would.

Exhibit D: Strengths

Superman: the Yellow Sun. Wow, Goku can just blow it up and wish it back later after whuppin Superman. Or he can just grab Supes' punk self by the hand and teleport him (via INSTANT TRANSMISSION) to HELL (or HFIL[Home For Infinite Losers] in America), where there is no sun!

what's this ANOTHER WEAKNESS, too bad Clarkie...

Goku: Magic little beans, but his REAL power comes from within when he's beaten to a pulp by adversaries who'd spank Superman like he stole something. When all hope is supposedly lost, he just kicks it into full gear when in danger, and wipes out these punks, just like he'd do to Superman.

Exhibit E: Beams

Supermans, eye laser could be put to use, to warm up a big ol' bowl of rice for Goku to grub on, but that bowl would be the size of a mid-sized car and Superman would have as much trouble as someone cooking a turkey with a cigarrette lighter.

Goku: Ka Me Ha Me Ha, nuff said. Genki Dama (aka Spirit Bomb) would be over kill.

3) Homies:

Superman Has His Justice League:

Batman/Robin-Dead by a crushed skull from a simple thump from the spiky-haired hero

Wonder Woman- Woo'd by his overall strength and innocence, she'd turn on Superman to get in Goku's orange pants. Her lasso could be used to let him reveal that he IS wearing Teddy-bear underwear and that he's married before he snaps it, and as soon as his wife ChiChi finds out about it, she'd whup Wonder Woman for being the star-spangled hooker she is.

Green lantern- Super Saiyan's Yellow hair And Aura, nuff said.

Flash- Wow, he runs fast.(Notice the sarcasm in my text.) Goku moves faster. Flash is taken out when he uses his speed, and when a fist teleports in fornt of him he runs into it. Face First. Ouch.

Any other members stink to the point that they need not be mentioned.

Goku's homies, the Z fighters. other than Chou-zu and Yamucha, any other z fighter, can fill in for Goku if he falls asleep from the boredom of Superman's futile attacks. And if needed goku can get THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE TO BACK HIM UP!!!! He got connections in the other world, so if he needs pwer of a universally, macrostically powered spirit bomb (which is SUPER overkill, like a 50 megaton nuke on a cockroach) they can get people go to their home worlds across each galaxy in the universe to give their power for it.

4) Clothes:

Tights, and a cape vs. baggy Karate clothes, and boots that can easily be switched with An orange Dickies jumpsuit (with sleeves tucked in) and black Nike Uptowns (Air Force Ones to those who don't know) I know who'd I'd dress like for Halloween. (As a matter of fact I'd wear that to school!)

5) life:

Superman is a reporter making like $100,000 a year and married Lois Lane(In Lois And Clark: the New Adventures of Superman), who he knew since he got a job at the Daily Planet. He lives in a penthouse in the city. And I cannot really recalling him hanging out anywhere else but his 'fortress of solitude' he must do some 'private' things there (hey, did Lex Luthor steal Superman's bottle of lotion?) Good for the run-over-the-mill super hero.

Goku has NO job, but is just living off all the money he won in Teneachi Boudokai(I don't know if that's spelled right...) this is like millions of bucks here. He got this AS A YOUNG MAN before even settling down. He married ChiChi who is an martial artist herself, but is also a devoted housewife and mother and has two kids whose powers exceed that of Superman too, even Goku's grand-daughter Pan could probhably whup him too. So in other words Goku Actually get's some! And he lives in a nice little cottage in the plains where nothing can bother him or interrupt his training. And if he wants to chill, he'd just go to Master Roshi's house, Kame's Lookout (or should I say Dende's)or just tranverse from the living realm to go see King Kai of the North.

6) Death:

Supes did once,(at the hands of a villain) came back and got crappy with that electro garbage and the splitting into two, and re-combining or whatever the hell he did.

Goku died twice saving Earth in the Z series, and both times he sacrificed himself for the planet he loves so dearly.

7) Stuff:

Superman has all his comics that you can get from any comic book store in any small town. Hes about as avialible as Garfield. His toys, wait WHAT HAS SUPES COME OUT WITH LATELY? And his games for Nes Genesis, Snes, and N64, stunk. The only Superman thing I'd want is a blue shirt with that 'S' on it, which I'd give credit for, But someone please tell Shaqille O'Neal so stop sweatin off the "S" before he wears it out.

Goku has ALL KINDS OF STUFF. Toys, Model Replicas, And Most of All, VIDEO GAMES!!!! there are more DB anf DBZ games that you can shake a stick at, and are still in demand today. As of right now, DragonBall GT Final Bout is the #2 ranking game of all time and has been out since 1998! It's only superior is Final Fantasy VII. So Goku racks in WAY more money than Superman ever would.

Supes Movies: 5

DBZ Movies: 13+ the plus is for all the DB movies And the Specials he appeared in.

As my friend Forrest Gump would say, "That's All I Have To Say About That."

Even though this comment was long as hell, I could go on for hours and hours on how much better Goku San (that's his full name, really!)is better ythan Clark Kent. Goku even looks better in a suit, don't believe me? Check out DBZ movie 8 : Brolly the legendary super-saiyajin. Goku pimps that Armani suit, and doesnt even likeit. Oh well, he still looks better than Clark.

SO AS I CLOSE MY SHARE OF THIS DISCUSSION, I'D LIKE TO SAY ONE THING: THE 'S' ON HIS CHEST WILL NOW MEAN 'SORE' SINCE THAT'S THAT HE'LL BE IF GOKU LETS HIM LIVE. If Goku does let him live, Supes better find an actual use for time travel: to stop himself for actually thinking he could challenge Goku.

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Deadeye the Duck writes:

Superman can die from stones and Doomsday... which doesn't make sense to me. Also you never see Superman do any speed fighting like the DBZ characters, so he just lost a big advantage right there. Plus Supermans strength is set, while Goku can be incerased again and again.

Goku dies, gets stronger and comes back to life to kick some ass!

All Goku would have to do to win this fight is to do a sloar flare, and then a sprint bomb or what have you.

If you look at it this is a one sided battle! ^_^ GO GOKU!!!

Batman writes:

If Goku was afraid of a nuclear bomb inside Android 16 then it shows he cant stand with Superman. Goku`s ki shot and kamehameha would be nothin but a sun lamp. And with extreme power Goku can be pulled apart unlike Superman who cant because he is the man of Steel. Also Gokus powers will decrease durning a fight. Superman might get tired but his power will never decrease.

Jim Shooter writes:

Superman is American, Gook'u is a Jap. Americans beat Japs down. Nuff Said.

Travis writes:

If Goku isn't a SuperSajin yet he,s screwed, if he is hes got a chance.

paru writes:

Well i don't like dragonball(anymore) at first i was goign to vote for goku anyway's becuase well everyone fan or not knows draognball is the most outragous over powered show ever made.

but it didn't take too long to even match goku's power and supass it with superman.

Superman may have died and come back but he wins one way or another. lets see goku come back form the dead without his pathetic magic balls or for that matter as a special favor from "this green freak who is the god of earth".

superman can travel in outerspace. Heck one itme superman got really strong that he was a danger to the planet. goku may sense chi or whatever but superman has sense's and powers that are more powerful. with the excepppption of lead but that never stoped him. He's broken the speed of light, created sonic booms eated live gernades... Give him time to learn this chi stuff and goku looks like mr satan. he did come from an adbvacned civilation far beyond anything dragonball can come up with. he's seen Entorpy and even faught doomsday again and won. Even if not stronger then goku he can alway's OUT SMART HIM! superman has fuaght 3 other people form his world before and won. his breath CAN FREEZE! all thsoe powers are NOT dependent on using that chi. hell superman is sitll alive in 1,000,000 AD! alive and kicking.

H. Torrance Griffin writes:

I don't like Goku. I've _never_ likes Goku. The number of people I would prefer to see pound that walking bad-hair-day's face in is without count.

But in all honesty, Kent is paste

Clark Kent's biggest edge is his brains. On terms of overall intelligence, and therefore any contest of wits, he has Goku beat.

Problem is, Goku is a true example of an Idiot Savant. Anything, and I mean quite literally _anything_, related to hand to hand combat or chi techniques this boy can master on sight.

Now let us list Kent's disadvantages:

Ranged Attacks: Supes has Heat Vision, Goku has... (considers the power of a Genki-dama) daaannng!

Speed: Kent is fast, but this guy routinely conducts extended brawls with several opponents at light speed. The Flash _might_ match that, Superman cannot.

Skill: Clark is an above everage self-taught brawler. Goku... makes Lady Shiva look like a newborn infant.

Strength/Resilience: Anything that can level a mountain range is going to put Kent on his arse. Do that to goku and you've gotten his attention.

Sorry Clark, you are officially out of your Weight Class.

HTG

Axis writes:

Superman losing again!!!! He is the archtypical superhero!!! Bloody kids and bloody manga-lets-blow-up-the-universe-every-bloody-episode-to-impress-the-bloody-kids!

Goku_Mizuno writes:

Goku and enemies have enough power to blow up planets, and do so with frequent reqularity. If Goku goes SSJ4, and with his Instant Transmission technique, he will be able to defeat his opponent easily.

Superman may be good, but he was defeated by Doomsday, who, to my knowledge never blew up any planets.

After Superman was killed by Doomsday, it took a logical plot gap the size of Missouri to bring him back to life.

DragonBall Z may be a little out there, but it does NOT have plot gaps that large.

writes:

let me put it this way....superman has been around for how long?...goku is who? a stupid lookin japanese cartoon?...exactly

goku sounds a lot like geek-you

Yogi (PNMB) writes:

At 200 something power level, Muten roshi could destroy the moon.

When Form 2 Freiza fought Piccolo, He was at 1,000,000 PL. That's the power to destroy 5,000 moons.

They DO get more powerful after that, though. How MUCH more powerful?? Why don't we see.

Form 3 Freiza < Piccolo < Form 3 Freiza < Form 4 Freiza (30%) < Goku Not Serious < Goku Kaiou-Ken x10 Form 4 freiza (50%) < Form 4 Freiza (70%)

At this point, Form 4 Freiza (70%) could plow up the planet.

Form 4 Freiza (70%) < Goku Kaiou-Ken x 20 < Form 4 Freiza (100%) < SSJ GOKU (Freiza Saga)

Form 4 Freiza (100%) < Cyborg Freiza < King Kold < SSJ Trunks < SSJ GOKU (Post Yardat)

SSJ Goku (Post Yardat) < SSJ Goku (Three years later) < SSJ Vegeta (Three years later) < Android 18 <= Android 17 < Cell Stage 1 < Android 16 < Cell Stage 2 < Vegeta (Post Training) < Trunks (Post Training) < GOKU (Post Training)

GOKU (Post Training) < Cell Jr. < Perfect Cell (not Full Power) < Gohan (Post Training) < Perfect Cell (Max Power) < Super Perfect Cell < SSJ2 Gohan (Full Power) < SSJ2 GOKU (Buu Era)

SSJ2 Goku (Buu Era) < Majin Vegeta < Fat Buu < SSJ3 GOKU (Final Form)

If you count GT, there's also an SSJ4, which is at least 11x as powerful as SSJ3.

There you have it. Superman doesn't stand much of a chance.

dtrane writes:

Goku, as powerful as he is, does not have access to either kryptonite or magic. Thus, Superman will be victorious. Even if these things did come into play, Superman's ranged attacks could take them away (heat vision, super-breath). By utilizing his super-speed, Superman could easily do several "fly-by" attacks until he had taken Goku down. The Man of Steel will NOT be beaten by some two-bit anime character.

Muramasa writes:

Since no one specified which version of the characters we're using, I'm just going to have to use the most widely known incarnations. Unfortunately for Goku, Superman existed in his Pre-Crisis form longer than his current, weaker form.

In those more innocent, playful times of comics, Superman had the ability to destroy planet Earth by flying into it, could exceed light speed and travel through time, could wipe out a galaxy with a sneeze, create a solar system by hand, and could see and hear anything and everything in the universe down to the microscopic level.

In the end, he always won just for the fact that he was Superman.

Phunnie Bone writes:

In all honesty, I have to go with Superman on this because if for nothing else, the plot of Dragon Ball Z where Goku is concerned is horrid. Absolutely terrible actually. I can break down the plot right now, from series to series.

Bad Guy arrives on planet more powerful than all good guys combined.

Goku takes off to train while other good guys go to fight the minions of said evil Bad Guy.

Good guys fight and attempt to stall Bad Guy until Goku arrives again.

All good guys get either killed or terribly maimed and unable to defend any longer.

Goku finally shows up, in the nick of time, and begins fight with Bad Guy. (Which includes a pre-battle build up of at least three episodes)

Goku fights Bad Guy and gets whooped on a little, resulting in him using his little Kato-ken attack thing where he moves fast.

Bad Guy transforms and persists to whoop Goku the likes of which all the other good guys couldn't have standed a third of.

Goku transforms and beats the snot out of Bad Guy much to the same affect, only a tad less brutal.

Talking ensues as Bad Guy gets strength.

Bad Guy transforms again and beats on Goku.

All good guys make short distraction, resulting in more deaths among them, so Goku can use his Spirit Bomb to kill Bad Guy.

Goku uses Spirit to kill Bad Guy.

Another Bad Guy more powerful than all good guys arrives on planet.....

You know the rest...It's stupid. I have to say that not even the lack of plot prowess involved in Superman is this contrived. But, DBZ is attracts small children like pollen does bees. Anime is young in the states still, and with great shows like Neon Genesis Evangelion, Trigun, and Cowboy Bebop not yet syndicated in the states for young people, or especially having come out a tad later than DBZ, Goku will remain the forefront of all anime characters. For awhile at least.

On to powers, I suppose...

Superman has many, many powers which everyone presumably knows. After all, how can you come to a place called COMIC Universe Battles and not know who Superman is. I'm going to skip Superman for now.

Goku, however, some people may not know. Goku is a little short guy who has died more times than even Superman. What with Raditz, Vegeta, Cell, Majin Boo..hell, the worst thing about Goku is that he can fight while still dead, making him invincible.(Simply because he can't die if he's already dead) Anyway, back on track, this little guy who just loves to get nekkid, has the Kato-ken, which is his superspeed and strength. The Kame-Hame-Ha would be the equivalent of heat vision, or cold breath. His Spirit Bomb would have to be the thing that Superman really can't account for, but it won't hurt him either. The Spirit Bomb destroys all that is evil in nature, and Superman, being the True Blue American that he is, fighting for Truth, Justice, and all that is without a doubt impervious to such an attack. Now, there's always that little matter of Goku being able to go SSj4(Super SaiJin 4), but this is all speculation, which I'll get to later. This would be Supes only problem.

But you'd really have to put a time period on both the people, for they've both undergone massive changes. And as you said, it seems Goku has no power limit, but he has to keep on getting up there. He didn't start with the power level he is now, and so he's had to work up to where he is.

But for now, I'm going with Superman. He's overcome worse things than a 5' 2" Japanese man with stupid hair before.

Braugi writes:

Superman all the way. I've only seen a few episodes of the newer DBZ, but as far as the ones I've seen theres really little contest.

During the Android saga, Vegita was training in an enhanced gravity environment and peaked out at lifting what would be the equivalent of roughly 30 tons. Even though he became more powerful as a Super Saiyan during the Cell Saga, even if it was by a factor of 10, thats still not in the strength class of even the Byrne Man of Steel. Now, as far as the newer DBZ goes, Vegita started out about the same level he was at the end of the Cell-Saga, which is comparable, though less powerful than Goku. Yes, he's more powerful now, but not on Supes' strength level.

As far as speed goes, all the DBZ characters do have super speed and flight, but they're MUCH slower than Supes. After all, Goku's "instant" transmissions only sends him at the speed of light, and that impressed the other characters immensely. Supes may not be able to travel that fast, but he could keep up, and his super speed would be FAR superior to any characters who have that much trouble comprehending the speedo of Goku's instant transmission, so Supes' combat speed is higher.

Take into account Supes' current power up and you've got no contest, if they fought hand to hand at all, Goku would be out before you could say 'Its a bird..Its a plane...'

Echo Garrote writes:

Ooooh...tough call. But as much as I think Supes may put up a long and hard fight. My Otaku loyalties just have to go with Goku. (Although I would be surprised if Tetsuo or Akira showed up to clean both their clocks.)

OTAKU FORCES FOREVER!!

The Dark Lord writes:

What a fight this would be but no matter how strong Superman is there would be NO Contest Goku would kill Superman in a split second, lets face it Goku was probably stronger than him in one of the first sagas so Goku all the way!!

Bluelance writes:

Hmmm... Goku vs. Superman... Now this is a fight.

As a patriotic american I suppose I should side with Superman. However intellect demands that I pick Goku.

Superman's power has been pretty much stagnant his entire life. While admittedly he is a pretty tough guy Goku has had the power to cream him ever since his first visit to King Kaia.

This is how I see the battle going. Superman and Goku both show up and realize that they are both pretty good guys and decide to make it an friendly contest instead of a fight to the death. They start with rock bashing. Supes picks up a boulder and hurtles it in the sky and shatters it with a punch. Goku then uses his trademark Kamehameha to destroy the moon. A little flustered Supes then decides on an arm wrestle. The match goes on at a stalemate until Goku sees a waiter in the distance carrying a tray of food. He uses the Kaioken maneuver, beats superman, and downs all the food in under a second. After all this it is decided on an airborne fight. First person to touch the ground loses. They both take off and start fighting. Superman gets in several good hits as Goku is not used to the fast paced action Superman is. There are usually only a few blows exchanged in a 30 min DBZ show, there are plenty of grunts and eye twitching though. Goku then decides to go SSJ. After doing this the tide turns and Superman is getting creamed. Superman uses his vastly superior